KUSH? Fill Me In

[DocLeaf]

Cool stuff,, keep it flowing folks

 

[solarz]

doc i saw you mention chat...as well as a few other people on the site, but i've never seen it, or been able to find it anywhere. Could you help ya boy out please? Also, if you don't mind...i have a few questions about your SSHxCheese beans (as far as pheno's to be on the look out for)

solarz

 

[DocLeaf]

doc i saw you mention chat...as well as a few other people on the site, but i've never seen it, or been able to find it anywhere.

Sure The chat-link is in Site Menu scroll/pull down (top green bar left side). The chatroom is cool,, sometimes they type at you in Yanky-lingo .. sometimes takes extra understanding being English,,lol But otherwise they are a really good bunch of ppl :friends:

Also, if you don't mind...i have a few questions about your SSHxCheese beans (as far as pheno's to be on the look out for)

Nah mind,,, Cheese x SSH (the female is always listed first) is from [So7omon Seeds]. This isn't the place to discuss this,, so either pm me for info. ,, or please check out the Cheese x SSH grows in growers forums and ask questions there (and then send me a link)

Hope this helps

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

I wrote thris in another thread.
The truly funny thing is what we think of and call "Indica" is really C. Afghanica. C. Indica is supposed to refer to Indian cannabis, and the confusion lies in the Hindu Kush mountain range in between the two countries. Kush weed is a hybrid of Afghanica, and Indica through open pollination. Here are the four categories as listed in the book Hemp Diseases and Pests, by McPartland, Clarke, and Watson:
1. Cannabis sativa: over three meters (9ft) tall
2. Cannabis indica: one and a half to three meters (4-9ft) tall
3. Cannabis afghanica: under one and a half meters tall
4. Cannabis ruderalis: half a meter tall and autoflowering.
The afghanica dominant plants are very small, and have fat leaves,fat stems, and have very fat,greasy nuggets. Where as the indica dominant stretch, and has thin leaves,thin stem, small nuggets, and that amazing "Kush" flavor.


Mazar-i-Sharif is an Afghanistan cultivar. Mazar-i-sharif is a millenia old city that is known for its hash trade. Since, its a trade center various seedstock has been intermixed to produce this heterogenous hashplant. There are going to be different phenos present in this age old cultivar so it can survive weather conditons. For example one year it rains alot, and those phenos that can take high irrigation produce great, where as the pheno that require little irrigation drown. The next year is dry ,and then we see an inverse. The high irrigation pheno produces little, and the low irrigation pheno has a stellar season. what I'm saying with MIS is it all depends on the pheno you get(more afghanica, more indica or as we normally say more "indica" , more "sativa") on the length of flower,size of nuggets, buzz, and taste.

Does the naming of 2] and 3] add to the confusion ?

2. Cannabis indica: one and a half to three meters (4-9ft) tall
3. Cannabis afghanica: under one and a half meters tall​

2.Cannabis indica... "Afghani"
3. Cannabis afghanica.... "Hindu Kush"

Afghans, which grow broader, wider and greener, what i n i call 'Pashtun' .. Afghan is also usually more resinous and oily with a hashy flavour, and smells more like something died in the grow room IME,,,

The Kush are more subtle overall in growth and flavour, fragrant with under-tones of bergamot, cinnamon, cardamons and cloves,, a much more sociable smoke

quoting Clarkes Hashish.. Height, under 1.5M, Hindu Kush [Area 8 Kandahar]

Marijuana Growers Insiders Guide by Mel Franks 1988, Red Eye Press..........Kush generally are slightly taller than Afghani

ARRRGH.... just when it was all becoming a little clearer !

I am not sure if Mel is wrong, with all due respect, summarising the above, as I understand it now ....to generalise, Hindu Kush [c.afghanica] is short in height and less flavoursome and Afghan [c.indica] is taller and stinkier...

Obviously local populations will grow very differently from one side of any particular hill to another as populations naturally breed themselves into better adapted plants for their own microenvironment, let alone neighbours from nearby areas.

 

[englishrick]

from Clarke´s Hashish!

