ICU - Autoflowering Medicine

[ChynaRyder]

ChynaRyder..I am hoping to get a few hours in Friday..bang any questions in and I will try to answer for you. I should catch up on mails too..pray for connectivity.

Part of the logic that brought me to AF's was the fact ruderalis is listed as having high CBD levels. I have also read reports of high levels of CBD in far east hashplants, somtimes in levels of 50/50 THC/CBD. Did any of this thinking influence your purchase of the LR x Mazaar seeds? (I just finally got through your thread today, and I think that was the origin of the JEM Line) I guess my biggest question for you is that in your study and experience, have you found CBD levels to be as important as I think they may be in pain management? Are you finding any differences in pain relief among the colors? With the AF's, at what tric color do you harvest for best pain supression? I have more questions, but the noggin is a little too fuzzy to think of them now.

 

[mossy]

oldnooby....

That's proof enough for me.

Good enough for me too..I have just seen similar.
Friend's wife has real bad arthritis..tablets all day..sleeping pills for night..
bad prescription drug hangover and the pain through the day made her life not worth living.
Friend was desperate as the doc's just gave higher and higher strength with no effect.
Tried the smoke..(he only allows her 1 per night..0
he rolls her 7 every sunday..
but with just the one per night..she has ditched the sleeping pills..(She uses the smoke to sleep..well)
and some of the day-time pain-killers.
She is over 65 and says it is the most effective pain-killer that she has had in the last 20 years of prescription meds.
Biggest change was in my m8..he is SO damn happy that HE can help her..that I think he will be outgrowing me next season.
It has enabled him to take some of her pain away and he looked as if a great big weight had been lifted off his shoulders.

Did any of this thinking influence your purchase of the LR x Mazaar seeds?

No m8..it was just sheer Desperation...and even 8 weeks is a long time to wait when you are desperate...and I didn't even know if I had selected the ones that would work.
That is why I want the Med Listing done.

I had been using bought bud..but some worked..and some didn't touch it.
So I thought the only way to guarantee it was to grow my own..try to find a one that would work all the time.
I was Scared Wittless about breaking the law..but the alternatives had all been tried.
I spread my first grow with...original LR..3 af crosses..for speed
Afghan..swazi..bubbleicious..long-season girls.
JEM was the first one that hit the spot..pain relief AND energy AND a lifting of the brain fog.
Afghan was a close second..but it is a bit of a sledge hammer/couch lock.

have you found CBD levels to be as important as I think they may be in pain management?

M8..you know this cannot be an Exact science because most of us do not have a way to acurately test for thc/cbn..but all the homework and self testing I have done says..high THC is best for me.
I am going to test next season taking the girls off from 7 weeks to see if I am right.
The reason..
I picked up a med thread that said for best pain-relief in Afghan pick them early..when only 10% of the trics have ambered because that is the highest THC point in her grow cycle.
Following that Certainly seems to work Well for me...
(but I will tell you I have Odd results..could be the condition or the meds.
Indy's are the Best pain-killers for me and Satis are the ones that seem to have least effect.)

Are you finding any differences in pain relief among the colors?

Yup..
pain-killer is different to high...so I will explain it this way.
I am "looking" for
the incense smelling..hippy happy..well feeling..energetic high with mind clearing logical thoughts..
3 hour high..with waves...
and happiness hangover the next morning...
That is MY perfect girl.
(I get couch-lock for free with my disease..energy is a Requirement.)

I am most likely to hit it in the whites..
next the mixed purple
and least the dark purple.

That does not mean that the others are inferior..it means they carry More couch-lock.

Least favourite is the red..I call it racey red..because it is a pulse racer...
the kind where you feel as if you are inside your own body/couch locked..
and your pulse is like a bongo drum in your ears.
The dilation and increased pulse is probably what most of us require..
(Part of my prob is low circulation)
BUT it gives you a passing headache about an hour after consumed.
Not bad..probably no worse than a hot chilli dish..but hey..
if you are tailor making a pain-killing girl..and can afford to be picky..
why go for one that adds a symptom you don't appreciate.

