6 inch pots through flower

[bdomina]

who here has flowered in 6" pots ? what was your yield? setting up my first coco run, drip fed. mini SOG 6-8 plants in cab. although i may top them once minimal veg time. just wondering what i can expect. just coming off a decent aerotub harvest. dried for a week , filled 11, 1-2 pint jars. also what would you say the volume is for a 6" x 7.5" deep pots? gal? 1/2 gal?

 

[FreezerBoy]

The smaller the pot, the smaller the roots, the smaller the plant. That said, If you're SOGging, plant number is more important than plant size and the more you can get under the light, the more you'll yield.

 

[bdomina]

in a thread i actually talked to you about before, FB, drbud from the micro grows board pulls around an oz a plant and those are in soda bottles.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=69713&highlight=inch

so given the little extra space that these pots provide (somewhere between .5 to 1 gal) , assuming conditions are optimal and strain is willing, is 1.5 oz per plant far fetched?

 

[freeride high]

from what ive been told you can grow bigger plants in less media with coco.
1.5oz is not far fetched!

 

[MarquisBlack]

If they're round they're probably .6 gallons. You can clear an ounce easy in one of these, given a week or two of veg time.

 

[707Corridor]

I just harvested a crop 3 wks ago of 5 plants in 6" x 7" deep pots. The volume of those is ~1 gallon. I vegged for 4 weeks. The plants finished at about 3ft tall plants. I did 5 plants did a little LST on 4 and left 1 just normal. I got 11z's.It's not a lot, it was not very efficient use of the space I have. That grow is the

Like FreezerBoy said if your SOG'ing plant numbers are little more important. Thats why Ill be going a with more plants but shorter veg time this go around.

 

[bdomina]

Ya it has a lot to do with using the space you have in the best way. If i pulled 11 oz off of 5 plants in this cabinet I would be stoked. right on 707. link me to a grow journal if u start one. would be happy to look in and see what's up. thanks all!!

 

[707Corridor]

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=140197

Thats the link to my current project.

 

[dank.frank]

I personally, wonder why a TRUE SOG is not really carried out any more. A TRUE SOG, is 4 plants per square foot. That is 6" x 6" square pots, they hold between .67-.83 gallons of soil. IT IS COMMON to assume, that Dr. Bud and his 20oz wonder, known as Chesaw, is NOT the average or typical example for a SOG plant. The Dr. has got his system and strain/soil/environment SOOOO dialed in...I DO NOT think those are the most realistic goals for the new grower....it will take the right strain and plenty of learning to get to those goals.
With that being said, I do not think those goals are unreasonable.

Now, then with a SOG style grow, a TRUE SOG, 4 plants per square foot...

I have run 16 plants in a 2x2 chamber, with a 400w, perfect environment, and Co2, in organic soil...

These plants, taken from clone, allowed to stay in the bubble cloner for 3 full weeks, and then given one week of veg to just allow for the roots to get established in the soil...then on to flowering. They are placed in the 6" pots immediately after coming from the cloner, no transplants. Anyway, these plants usually yield anywhere from 7-21g per plant. Anything that I would consider to be high yielding would be above 18g per plant. I would say the AVERAGE yield though, should be around 14g per plant in this type of setup. The plants are going into flower around 8-12" tall, and then finish around 15"-26" depending on the strain and the stretch.

I truly believe that SOG is a very effective way to grow, as long as the individual is not worried about plant counts. It is one of the quickest and easiest ways to grow...not to mention it really allows for a bit of flexibility as far as running different strains...keep in mind, though, you do want to keep as even a canopy as possible....but the ease of taking a few clones and tossing them right into flower IS GREAT.

Other benefits that people DON'T think about when running a SOG garden, is the lack of need for various soil mixes. (for us soil folks) It is nice to go from hyrdo cloner, to a flowering mix, without having to worry about the high N mix for veg growth. Just a bit of high N guano tea during the first couple of weeks to aid the chemical switch and promote growth during the stretch...but that is a piece of cake, compared to keeping two completely different soil mixes around all time.

I personally think, one of the BEST reasons to run a SOG is if you are growing a STRONG sativa dominant plant. Mostly because, you can flower short clones, still get a large enough plant to get a proper yield, BUT, don't have all the worries and concerns about stretch and tying them down and growing into the light...blah, blah...you know the drill.

Anyway... if you are going to run a SOG, then run a SOG. Too many times now, people are running a single cola growth pattern, with say 9 plants in a 3x3 and simply because they did not train the plants and didn't bush them out, they call it a SOG...well, that is not the case. SOG is 4 plants per sqaure foot people....


dank.Frank

 

[rooted]

last year i chopped a 4' cascadia with a 30 gram cola out of a 5.5" pot of coco/perlite

you don't need much of a rootzone if you're growing in coco....the smaller you go, the more often you'll have to feed

 

[*mistress*]

square containers hold more volume than round containers.
filling tote/frame w/ pond liner/tray w/ media holds more volume than square containers.

if remain containers, start flowering when roots have extruded thru drainage holes by 1".
if do bed, start flowering when roots are visibly coming out of totes drilled holes.

mono-cropping (1 strain only). thinned down to 1-4 main leads, depending...

have fun! enjoy your garden!

 

[3dDream]

STRONG sativa dominant plant. Mostly because, you can flower short clones, still get a large enough plant to get a proper yield, BUT, don't have all the worries and concerns about stretch and tying them down and growing into the light...blah, blah...you know the drill.

I am gonna try this in my 'lil setup.