@ Raco ,,,,,,,,,,,,

the Clarke reference was needed!,,,,,

imo,,,,,,,Clarke`s books are the best source of Kush info on the planet,,,

 

[Raco]

The arrows mean trade routes,but...why not good genetics as well ( besides of charas and hash)?
The mazari cultivars seem to be more on the uzbeki afghan side,while varieties such as Deep Chunk match Clarke´s description of Hindu Kush plants IMO

 

[Zeinth]

nice..

nice..

heres my cross..chem-d x sfv og x pre98 bubba..

KUSH....?

 

[Raco]

KUSH....?

no,
polihybrid

 

[burningfire]

Does the naming of 2] and 3] add to the confusion ?

2. Cannabis indica: one and a half to three meters (4-9ft) tall
3. Cannabis afghanica: under one and a half meters tall​

2.Cannabis indica... "Afghani"
3. Cannabis afghanica.... "Hindu Kush"








ARRRGH.... just when it was all becoming a little clearer !

I am not sure if Mel is wrong, with all due respect, summarising the above, as I understand it now ....to generalise, Hindu Kush [c.afghanica] is short in height and less flavoursome and Afghan [c.indica] is taller and stinkier...

Obviously local populations will grow very differently from one side of any particular hill to another as populations naturally breed themselves into better adapted plants for their own microenvironment, let alone neighbours from nearby areas.

nah , I think you got it the other way around, afghani ( afghanica ) has broader leaves shorter stature, hindu kush is taller with narrower leaves... think pakistani and north indian plants.. as well as some nepalese plants would fall in this category.

 

[englishrick]

Hope this helps...

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hay doc,,,,i dont want to sound mad,,,,but,,,,,,,,,,this pic is incredible!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,i think this could well be THE best picture ive ever seen from you ,,,,,,an its got good competition,,,,,,,,,, this is 1 gives me a special feelin!
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[RollmeoneKenobi]

Does the naming of 2] and 3] add to the confusion ?

2. Cannabis indica: one and a half to three meters (4-9ft) tall
3. Cannabis afghanica: under one and a half meters tall​

2.Cannabis indica... "Afghani"
3. Cannabis afghanica.... "Hindu Kush"








ARRRGH.... just when it was all becoming a little clearer !

I am not sure if Mel is wrong, with all due respect, summarising the above, as I understand it now ....to generalise, Hindu Kush [c.afghanica] is short in height and less flavoursome and Afghan [c.indica] is taller and stinkier...

Obviously local populations will grow very differently from one side of any particular hill to another as populations naturally breed themselves into better adapted plants for their own microenvironment, let alone neighbours from nearby areas.

The confusion isn't in us, but in the original breeders who bred the strains. They got afghanica seeds thinking they were from India, hence what we call 'indica' is actually afghanica. Knowing this what I would call a 'Hindu Kush' others would say it is too sativa to be kush. I'd say Afghani 'hash plant' , the rest would say 'kush', get it? Hope this helps.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

nah , I think you got it the other way around, afghani ( afghanica ) has broader leaves shorter stature, hindu kush is taller with narrower leaves... think pakistani and north indian plants.. as well as some nepalese plants would fall in this category.

I know the Nepalese Sativas add confusion to all this, as do the inconveniently fluid borders and clandestine nature of our hobby...... but Mel Franks saying names are "Interchangeable" may be the key. From what [little] I understand, there is no definitive or distinctive border between the genetics of Hindu Kush mountain MJ and that from the rest of Afghanistan and the countries bordering it.

Leaving Indian/Paki/Nep plants out of it for a minute, to generalise, Hindu Kush varieties do seem to be reported as the short squat woody-spicy flavoured plants of medium potency, whereas those from the other half of Afghanistan are generally taller and higher average potency.

The confusion isn't in us, but in the original breeders who bred the strains. They got afghanica seeds thinking they were from India, hence what we call 'indica' is actually afghanica. Knowing this what I would call a 'Hindu Kush' others would say it is too sativa to be kush. I'd say Afghani 'hash plant' , the rest would say 'kush', get it? Hope this helps.

Yes RollmeoneKenobi, it seems various breeders have added to the naming confusion, we would be here forevermore trying to unravel the truth from them !

Very interesting thread, thanks all.

 

[burningfire]

I know the Nepalese Sativas add confusion to all this, as do the inconveniently fluid borders and clandestine nature of our hobby...... but Mel Franks saying names are "Interchangeable" may be the key. From what [little] I understand, there is no definitive or distinctive border between the genetics of Hindu Kush mountain MJ and that from the rest of Afghanistan and the countries bordering it.