With the AF's, at what tric color do you harvest for best pain supression?

Try harvesting an "8 week" AF from week 7-9..test which is Best for you.
I'm trying earlier next season because I think my extreme heat/sun could be leading to cbn degredation.
I'll share the results with you when I try.

 

[ChynaRyder]

Oldnooby..
My prayers go out to you and your wife. I hope your success only gets better. Thank you for sharing your experience, it helps all to learn.

Mossy...

oldnooby....
Good enough for me too..I have just seen similar.
Friend's wife has real bad arthritis..tablets all day..sleeping pills for night..
bad prescription drug hangover and the pain through the day made her life not worth living. Boy...sounds familiar
Friend was desperate as the doc's just gave higher and higher strength with no effect. I wonder how MANY tell the same tale....prolly Millions
Tried the smoke..(he only allows her 1 per night..0
he rolls her 7 every sunday..
but with just the one per night..she has ditched the sleeping pills..(She uses the smoke to sleep..well)
and some of the day-time pain-killers.
She is over 65 and says it is the most effective pain-killer that she has had in the last 20 years of prescription meds.
I am curious if she has tried concentrates? Maybe some oil in a pill? Tincture in a little spray bottle? Maybe changing the delivery will help them both, and she can eliminate the pills Entirely? The smoke always Helps with the pain, but properly dosed...concentrates can Eliminate it...
Biggest change was in my m8..he is SO damn happy that HE can help her..that I think he will be outgrowing me next season.
It has enabled him to take some of her pain away and he looked as if a great big weight had been lifted off his shoulders.
The Power of Helping others!

No m8..it was just sheer Desperation...and even 8 weeks is a long time to wait when you are desperate...and I didn't even know if I had selected the ones that would work.
Funny how you swerved into the best one first...
That is why I want the Med Listing done.
Me too!!! I think we might have helped Piel already
I had been using bought bud..but some worked..and some didn't touch it.
So I thought the only way to guarantee it was to grow my own..try to find a one that would work all the time.
I was Scared Wittless about breaking the law..but the alternatives had all been tried.
I spread my first grow with...original LR..3 af crosses..for speed
Afghan..swazi..bubbleicious..long-season girls.
JEM was the first one that hit the spot..pain relief AND energy AND a lifting of the brain fog.
Afghan was a close second..but it is a bit of a sledge hammer/couch lock.
All have their place...When a day Needs to end, nice to have a sledgehammer, Eh?

M8..you know this cannot be an Exact science because most of us do not have a way to acurately test for thc/cbn..but all the homework and self testing I have done says..high THC is best for me.
I am going to test next season taking the girls off from 7 weeks to see if I am right. THAT is what pisses me off the most. I am an agronomist by training...Ive seen cutting edge agricultural science...done it. Man, the time and effort that could be saved with access to a proper lab and equipment...How quickly the advances could come...It is a Crime Against Humanity that this research is blocked.
The reason..
I picked up a med thread that said for best pain-relief in Afghan pick them early..when only 10% of the trics have ambered because that is the highest THC point in her grow cycle.
Yup, I have always harvested at the same stage with best results, except for my 'sleeping buds' which I let go to 75% amber.
Following that Certainly seems to work Well for me...
(but I will tell you I have Odd results..could be the condition or the meds.
Indy's are the Best pain-killers for me and Satis are the ones that seem to have least effect.)
Satis help my mood, which trends toward depressive. Late Stage Lyme causes Clinical depression...has to do with the little beasties in the brain. However, satis 90% of the time make my pain worse when smoked, so I need to make salads or dose with an indica some other way. Concentrates of Satis DO help with my pain though, but not as well as indi. Indicas relieve pain when smoked for me, but no where near the level I can attain with concentrates. I tend to get the headachey burned out feel in the afternoons when I smoke, but there is none of that with concentrates. Always wondered about the difference that delivery makes...wonder if it has something to do with carbon monoxide in the smoke making the pain worse....
Yup..
pain-killer is different to high...so I will explain it this way.
I am "looking" for
the incense smelling..hippy happy..well feeling..energetic high with mind clearing logical thoughts..
3 hour high..with waves...
and happiness hangover the next morning...
That is MY perfect girl.
Sounds like MY kinda girl too
(I get couch-lock for free with my disease..energy is a Requirement.)
Amen to that m8
I am most likely to hit it in the whites..
next the mixed purple
and least the dark purple.

