Selecting the best Hazes from a large population

[indifferent]

I've just moved to Spain and I'm at 36.7N, which is a similar latitude to Santa Cruz, CA the vicinity where Haze originated which is 36.974N. I have the opportunity to grow plants full season in the ground under glass with supplemental lighting so I will be able to mature pure Haze no problem.

I've purchased 250 Original Haze seeds from seedsman and if they are the same stock as last year, it's still Sam's Haze.

I'm going to grow out as many plants as I can germ from those 250 seeds (they must be quite old by now) in the ground under glass, I'll be starting them first week of March and cloning everything.

I've read that only 1 in 20 Hazes is special so I'm expecting to find only a handful of potential breeding plants from those 250 seeds, my question is, what criteria should I be using to determine which may be the keepers?

Of course, I'm going to have to do progeny testing with all the potential keepers to know which are the best breeding plants, but before that I will need to identify those 1 in 20 special plants to form the potential breeding plant group that I will make progeny with.

I would guess that any early flowering plants should be discarded from selection and with males it is a case of looking at their production of glandular trichomes on flower parts and stems, but are there any particular female phenotypes or visual traits I should be looking for when trying to find those 1 in 20 special Hazes?

I'd love to see pics of anyone's keeper Hazes, but only pure Hazes please.

 

[Colina]

There's a project to get exited about!!

Visually, the more potent I have come across are also the more resinous of the population, nothing new there. They also have had resinous stems in veg, but most of the line does.

A couple hundred full size Haze plants is a whole lot of glass my friend - lots of them are likely to be hay. A light dep would drastically reduce the amount of space and time required, something you might want to consider.

With only 250 seeds I might not cull any, but if you need the space these early ones also seem to be linked to a slightly broader leaf, and unfortunately the highest yield of bud too. I have never found exceptional smoke in these early/broads though. It should be noted though that my experience is with seeds from another source, but they came originally from Sam as well.

Hypothetically of course and in my opinion only, if you were to take sprouting these seeds seriously and do so in a temperature controlled room at +/- 30c, and got up say 225 of them. Then culled the 45 (+/- 20%) of the plants with the broadest leaves. Now you are left with 180, if you culled the +/- 25% of those without resinous stalks, that would leave you with 135. Aprox 100 of those will be females and 35 males. If you were to look through these 135 plants, I don't think you would have missed anything worth looking at in the 90 that you culled. At any rate, this is probably how I would go about rifling through large populations of Haze based on experience of growing more than a thousand +/- through maturity over more than a decade.

All the best and right on brother

 

[Highlighter]

Awesome move and project!

Hoping you befriend some of our great spanish brothers- they got some great OT1 Hazes there. :wink:
Can't really give you any guidance, it's going to be a slow process w/ selections, but damn, I wanna tag along! Best wishes!

 

[xpresso_one]

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[Colina]

One in twenty might be worth looking at again. One in a hundred might be worth keeping. One in a thousand might be prepotent and consistenty transfer its desired traits to its offspring. Don't be discouraged, it's worth it!

 

[bigbag]

haze was from san diego(fallbrook)area,not santa cruz.have fun with them!

 

[Colina]

Good night nurse where did you hear that Bigbag? Fallbrook bud is and has always been mostly Mexican/Indica hybrids teehee. Original Haze came out of Santa Cruz, not Fallbrook, not Jamaica, and not from anywhere else - It is a Mexican/Colombian X Southern Indian X Thai, though we'll often see marketing ploys to the contrary.

 

[Grunt]

I'm also am attempting to select a good male from the strain that I'm working with. I can see how growing 500 plants in order to select an appropriate breeding pair is warranted. It will definitely be a slow process. Especially after having worked with mainly cuts for the last 19 yrs. You're on the right track though and I wish you luck in your endevour. I'll be keeping an eye on your task if you plan on keeping us updated with your progress. I was very lucky in recieving some freebie OH x Sk#1 and finding an exceptional female to clone from. These buds if grown till they are showing a majority of amber trichs will cut through just about every other strain that I'm currently growing. No matter how stoned I am, if I smoke some OH x Sk#1 it's like drinking a cup of coffee that will bring me right out of it and allow me to fuction again while still being blazed out. I let if flower for 104 days accidently instead of the recommended 84 days but I'm glad I did cuz I'm really impressed with its strengh and effect. It's one hit shit even for those friends that smoke all day long. Good luck bro. Grunt

 

[englishrick]

wow,,,,,your on fire

i want to have projects in sapin and amsterdam 1 day

 

[indifferent]

There's a project to get exited about!!

Visually, the more potent I have come across are also the more resinous of the population, nothing new there. They also have had resinous stems in veg, but most of the line does.

A couple hundred full size Haze plants is a whole lot of glass my friend - lots of them are likely to be hay. A light dep would drastically reduce the amount of space and time required, something you might want to consider.

With only 250 seeds I might not cull any, but if you need the space these early ones also seem to be linked to a slightly broader leaf, and unfortunately the highest yield of bud too. I have never found exceptional smoke in these early/broads though. It should be noted though that my experience is with seeds from another source, but they came originally from Sam as well.

Hypothetically of course and in my opinion only, if you were to take sprouting these seeds seriously and do so in a temperature controlled room at +/- 30c, and got up say 225 of them. Then culled the 45 (+/- 20%) of the plants with the broadest leaves. Now you are left with 180, if you culled the +/- 25% of those without resinous stalks, that would leave you with 135. Aprox 100 of those will be females and 35 males. If you were to look through these 135 plants, I don't think you would have missed anything worth looking at in the 90 that you culled. At any rate, this is probably how I would go about rifling through large populations of Haze based on experience of growing more than a thousand +/- through maturity over more than a decade.

All the best and right on brother

Excellent bro, this is precisely the kind of info I am looking for. I just happen to have 250 seeds and expect to have a high attrition rate as I'll be culling anything that gives me any reason to cull it, my goal being to get a small number of plants that show promise as breeding individuals, then I will make crosses with the clones of these plants indoors in order to be able to grow them out the following season under glass and assess what traits the Haze parent has passed on.

On the topic of where Haze originates, the Haze Bros worked in Corralitos near Santa Cruz, I've heard this from different sources, never heard any other tales. The first year they grew Mexican and Colombian seeds and hybridised them. The following year they grew out those Mexican x Colombian hybrids and introduced a South Indian male as a pollen source, then the year after that they added a Thai male pollen source. I might have got the order they added the Indian and Thai the wrong way round, but that's how it was done and Haze is a polyhybrid of Mexican, Colombian, South Indian and Thai genes.

 

[BeAn]

Wheres the hazes???

 

[DRorganic]

you might want to keep a few early finishing females to cross with too. i have seen good sativas start out big leafs in the start of growth just end up with skinny leafs at the end with mind blowing potency . so do not cut all your big leaf females thay might be the best ones.

 

[Twoshot]

If I don't find that magical haze in a single pack. What are the chances that something nice will show up in a cross with other strains and in later generations of that cross? Will it just be a hay Haze mix? If i wants to get some Haze i my hybrids, will it be better to cross with O Haze X Skunk instead?

Yes, we need pictures of those 250 O Hazes
It must be harvest time soon?