thanks for the posts guys, but i do have 1 question.. can I veg flat and flower vertical?
Why doesnt everyone do vertical?
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Yeah it's a good idea for less stretchy phenos as vertical vegging plants can struggle for height. If you need to control height tho stick with vert for veg and they'll stay short and bushy but still make rootmass.
agree with you all
also because its a major pain to air-cool vertical lights, also the risk of fire with bare bulbs.
horiz 600 hps or vertical 400 cmh for yield and quality how would they compare?
also because its a major pain to air-cool vertical lights, also the risk of fire with bare bulbs.
horiz 600 hps or vertical 400 cmh for yield and quality how would they compare?
RipVanWeed
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I'm pretty new to this, but I read up a whole lot before starting.
I chose to build a vertical grow
Wait, let me show you
I do not rotate. I train them on to a trellis, and trim the bottom and back of each plant to reduce popcorn/larf.
The 1st grow was in soil. I sensed there was more to be had, so I built up some OBBT buckets. Between the supercharged organics of the buckets, and the aggressive trim/train regime, I doubled the harvest to 1.5lb. 1kw HPS, cooltube, Window A/C in a box.
Super Silver Haze
White Russian
Dabney Blueberry
Group Photo's
Respect,
I chose to build a vertical grow
Wait, let me show you
I do not rotate. I train them on to a trellis, and trim the bottom and back of each plant to reduce popcorn/larf.
The 1st grow was in soil. I sensed there was more to be had, so I built up some OBBT buckets. Between the supercharged organics of the buckets, and the aggressive trim/train regime, I doubled the harvest to 1.5lb. 1kw HPS, cooltube, Window A/C in a box.
Super Silver Haze
White Russian
Dabney Blueberry
Group Photo's
Respect,
thanks for the pics guys 
- how about a few of you starting grow diaries??
so RipVanWeed got about 0.7 g/watt
what yields are the rest of you getting that makes you think vertical is so much better than horizontal?
thanks
V.
- how about a few of you starting grow diaries??so RipVanWeed got about 0.7 g/watt
what yields are the rest of you getting that makes you think vertical is so much better than horizontal?
thanks
V.
Johnpedestrian veg takes as long as you let it this SSH had just over 2 weeks veg
same as this cheese
too long for you?
You're right about the lights tho, a baseball cap will save a lot of blindings but still a pain in the ass when you've got hps retina burn. When the plants are fully grown they block out the light in my grow and I only see them for minutes a day anyway so it's something i can put up with for the increase in yield
you mean like this mango?? this bitch could have used two 1000's top to bottom vertical.
peace
jip
bballsk8er333
Member
lol, thats one ickly plant in the corner
Put a fan underneath the bare bulb, blowing air straight up.
There's always a risk of fire in any room... What if your horizontal grow shoots up too fast and reaches the light? If you don't have a sealed light you'll have a fire problem.
in my experience, factors are always: time, money, knowledge, space, ambition, experience. ive gone from outdoor, to indoor dirt to hydro scrog, to my new love, hydro vscrog. this evolution took a long, long time. in reality, best to me is in efficiency. i seek the highest return for my work, money and effort. vertical imvho has turned out the most efficent resuts for me. remember, humans have been trained to fear the unknown. ive trained my fear to allow an evolution in efficiency. this is my bent of character and not for everyone. ocd can be a gift or a curse for growers, depending on the user, d
Nor'Easter
Member
yeah I am all for numbers too, how much yield per sq ft and/or gpw?
in another conversation, someone told me of another forum that has since been closed, but he said that some guys there were getting 2 pounds from a 600 watt light - which works out as 1.5 grams/watt.
my best yield with my horizontal modular scrog, when i ran a high yielding strain, was 1.6 grams/watt.
light is light, and you can use it efficiently whether it is vertical or horizontal imo - but with vertical it looks to me much more awkward to tend the grow.
i think what is important is that you believe in the grow method that you choose, and that it works for you.
i hope you guys dont mind me discussing this with you - othewise it would just be you vertical guys patting each other on the back lol.
fwiw i think it may have been a mistake to demand a seperate forum for vertical - i think a thread would have been better in the general forum. you seem to have made a bit of a ghetto for yourselves when maybe you should have been putting your grows in the general growing section so more would see it.
perhaps it will gather pace after a while
good luck and respect to you all
V.
my best yield with my horizontal modular scrog, when i ran a high yielding strain, was 1.6 grams/watt.
light is light, and you can use it efficiently whether it is vertical or horizontal imo - but with vertical it looks to me much more awkward to tend the grow.
i think what is important is that you believe in the grow method that you choose, and that it works for you.
i hope you guys dont mind me discussing this with you - othewise it would just be you vertical guys patting each other on the back lol.
fwiw i think it may have been a mistake to demand a seperate forum for vertical - i think a thread would have been better in the general forum. you seem to have made a bit of a ghetto for yourselves when maybe you should have been putting your grows in the general growing section so more would see it.
perhaps it will gather pace after a while
good luck and respect to you all
V.