That does not mean that the others are inferior..it means they carry More couch-lock. Indeed.

That is the #1 reason I am here. The af's give you the ability to have multiple strains without elaborate grow spaces. This allows us to custom treat our condition through the day. I know I need to treat different things at different times, and I need the different tools. I used to do it with big grows of 12/12 girls...lots a heat and bullshit. I am loving the relaxed grow pace of the autos.

Least favourite is the red..I call it racey red..because it is a pulse racer...
the kind where you feel as if you are inside your own body/couch locked..
and your pulse is like a bongo drum in your ears.
The dilation and increased pulse is probably what most of us require..
(Part of my prob is low circulation)
BUT it gives you a passing headache about an hour after consumed.
Not bad..probably no worse than a hot chilli dish..but hey..
if you are tailor making a pain-killing girl..and can afford to be picky..
why go for one that adds a symptom you don't appreciate.
Yea man

Try harvesting an "8 week" AF from week 7-9..test which is Best for you.
I will be sure to, as I will be harvesting... Many
I'm trying earlier next season because I think my extreme heat/sun could be leading to cbn degredation.
I'll share the results with you when I try.
We eagerly await your results.

Wow, had to do that twice. Had er all posted up and ready, hit the submit reply button....and nothin. Had to log off and back on again and start over Good thing I am flat on my back in bed today.

I hope all that have read this have written their elected officials with Their stories of success with medical cannibis...Mossy I have more questions my friend, but not now...c'ya

 

[mossy]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...,_Is_Sacked_Over_Claims_About_Ecstasy_And_LSD

 

[ChynaRyder]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...,_Is_Sacked_Over_Claims_About_Ecstasy_And_LSD

Cant have em speaking truth now can we? Sounds as if the British government has gotten more rediculus than the americans, if that is possible...

 

[mossy]

Had er all posted up and ready, hit the submit reply button....and nothin. Had to log off and back on again and start over

Aw Fluff..just done exactly the same.
I just answered all your points and it chucked me off...
I'll get back to them as soon as time allows.

Hope your pain eases down soon..have a great weekend m8..

 

[mossy]

Boy...sounds familiar

Yeah m8..speak to anyone with a long term/chronic illness and we all have those kind of symptoms in common...
And you are totally right..there are Millions of US.

THAT is what pisses me off the most. I am an agronomist by training...Ive seen cutting edge agricultural science...done it. Man, the time and effort that could be saved with access to a proper lab and equipment...How quickly the advances could come...It is a Crime Against Humanity that this research is blocked.

Amen Bro..That is why I need the Medical research centre.
Tons of homework and test results say that I am working in the right direction
but it is just hunch..homework...and a Lot of help from my Friends..
The ability to confirm..would move mountains.

Back to friend..

I am curious if she has tried concentrates? Maybe some oil in a pill? Tincture in a little spray bottle? Maybe changing the delivery will help them both, and she can eliminate the pills Entirely? The smoke always Helps with the pain, but properly dosed...concentrates can Eliminate it...

No m8..she hasn't..but when you are feeling better and you post up "how to"
do them..
I am sure she could be persuaded...ha ha..

Thank you for sharing your experience, it helps all to learn.

I couldn't have put it better myself...
when you feel well enough.

That is why I want the Med Listing done.
Me too!!! I think we might have helped Piel already

No WE...YOU might have helped Piel already..
and if you know that you have helped ease his pain..even if it is only temporary..it is a Hell of a feeling.

Afghan was a close second..but it is a bit of a sledge hammer/couch lock.
All have their place...When a day Needs to end, nice to have a sledgehammer, Eh?