BTW I think that the root ball = flower size is BS in coco. How you feed is the most important thing. The pot size is just a small part of the equation in coco. Soil growers are the ones who have to think by pot size alone.

Not my best grow, but here is a plant grown from seed in a coco. She was first run in a beer cup and later a clone was flowered in a 6" pot.

from seed:


from clone:

 

[dank.frank]

I am PARTIALLY inclined to say that pot size isn't AS MUCH a determining factor, even in soil....

I know...I know...it does make a difference. It does. BUT...much like in Coco, I think it is really the effort and PRECISION of feeding that is more important. I have grown plants that have been 3ft tall and 3 ft wide, root bound as can be...STILL adding new growth, while only stretching at the internodes just slightly more than normal.

Now, I was feeding this plant close to 3x more than any other plant in the same size container, and I was losing a few leaves from the bottom of the plant, which I assume was a result of being root bound...but, the plant was flowered outside, in earth, so I suppose it isn't really fair to make a vegetation comparison to a flowering comparison...so, maybe a bad example...


NOW THEN...this Coco thing is REALLY getting my interest. I need to start looking into this a bit more. Question for all you gurus...

Is it possible to use guanos and other organic additives in combination with coco? I mean, just use it in place of soil...but keep everything else the same??? lol.


dank.Frank

 

[rooted]

frank...

coco is a whole different beast, not meant to be amended like soil.

 

[oldbootz]

hey dank.frank

i use this mix for my plants that go straight from my cloner to 6" pots for flowering

2/6 coco
2/6 perlite
1/6 mushroom compost
1/6 earthworm castings
2 tablespoons lime per gallon of mixed medium
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon of mixed medium

sometimes i add a little peat or extra coco in there to cool down the nutes for more sensitive sativas.

its been working out great for me. but you need to get dialed in with this because if the plant hasn't finished eating the nutes before its ready to harvest then theres no real way to flush the medium of the organic nutes. adjust the mix by adding extra perlite / coco next time round if this is the case, its strain dependant. if you get about 33% of your medium to be coco then you'll get a nice spongy effect in your soil and this is the reason that coco makes such big plants IMO its drainage and cation exchange are superior to soil based mediums.

you can leave out the mushroom compost, add some high P guano, trace element powder and myco innoculation and you're running a better mix than me

 

[dank.frank]

see that is kinda my thoughts...I mean, if you are still using organic materials with Coco, in place of soil, I mean...I don't think my soil mixes are but maybe 40% soil in the first place...the rest is additives and perlite.

The basic idea or concept still seems to be the same, then. Just rather than use soil, use coco for that part of the medium....

BUT...I don't want to hi-jack this thread...the point here is SOG. hehehe. I'll start a new thread over in the growers forums for anyone that wants to continue this line of conversation.

***edit***
HAHAHAHA....I am just realizing this thread IS in the Coco forum...hahahaha. Scratch the above, let's continue the talks...hahaha. (my stoner moment)



dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

I know the next time I do run a SOG, I won't be using even 6" square pots.

I am fully intending to run those Air-cells...made by Super Roots. Won't link it. But they are essentially only .3gal of medium, but are supposed to support the same growth as a standard 1 gal nursery pot. If that is the case, I could pack 25 of these in a 2x2 as opposed to only 16...hahaha. NOW THAT is a serious SOG. (probably a bit TOO many plants...lol)

But I haven't made the decision as to what kind of medium to use in these tiny containers yet. But I keep thinking Coco might be the best option, given the container size and the assumed growth rates. I think these little tiny pots, if able to support the growth rates, might be the next best thing to happen to cannabis SOG gardens. Perhaps it is WAY too little medium in general, but I figure, I could water with Guano teas, and as long as I kept them feed happy, 1gal is 1gal, right?

 

[bdomina]

I know people do grow organic in coco although i have not used organics yet. I would imagine that you just have to watch the CEC of the coco for the nutrients that it absorbs and have a way to accurately supplement it organically with P K and Ca Mg. I would imagine that if you get it dialed in it is phenomenal. thanks for all the interest in this thread . by all means keep it coming if you wish.

right now I have some MP5k flowering in 6" pots, low veg time. feeding Flora Nova and Liquid Kool Bloom, minimal run off which is absorbed back in pots or evaporates by the next day. these are some of the heartiest robust healthy looking plants that I have gotten off this mother, they are loving it in the coco.

 

[*mistress*]

frank...

coco is a whole different beast, not meant to be amended like soil.

by amendments, do you mean perlite, pumice & greensand...

or,

humic acid ore, glacial rock powder, gypsum, & corn gluten meal?

all these added to coco w/ no issues...

only grow 3x3x3+ - 5x5x5+ large bushes to trees... veg in 6" pots in totes until they go into 4, 5 & 10 gal containers.

could easily just keep them in totes, maintain 2" of water in basin & plants' roots grow into solution. no air stone used. just see-saw/agitate solution in totes daily. interesting that if left in 6" containers, will outgrow a plant that has been transplanted into a 5 gal bucket.

the theory that have come to is that the sammler pot allows roots to get to solution 1st, w/out fighting thru coco, perlite, etc...

lesson: add more perlite to coco; as aeration (access to oxygen) is just as influential to roots' expansion as more media to push thru... in small pots, the roots can push out of pots faster... so keeping 1-2" of solution in container would seem to favor small containers...

they have less water-holding capacity, so when roots grow beyond the pot, have solution or more media present for plants to grow into.

enjoy your garden!

enjoy your garden!