Noone ever said high yields aren't possible with other methods, a lot of people seem to think it's difficult to get a GPW tho. This way I personally find it very easy.
Modular scrog is surely just as awkward as vertical you have to either move plants out the way to get to the rear ones or reach through underneath no? I just don't like moving flowering plants. Moving plants may not be an issue with a small grow but with large plants in full bloom it's a problem.
It wont be awkward at all with drippers so it's a moot point. Growing is as awkward as you want it to be, there's ways round everything. I personally consider this method much less effort than when I was growing horizontal.
Light is light indeed but light reflected from behind a bulb loses a fair bit of energy.
There's a forum for pretty much everything here VG makes it a lot easier to find what you're looking for (also makes it easier to avoid stuff you don't like, if you catch my drift), this one hasn't been here long. As for it being a ghetto well I don't live here so wouldn't know. I didn't demand anything either and the only person I'm slapping on the back is myself come harvest, thanks
Modular scrog is surely just as awkward as vertical you have to either move plants out the way to get to the rear ones or reach through underneath no? I just don't like moving flowering plants. Moving plants may not be an issue with a small grow but with large plants in full bloom it's a problem.
It wont be awkward at all with drippers so it's a moot point. Growing is as awkward as you want it to be, there's ways round everything. I personally consider this method much less effort than when I was growing horizontal.
Light is light indeed but light reflected from behind a bulb loses a fair bit of energy.
There's a forum for pretty much everything here VG makes it a lot easier to find what you're looking for (also makes it easier to avoid stuff you don't like, if you catch my drift), this one hasn't been here long. As for it being a ghetto well I don't live here so wouldn't know. I didn't demand anything either and the only person I'm slapping on the back is myself come harvest, thanks
odin_
Member
light is light when flat gardens have 100 watts a sq ft - at that high of a level, it probably doesnt matter
what about someone not running that much, that is losing light because it has to travel to the reflector back past the bulb to the plant?
there are other benefits as well besides 360 degrees of light vs 180
temps, square footage etc
i m not knocking any flat gardens, it is all i did for years and i have seen some killer killer producers that way
for myself i get a bigger yield vertical even if it is a bit more work
it will happen sooner than later
hi SuperConductor - nice post!
i have seen claims of 'double your yield by going vertical' quite a few times. i would say it's more to do with the modular scrog method than the vertical
yes but i can see my whole canopy at a glance when i open my cab - and i only have to take one plant out to water the other 3.
what i meant is that the forum is isolated and only the people interested in vertical will visit - whearas if the vertical grows were in the diaries/microgrows with all the rest more people may see them - just my opinion - i think there are too many divisions in the growers forums.
yes - its a nice feeling to think you've grown a plant efficiently all the way to harvest
cheers
V.
i have seen claims of 'double your yield by going vertical' quite a few times. i would say it's more to do with the modular scrog method than the vertical
yes but i can see my whole canopy at a glance when i open my cab - and i only have to take one plant out to water the other 3.
what i meant is that the forum is isolated and only the people interested in vertical will visit - whearas if the vertical grows were in the diaries/microgrows with all the rest more people may see them - just my opinion - i think there are too many divisions in the growers forums.
the only person I'm slapping on the back is myself come harvest, thanks
yes - its a nice feeling to think you've grown a plant efficiently all the way to harvest
cheers
V.
corradogang*
Member
the large amount of plants, nessessary for this set up
S
sinappi
Made the change from horizontal to vertical during weekend
Not ready yet. longer ducting and bigger blower tomorrow and prober shelfs for the plants..Didnt' have all that needed.
Been levelling the plants some more after pics ..just there to give reference
Now bigger plants is the plan
Not ready yet. longer ducting and bigger blower tomorrow and prober shelfs for the plants..Didnt' have all that needed.
Been levelling the plants some more after pics ..just there to give reference
Now bigger plants is the plan