I'd never knock them..if that was ALL that was available I'd be using them..
but I would have been couch-locked for 9 years.
That is why I chase the energy giver.
Clarity of thought after so long with a brain filled with pain and no memory retention was a revelation..it gave me Hope..
and without it I don't think I could have got half as far with my research.

Satis help my mood, which trends toward depressive

The other symptom we all share..although your brain beasties probably add even more to your burden.
The first standard treatment for nerve disease like mine is to give you and old fashioned anti-depressant.
I was given amytriptlene..it made me Depressed..
at least it took away my ability to cope with the depression.
It also closed down my viable/working day so much that by tea-time I was no longer there...Zombied.

Always wondered about the difference that delivery makes...wonder if it has something to do with carbon monoxide in the smoke making the pain worse....

Could do..could do..
I have already identified a circulation problem as part cause..that could be adding on.
We are definitely sniffing in the same circles..and I have more info to share on this train of thought..as soon as time allows.

That is the #1 reason I am here. The af's give you the ability to have multiple strains without elaborate grow spaces. This allows us to custom treat our condition through the day. I know I need to treat different things at different times, and I need the different tools. I used to do it with big grows of 12/12 girls...lots a heat and bullshit. I am loving the relaxed grow pace of the autos.

Gotta love them.

We eagerly await your results.

Ha ha..I eagerly await the results from ALL of us...we are all in this together
and together we are Strong.
We will crack it.

If the Doctors cannot help..we need to help ourselves.

 

[ChynaRyder]

I eagerly await the results from ALL of us...we are all in this together
and together we are Strong.
We will crack it.

If the Doctors cannot help..we need to help ourselves.

Yes indeed, my friend. I am eager to expand this discussion, but am a little too muddled right now. Every couple months I gotta do what I call a 'Brain Flush' My speach begins to go first, then my gait starts gettin wierd, among other things. I have found 1 oral antibiotic that seems to clear the beasties from my brain when this happens, and set me straight for a while (use to have to do IV, so glad thats gone). Trouble is, the abx whack me for a few days, hence my mailaise atm. Which leads me to the one question that has been really burning in my brain for a while. Can I dose with enough THC and other cannabinoids to get blood concentrations high enough that the antimicrobial properties begin to kill off my burden? I swear I get some supression of the pathogens with cannabis when I have the supplies to use heavily. But, I am really wondering if you get blood concentrations up to x level, could you eradicate infection??? I know you mentioned yeast at some point, ever get any yeast suppression with canna? I will have to sit down with a Large bag this winter, and do some research

 

[ChynaRyder]

CR: Thanks for the feedback, tincture looks to be just what I need´but next time around I´ll try your recipe... How does your tuíncture efect sleep? I usually toke a last time before going to bed as then I can sleep all night. The tincture I have now only has effect for about 4-5h.

Sorry I missed your post man. I have found that the tincture helps a bit with sleep, but not enough. I always make some 'sleeping buds', allowing a indica dom go to 75% amber trics before harvest, and smoke a couple bongs at bed. Get More restful sleep than with any sleepers I have tried.

 

[Piel]

Next year (I´m an outside grower) I´ll need to led the buds mature a bit more, this year I was a bit overanxious about mold etc and harvested early.

Next year I´m hoping to find a real "painstrain".

As for countries that have legalized medical cannabis I know that Finland has done it but not many prescriptions have been filled do to doctors not knowing when to use herb as a med. I guess a lot of doctors are afraid of being stigmatized as "dealers" as there isn´t a lot of knowledge around as to how cannabis can be used.

I´d like a prescription to make everything legal but which doc to trust?

 

[mossy]

Early and even fairly pronounced deficiency does not always cause distinct or specific symptoms. Common early symptoms are tiredness or a decreased mental work capacity, decreased concentration and decreased memory, irritability and depression.

Sleep disturbances may occur, because B12 may be involved in the regulation of the sleep wake cycle by the pineal gland (through melatonin).[1]

Neurological signs of B12 deficiency, which can occur without anemia, include sensory disturbances due to damage to peripheral nerves caused by demyelination and irreversible nerve cell death. Symptoms include numbness and/or tingling of the extremities, impaired sense of smell, loss of appetite, disturbed coordination and, if not treated in time, an ataxic gait specially in the dark when there is less visual reference,[2] a syndrome known as subacute combined degeneration of spinal cord.