Leaving Indian/Paki/Nep plants out of it for a minute, to generalise, Hindu Kush varieties do seem to be reported as the short squat woody-spicy flavoured plants of medium potency, whereas those from the other half of Afghanistan are generally taller and higher average potency.

I don't know about the kush plants being lower potency than the rest of the plants in afghanistan, I think generally they are higher in potency than the typical afghan plant, what makes it's way to the western world from afghanistan is usually potent plants with a lot of presence but compared to pakistani or indian I find them to be lower in potency, more sedative but less psychoactive. To be honest typical afghan plant doesn't mean anything, most people when talking about afghans are reminded of the short ( shorter than kush ) greasy , acrid or funky cabbage bud, this is only one example of the genetics available in afghanistan, RSC is offering a really tall sativa-esque Mazar-I-sharif but unmistakably Indica in nature , most smokers would never believe the plant was from afghanistan.

just my opinion.

 

[DocLeaf]

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hay doc,,,,i dont want to sound mad,,,,but,,,,,,,,,,this pic is incredible!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,i think this could well be THE best picture ive ever seen from you ,,,,,,an its got good competition,,,,,,,,,, this is 1 gives me a special feelin!
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rick you are mad (bless up , some of us have to be!).. but that's not the epitome of Kush as far as we are concerned,, ! that bud ranked 4th in the LGA Cannabis Cup ,, (mainly on colour and taste),, but still we are sure that their are MUCH finer , genuine, real Kush examples out there to be smoked down!

IMO,, Master Kush is perhaps getting close to it in profile,, in some specimens.. but the 'Afghan' thing still persists overall.

real Kush is almost the forbidden fruits of labour,, cant quite describe it!

last time we smoked anything like it was with LLP,, Purple Kush,, jah praise bless

 

[englishrick]

its got the purple tint,,,,,,,,,i love it just on looks doc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,an it looks like it has them funny indica stackable calax shapes too,,,4th place is well deserved imo,,,colour is all part of my smoking experence,,,,,,,

i can see how peeps would think its a sativa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it looks like the sativa side,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but my experence tells me its a indica with a funny strech

i like it doc...,,,that purple tint is amazing

 

[Raco]

charlie´s Purple Chitral Kush

 

[burningfire]

here's two pics of my nepalese indica.. we had a horrible summer and fall.. rainy and cold, I took it a bit early, it could have gone 2 weeks longer.

this is a shot of a cola that wasn't that full, I've got a few fuller colas but didn't bother taking a picture..

it was about 1.70m tall, I topped it twice, so it might have hit 2m.. I don't know.

it had a woodsy peppery smell while growing, smelling like aged cheese about 5 to 6 weeks in, drying it had a very weird smell.. it was acrid and you could smell the camphor, something salty and peppery.. but it reminded me of a used cat litter... that acrid smell with.. whatever the substrate they use is.. a mineral spicey smell.. the high is quite heady, illuminating, blissed out and relaxing with excellent duration, I'll write a real report once it's cured, it's still in paper bags. I've kept a clone but I don't know if it'll survive , I had trouble with the temperature, I've got plenty of seeds left anyway.





pretty shitty pics because icmag limits them to 100k, but I've posted them somewhere else, if you know rsc you should be able to find them.


but back to the kush thing.. I really don't like to use the word kush because it's simply not descriptive... everyone has a different definition of what kush is... even Indica vs sativa, if there's a tiny bit of stretch people will call it sativa.

 

[burningfire]

here's one from October 2nd, it started flowering in late august, the first frost hit on october 14th and it soared through that staying perky , but 2 days of frost made it wilt, it was recuperating but weather forecast wasn't looking great so I took it down on the 16th.


october 2





october 11







I think the whole, indica / sativa thing needs a overhaul, I know plenty of people have started using NLD - WLD as a subset to indica to describe drug type cannabis.


or Afghanica, Kafiristanica, indica, sativa..

 

[hulkbogan]

Pre 98 Bubba x Titanium (Fucking incredible x kush)

another pheno

Another polyhybrid but when the offspring are better than either parent who cares?

 

[hulkbogan]

more KUSH!