Seed versions of clone onlys as good as originals or not?

[Nor'Easter]

Trainwreck, cheese, chemdawg (ouch talk about sticker shock!) and so on, I think someone in Canada even has Bubba Kush seeds. Do these produce plants and buds that are similar in all important ways to the originals, or are they inferior? Obviously more variable than the clones, but overall are the best seedlings as good as the best clones?

 

[Sativa_Grows]

Unless it's one of Rez's IBL's (or one of the few other IBL's on the web) you aren't going to get an accurate representation.

 

[Nor'Easter]

funny about arjan!
ok so only IBL's then? The others are not worth it? What besides Rez's gear are IBL's?
NL, Early Pearl, Early Girl, Original Haze, Skunk #1, Afghani #1 and Hindu Kush are the only IBL's I am aware of. know of anywhere that lists the rest?

 

[Tom Hill]

Most all efforts to reproduce elite clones in seed form are gone about by way of selfing or backcrossing procedures. Beyond who's doing what to reproduce said clone in seed from, look at the pedigrees and have an idea of the genetics involved. In my experience, the more desirable traits of Trainwreck, Cheese, and Bubba segregate/are more heterozygous than the Chem/OG Kush/Desiel families. The latter should bring more predictable results regardless of which of the two methods were used. -Tom

 

[oldbootz]

thanks Tom very informative !

 

[Illegal-Seed]

Side by side my greenhouse trainwreck looks like the arcata cut.

As for potency/high...I couldnt tell you. Never had the arcata version.

 

[VanXant]

no..dont hold your breath. No seedmakers can make a seedline representative of a clone. The best they can do is make seeds that dont have the exact phenotype of the elite clones.

just get the clone and you will be as close to what youre looking for, as youll ever be.

 

[Illegal-Seed]

no..dont hold your breath. No seedmakers can make a seedline representative of a clone. The best they can do is make seeds that dont have the exact phenotype of the elite clones.

just get the clone and you will be as close to what youre looking for, as youll ever be.

If I wanted a real trainwreck clone, I would need to travel across the entire US, cross how many borders, and keep it alive somehow...

Not everyone lives in cali and can go to the damn store for clones.

Some of us are still getting arrested for possesing a pot leaf.

 

[Sativa_Grows]

funny about arjan!
ok so only IBL's then? The others are not worth it? What besides Rez's gear are IBL's?
NL, Early Pearl, Early Girl, Original Haze, Skunk #1, Afghani #1 and Hindu Kush are the only IBL's I am aware of. know of anywhere that lists the rest?

Tom's Pine Tar Kush, Deep Chunk, Trainkwreck (private breeder section of seedbay, they dont come around often though), and I do beleive Mosca is a doing a Ciny 99 IBL

 

[Nor'Easter]

yeah got the Deep Chunk, Hill Temple Collective has the Pine Tar Kush I believe, and they or Tom have the Trainwreck too? (edit: ok gotcha, a private breeder on seedbay, thanks) hey good to see you Tom Hill, your posts are always excellent and informative even if I can't always understand them! You obviously know what you are doing and your posts sometimes are geared to others with your vast knowledge which unfortunately I lack. As far as that post that Deep Chunk under 1kw in 64 sq ft area should do well (I remember a certain number of plants and a per plant yield putting the total yield at somewhere near 2 pounds I think), has this been corroborated? Has someone did this and got those results? If so I may give that a try! Are my memories correct that this is also known as Purple Kush? well regardless I look forward to trying this for sure! thanks everyone for starting to make this thread shine, keep it up!

 

[DocLeaf]

Cheese is a true-breeding clone.. it's NOT possible to make feminized seeds from a Cheese clone! If it was possible,, many breeder/people would have done it long time back.

It is possible to feminize a Cheese cross..

Hope this helps

 

[Tom Hill]

Doc, sorry but you lost me there brother. True breeding is by definition homozygous. These are exactly the type of plants that can be selfed with reliable results. While SK1 breeds true, Cheese doesn't breed true for its desirable traits. Cheese is not true breeding, it segregates far more than the likes of Chem/Og/Diesel from what I've seen.

Nor'Easter,

Naw man, folks are scared to venture outside their realm (what, you don't believe me?), come on man, get after it!. I tell you what, you try it (1k over 64 sq ft) with ANY line and if you don't blow the doors off your previous yields you name your price publicly right here and now and I'll likely take that action. -Tom

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

yes......and we do see feminized Cheese from Big Buddha.......presumably a homozygous plant.....

 

[odin_]

Cheese is a true-breeding clone.. it's NOT possible to make feminized seeds from a Cheese clone! If it was possible,, many breeder/people would have done it long time back.

It is possible to feminize a Cheese cross..

Hope this helps

i have seen you say this a few times, but i dont understand how you can say that a skunk#1 is impossible to self

it is always possible to self a cannabis plant

edit: oh didnt see their posts, but there you have it (just as i said in the other thread, it is always possible)

 

[DocLeaf]

Big Buddha's Cheese is a cross between Cheese x Kali.

According to Sam Skunk #1 is true breeding homogeneous line,, Cheese is a clone from that line.

My main point is that 'Cheese' does not self and is sexually stable,, (100s of growers do this clone every week without any seeds),,, whereas OG "Kush", Chemdawg et al. all show abnormal flowers when stressed. So does BigBuddha's Cheese.

Please educate me... I'm confused...

N>B. No hating ,, Big Buddha's a top-chap,, will see him in a few weeks at Expo. His Kali is nicer than Cheese or Big Buddha's Cheese IMO ,, real ganja

 

[englishrick]

id love to know exactly what specific traits buddahs managed to fix into homozygous state....??????

 

[englishrick]

i think dose!,,,you just gota put the specific trait into a homozygous state

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Doc, are you saying that you don't think a person can force a cheese clone to produce stamen? I highly doubt there are any phenos of any strain that are actually resistant to chemical forcing.

 

[ureapwhatusow]

Cheese is a true-breeding clone.. it's NOT possible to make feminized seeds from a Cheese clone! If it was possible,, many breeder/people would have done it long time back.

It is possible to feminize a Cheese cross..

Hope this helps

i grew homegrown fanatseeds cheese cut and out of three germinated seeds one was so spot on the people in my circle who gro and smoke the cut thought it was the cut

 

[englishrick]

combination`s of 2 plants that mixes well creates desired heterozygous states