B-12 deficiency can also cause symptoms of mania, psychosis, fatigue, memory impairment, irritability, depression and personality changes.[3][4][5][6]

See how many of those symptoms are Cross Over symptoms with your disease..?
Mine too..when I am ill..the ataxic gait affects me too.
Instead of walking one foot in front of the other..I walk side to side.
Visible sign.

B12 deficiency is Not the be all and end all..it is simply a Visible sign that can be checked out easily without any expensive medical tests.
B12 deficiency interferes with your circulation.
Correct supplementation increases your circulation...getting to the parts the beastie reside in.

 

[mossy]

I was gonna bring you links and explain..but I know if you are ill..you will not read them..so I am going arse side forward on this.

Alternative Treatments



Although physicians practicing integrative/functional medicine try to avoid the use of antibiotic drugs because of their potential side-effects, when it comes to treating Lyme disease they often resort to these medicines. The difference is that they will also use other therapies concurrently in an effort bolster resistance to the infection naturally.



Steven J. Bock, MD speaks about the integrative treatment of Lyme disease in the International Journal of Integrative Medicine (May/June 1999):



"Patients with Lyme disease are placed on a nutritional regimen that includes anti-inflammatory eicosanoids, such as fish oil and borage seed oil. A high potency multivitamin/mineral formula is also used. Since muscle pain and spasm are present in many cases, a calcium/magnesium supplement is usually prescribed. Extra magnesium is recommended if symptoms are predominantly of a fibromyalgia symptoms are secondary to the underlying disease. CoQ10 and other mitochondrial nutrients (e.g., carnitine and lipoic acid) promote energy production. Intravenous nutrients, such as vitamin C and B vitamins, are often utilized for immune function enhancement.



When a patient is placed on antibiotic therapy, it is imperative to give him or her probiotics (e.g., Lactobacillus, acidophilus or bifidum) and Saccharomyces boulardii. this prevents imbalance in the intestinal flora, which could lead to intestinal dysbiosis and/or C.dificile infection.



Chronic candidiasis and intestinal dysbiosis are frequently encountered in the treatment of Lyme patients. In some cases, natural anti-fungal therapy is utilized. Nystatin or fluconazole can also be used. Occasionally, intestinal cleansing is necessary. milk thistle extract can help prevent potential dysfunction of liver enzymes from antibiotic therapy."

Look at the bit I have highlighted...Acetyl-l-Carnitine..WORKS.
Nothing else worked for me in 8 years.
Therapies/tablets/machines.
I was totally sceptical...
I picked my link upon celiac.com in releation to helping nerve damage.
I didn't Believe it..
so I bought it not expecting any results..but it was the Turning Point in my treatment.

I will explain "how and why" when you feel well enough..
but for now..if you can afford some get some..Trust me.

Lipoic Acid 200 mg with Acetyl-L-Carnitine 300 mg.
1 a day.
I got mine from DNAVITAMINS.COM £17.99 FOR 3 MONTHS.
Cheaper in the US.

I HATE the term Miracle Pill..but for me..it is.
It was the Start of my remission.

 

[ChynaRyder]

See how many of those symptoms are Cross Over symptoms with your disease..?
Mine too..when I am ill..the ataxic gait affects me too.
Instead of walking one foot in front of the other..I walk side to side.
Visible sign.

B12 deficiency is Not the be all and end all..it is simply a Visible sign that can be checked out easily without any expensive medical tests.
B12 deficiency interferes with your circulation.
Correct supplementation increases your circulation...getting to the parts the beastie reside in.

Indeed, a lot of the symptome are identical. I have been careful to supplement with b complex, but it may be worth exploring a little further. Thanks for the tip. I am pretty confident that the primary cause of what is affecting me at the moment is CNS infection. The rapid response to a different antibiotic confirms it. That said, being more mindful of B12 levels may reduce the incidence.

(e.g., carnitine and lipoic acid)[/B] promote energy production. Intravenous nutrients, such as vitamin C and B vitamins, are often utilized for immune function enhancement.



When a patient is placed on antibiotic therapy, it is imperative to give him or her probiotics (e.g., Lactobacillus, acidophilus or bifidum) and Saccharomyces boulardii. this prevents imbalance in the intestinal flora, which could lead to intestinal dysbiosis and/or C.dificile infection.



Chronic candidiasis and intestinal dysbiosis are frequently encountered in the treatment of Lyme patients. In some cases, natural anti-fungal therapy is utilized. Nystatin or fluconazole can also be used. Occasionally, intestinal cleansing is necessary. milk thistle extract can help prevent potential dysfunction of liver enzymes from antibiotic therapy.

Yep, I have had success with all of these supplements you indicate, and I take them daily. I actually was treated by Dr. Bock 4 years ago, and he was the one that got me on the program to make the improvements that I have. I may have mislead you a bit, my disease is under control, and I have a good strategy for managing it. Problem is, I have to go through periods of pain like I am now, its just part of managing the illness. The things that I want to explore, and need help with are the benefits that can be obtained with cannabis. Lyme is an inflamitory illness, so recognizing and injesting cannabinoids that have anti-inflamatory properties may be of benefit. I would like to isolate those strains with antiinflamatory properties, breed them into af's and get them out there for people that need them.

I have also read of the antifungal properties of cannabis...certainly of interest in my position with all of the antibiotics I take. Although I drink Kefir every day, and do my best with sugar intake, candida is a constant threat. Can cannabis be used to combat candida? What amounts would one need to injest to have antifungal effects? Would eating it help to control yeast in the gut?

I have also read of the antibioic properties of cannabinoids. Which are they, and what are the levels one has to attain to them to be effective? Would it be possible to undertake a sort of 'Cannabis Chemo' and injest massive amounts to get an antibiotic effect? hmmm...From what I understand, near impossible to overdose...

Another thought I have, is that I use a topical pain reliever cream called Celadrin. This stuff is a cetylated fatty acid that supposedly is able to ferry chemicals associted with it into the joint. In the case of the Celadrin, it is mixed with menthol to provide pain relief. I am curious if you mix hash oil or BHO with this stuff, would it be an effective topical joint cream? Could you use this cream to vector large doses, possibly antibiotic doses, of THC and other cannabinoids into the joint? Hmmm...

I am particularly interested in your colors Mossy. The biological activity of carotenoides and other colorful plant pigments are well known...what is the activity or effect of the various colors...Racy Red...gets your heart pumpin...could this effect be tamed, so that you realized the circulatory benfits...but did not have the overwhelming impact of full on red. Do the other colors have effects? Maybe you are not realizing all of the possible effects cause you smoke the herb...what if you vaped or made tincture? hmmmm...

 

[Piel]

Applying things topically can work but it depends a lot on fat solubility, vector etc. It´s definetly worth a try, the worse that can happen is that you get a local skin irritation. Please inform us of the results!

 

[mossy]

Agghhhh..it has done it to me again.
Everytime I put a long reply in it cuts me off..so I will answer each as I can and save it..then edit in.

The things that I want to explore, and need help with are the benefits that can be obtained with cannabis

Same here m8.
#1...

There is no specific treatment for ataxia, however medicinal marijuana[citation needed] has been known to ease the symptoms associated with ataxia

there is a Start for you...

That said, being more mindful of B12 levels may reduce the incidence.

go straight for b12 in the methylcobalamin form.
I get it from swansons in the US.
I think you will know why..but if not yell and I will explain.
You DO have to lift the Layers..b12 deficiency is a layer.

Problem is, I have to go through periods of pain like I am now, its just part of managing the illness

Me too m8..that is why I said that I have 70% remission.
This is my worst time of the year...and the hardest to stop.
I am having a jag myself ATM..but I think I am almost throught it.
I found I could pin some of it on the massive drops in night temps.
My body functions are so low that I almost close down on a night time in the winter.
I don't know if you were told to check yours..but I can bring you the info if you want it.
Definitely worth trying..my results were Shocking.
I hoped that increasing my circulation with the b12 and Carnitine might be enough to stop it..but it hasn't..although this attack is milder/less debilitating..and I think I am on my way out of it...faster than normal.

candida is a constant threat. Can cannabis be used to combat candida?

Me too..sign of a rundown system..then the candida can take over.
I don't know if the canna has any effect on it..but it could be Part of the reason people get relief.
When I realised it was part of my problem. I cut out the antagonists from my diet then I used Canditox.
It was okay..gave me belly bloat...but definitely helped clear up the symptoms temporarily.
The other tip I picked up..more effective..but less palatable was Castor Oil..spit..spit..spit
I have seen it used as compresses to help AID's patients..a lot of them have candida problems too.
The compresses didn't SEEM to have any effect for me..but oral doses do.
If you google it you find info saying don't ingest..it is an irritant.
But yes..it is an irritant..that is how it works.
It blasts..(literally) everything out of your guts..including the yeast.

Old fashioned remedy..I certainly remeber being dosed upon it as a kid..maybe it is a case of "Granny knows Best" medicine.

The business we had dealt with aromatherapists.
Apparently it works because the molecules in the essential oils are small enough to enter the dermis and from there directly into the bloodstream.
I cannot see why canna would be different...
Menthol would be beneficial in the mix because it is almost a skin irritant..
which would increase the blood supply to the places you rubbed it into...
ensuring a blood supply for the canna prep to get into.
BUT..
what about making a simple prep with a carrier oil..tincture...and a few drops of menthol essential oil..black-pepper essential..or plain chilli oil in.
All should have the same blood stimulating effect.
If you can get thyme or juniper essential oils they are supposed to have anti-inflamatory effect anyway.

Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".

Stopping eating wheat and yeast have the biggest anti-inflamatory effect I have seen.

The Bharaprakasha of about A.D. 1600 described it as antiphlegmatic, digestive, bile affecting, pungent, and astringent, prescribing it to stimulate the appetite, improve digestion, and better the voice. The spectrum of medicinal uses in India covered control of dandruff and relief of headache, mania, insomnia, venereal disease, whooping cough, earaches, and tuberculosis!

 

[mossy]

http://www.candidafree.co.uk/index.html

this is a sponsored site..
But..
it gives a good description of Candida and a symptom checker for anyone who is wondering if they could be affected.
My info says anyone suffering from a long term Chronic illness should check this out.....

Ditto this one.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/temperature/

Ignore the blurb..but read the info on the Temperature checks.
DO THEM.
They cost almost nothing to check.
My research again says that anyone with chronic illness should check.

IF you find that you are showing symptoms..your body systems are running low.
IF you systems are low..it will probably lead to a Worsening of your other/main problem.

"how to" guide

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

 

[mossy]

have you found CBD levels to be as important as I think they may be in pain management?

Cannabis is under clinical investigation to assess its potential for medicinal use, but the question arises as to whether there is any advantage in using cannabis extracts compared with isolated Delta(9)-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta(9)THC), the major psychoactive component. We have compared the effect of a standardized cannabis extract (SCE) with pure Delta(9)THC, at matched concentrations of Delta(9)THC, and also with a Delta(9)THC-free extract (Delta(9)THC-free SCE), using two cannabinoid-sensitive models, a mouse model of multiple sclerosis (MS), and an in-vitro rat brain slice model of epilepsy. Whilst SCE inhibited spasticity in the mouse model of MS to a comparable level, it caused a more rapid onset of muscle relaxation, and a reduction in the time to maximum effect compared with Delta(9)THC alone. The Delta(9)THC-free extract or cannabidiol (CBD) caused no inhibition of spasticity. However, in the in-vitro epilepsy model, in which sustained epileptiform seizures were induced by the muscarinic receptor agonist oxotremorine-M in immature rat piriform cortical brain slices, SCE was a more potent and again more rapidly-acting anticonvulsant than isolated Delta(9)THC, but in this model, the Delta(9)THC-free extract also exhibited anticonvulsant activity. Cannabidiol did not inhibit seizures, nor did it modulate the activity of Delta(9)THC in this model. Therefore, as far as some actions of cannabis were concerned (e.g. antispasticity), Delta(9)THC was the active constituent, which might be modified by the presence of other components. However, for other effects (e.g. anticonvulsant properties) Delta(9)THC, although active, might not be necessary for the observed effect. Above all, these results demonstrated that not all of the therapeutic actions of cannabis herb might be due to the Delta(9)THC content.

The reduction in spasticity associated with THC is probably WHY high THC-ers
work SO well for me.

 

[mossy]

Thought this would help with your methods of delivery question

Maybe you are not realizing all of the possible effects cause you smoke the herb...what if you vaped or made tincture? hmmmm...

RATIONALE. Although smoked marijuana contains at least 60 cannabinoids, Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta(9)-THC) is presumed to be the cannabinoid primarily responsible for many marijuana-related effects, including increased food intake and subjective effects. Yet, there has been no systematic comparison of repeated doses of oral Delta(9)-THC with repeated doses of smoked marijuana in the same individuals. OBJECTIVE. To compare the effects of oral Delta(9)-THC and smoked marijuana in humans under controlled laboratory conditions. METHODS. Eleven healthy research volunteers, who reported smoking an average of six marijuana cigarettes per day, completed an 18-day residential study. Marijuana cigarettes (3.1% Delta(9)-THC, q.i.d.) were smoked or Delta(9)-THC (20 mg, q.i.d.) was taken orally using a staggered, double-blind, double-dummy procedure for three consecutive days. Four days of placebo administration separated each active drug condition. Psychomotor task performance, subjective effects, and food intake were measured throughout the day. RESULTS. Relative to placebo baseline, oral Delta(9)-THC and smoked marijuana produced similar subjective-effect ratings (e.g., "high" and "mellow"), although some effects of smoked marijuana were more pronounced and less prone to the development of tolerance. Additionally, participants reported "negative" subjective effects (e.g., "irritable" and "miserable") during the days after smoking marijuana but not after oral Delta(9)-THC. Both drugs increased food intake for 3 days of drug administration, but had little effect on psychomotor performance. CONCLUSION. These results indicate that the behavioral profile of effects of smoked marijuana (3.1% Delta(9)-THC) is similar to the effects of oral Delta(9)-THC (20 mg), with some subtle differences.

Don't think much of this one though..ha ha

After 10 years of searching, University of Mississippi Professor Mahmoud El Sohly thinks he has a new way to quiet opponents of marijuana as medicine: a pot suppository. Designed to ease post-chemotherapy nausea, among other conditions, its best feature may be what it doesn't do. "There is no high," says Dr. El Sohly.

 

[ChynaRyder]

Wow Mossy, you have me speachless. I have some reading to do, as I want to take advantage of all of the info you just laid out. Fortunately, the cobwebs are begining to clear a bit, and I may comprhend what I read! Thanks for all of the info...I will be reading and digesting for a few days.

 

[mossy]

No prob's me Old Chyna..

Take you time..I know it doesn't sink in for me when I am bad.
I think I have more to answer as soon as I have time.

Check your morning rising temp while you are still ill.
Get an idea if you are being affected by the ambient night temps.

Hope you feel well soon..

http://cannabis.net/refs/index.html

http://cannabis.net/articles/faah.html

The things that I want to explore, and need help with are the benefits that can be obtained with cannabis. Lyme is an inflamitory illness, so recognizing and injesting cannabinoids that have anti-inflamatory properties may be of benefit. I would like to isolate those strains with antiinflamatory properties, breed them into af's and get them out there for people that need them.

Several marijuana constituents, the carboxylic acid metabolites of tetrahydrocannabinol, and synthetic analogs are free of cannabimimetic central nervous system activity, do not produce behavioral changes in humans, and are effective antiinflammatory and analgesic agents.