Cannabis is getting taxed. Deal with it.

[SeniorBuzz]

Who gets to decide what constitutes "more" than is needed?
The Patient, the farmer, the collective manager?
Who besides the individual patient is best able to know how much is "more" than is needed ?

we. the collective members, get to decide.

 

[Owl Mirror]

we. the collective members, get to decide.

Will you next decide if a member should be allowed to get an operation, take other medications, marry someone of another race, have a child?

Why do you decide who gets how much medicine?
Am I to understand if I were a part of your collective and I ran out of meds that relieve the extreme nerve pain I suffer from, you would make me go without for a week or more?

Who gave you the right to play GOD?

 

[SeniorBuzz]

Will you next decide if a member should be allowed to get an operation, take other medications, marry someone of another race, have a child?

Why do you decide who gets how much medicine?
Am I to understand if I were a part of your collective and I ran out of meds that relieve the extreme nerve pain I suffer from, you would make me go without for a week or more?

Who gave you the right to play GOD?

lol...OM...get over yourself; our collective doesn't yet exist, and already you are attempting to create theoretical problems that don't exist. We won't overlook anything, so rest assured, all bases will be covered, and the books (database) will always be available

 

[ureapwhatusow]

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Thomas Jefferson

 

[SeniorBuzz]

Will you next decide if a member should be allowed to get an operation, take other medications, marry someone of another race, have a child?

Why do you decide who gets how much medicine?
Am I to understand if I were a part of your collective and I ran out of meds that relieve the extreme nerve pain I suffer from, you would make me go without for a week or more?

Who gave you the right to play GOD?

just how extreme is that nerve pain you experience OM, and what is it caused from, and what do you do personally to deal with it??

 

[nephilthim]

YOU have prop 215...everyone else is getting arrested while your floating around in la la land....great....
can you say selfish?
i choose the path of least resistance to legalization and that is its going to be taxed...
of course i'd love to see a huge market that affects everyone be untaxed....and your right, the govt has done so much wrong when it comes to mj that they should be forced out of the loop for being so against it when citizens want it and need it so badly...
but to think that tax-free is a reality?...that if we wait long enough we can move mj into mainstream america without the corporations getting their hands on it? without tax? your dreaming! time to wake up!
sales tax is on EVERYTHING....including mj..

tax is better than jail. period.

lala land I voted for prop 215 ,and if you are in cal without a card and get arrested,I can't say I feel any guilt for your plight,selfish for disliking taxes and goverment hardly,I have my reasons people in jail are not going to persuade me to vote for any taxation measure. Ill be awake enough when someone asks me to put a signature to any of this crap on the ballot. I will vote no if this makes
the voters guide which is unlikely,seriously as i alluded before this legislation is doomed if you can't even garner a simple majority on a cannabis friendly site
such as here.

 

[nephilthim]

just how extreme is that nerve pain you experience OM, and what is it caused from, and what do you do personally to deal with it??

asking someone about their private medical condition in an open forum is rude,boorish ,obnoxious,common,and any other apprepo adjective.If you want to inquire p.m. someone. I wouldn't as pain is subjective to the individual,and is their purview to discuss of their own volition not the prompting of others.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

asking someone about their private medical condition in an open forum is rude,boorish ,obnoxious,common,and any other apprepo adjective.If you want to inquire p.m. someone. I wouldn't as pain is subjective to the individual,and is their purview to discuss of their own volition not the prompting of others.

thanks for your two cents nil; I just wanted to hear how bad OM's pain is. so I could compare it to my own.

Of course to put this back on topic; it will be our pleasure to pay tax on everything dispensed.

 

[Kiffen]

corporate america gets what corporate america wants, if you oppose it you may just be crushed under the turning wheels of greed...

How cowardly of you.

We have gotten this far, and you want to give in?

You have the nerve to hate on the California residents that got 215 to pass, allowing medical cannabis, which apparently your states residents have failed to do (including yourself). You want to tell us about the path of least resistance? Looks like you have tried that route and failed. You have had since 1996......What have you done to change these laws? You want it easy? You have had it easy.

Selfish? We did the work and got it done. You have to work to get what you want.

Relax and let Californians do the heavy lifting, notice there is no tax talk in Prop 215? We live in a heavily taxed state, everything is overpriced and we have something around 17% unemployment here at the moment. That $50 dollar a oz. tax could cover at least another job at each shop instead of being wasted by the state. Think about that reality. Allow adult use and jobs WILL be created on a level not seen since the late 90s.

The Government is not your boss, God, or overlord. We have agreed upon rules to live by, and the people can change them over time. We are citizens not subjects.

Let me explain something to all the Americans here: Without the passage of Prop. 215 and all the fighting that California residents have done; The MJ/MMJ issue on a Federal level as well as state to state would be in a much weaker position today.

You can thank one of the writers of 215, Dennis Peron for many of the current advancements we have had in California. Dennis had the First club in SF and did battle with the DEA many times. Dennis knows this potential taxation is immoral and was fired from Oaksterdam university for letting his position be known. Gee let me think, Oaksterdam, Richard Lee, Taxes, firing Peron as a warning to others they do business with.... Greed.....

Embrace the fact that it can be done and jump in the fight.

 

[Pythagllio]

in the model grow dispensary with limited member patient members, medication will be limited on a per month basis. they will not be able to buy "more" than is needed.

Good start, but how do you keep your patients from joining more than one collective? I can't get an Oxy prescription from a doctor, take it to one pharmacy and get it filled, then take it to another and repeat, but I can do that all day long with cannabis providers and a doctor's rec. I recall one day in 2007 when I visited 3 of the 4 dispensaries in Oakland and bought my 'limit' at each.

Don't forget reserves for future expenses. It's markup but it isn't profit, you set the money aside, 'reserved' for certain expenses like buying more equipment, lawyer's fees, etc. But these expenses will come along, and the whole thing could blow up if you don't have the resources to deal with them when they do.

 

[Kiffen]

All of you anti taxation radicals starting threads in this forum. You are under serious illusions to think cannabis won't be taxed like alcohol or cigarettes.

Honestly, you guys are a bunch of a weirdos. You're like embarrassing (and unfortunately loud) family members that we will never be able to get rid of.

You freakos are IMO, one of the reasons why this drug is still illegal. Because when weirdos have an opinion about something, it's the natural reaction of normal people to either ignore what they are saying or to become an opponent there of.

Isolate and ridicule hmmmmm...... why does this feel so familiar?

 

[anikas88]

Yeah as i said before, prop 215 is better than this bill, everyone in cali is eligible for their medical card!!! defend prop 215 and have sb420 thrown out!

 

[Pistil_Party09]

if there was a voter initiative similar to prop 215 in my state i would have voted for it...and if theres going to be one i'll be in line to vote for sure....you are one person, dont speak for an entire state...
you didnt write prop 215...you just voted for it. which is exactly what i would have done given the chance...
so dont say its my fault there isnt medical in my state..
i e-mail my congressmen and continue to do so...
im not hatin on cali...im just saying the only reason you want to wait for a tax-free iniative
is because in the mean time you've got prop 215 to ride on...
everyone else wants to move forward towards full legalization and if that means working out some minor issues with tax then so be it.

there has for be a financial benefit for ANYTHING to function in government, so tax away... just not the shit in my closets...

I changed my mind and voted 'tax'. I definitely prefer to see that we make progress rather than shoot ourselves in the foot over some misplaced dogma.

If i buy a pack of joints at 7-11, then I don't mind paying taxes...or taxing the profits of said company making the joints for 7-11.
If I grow my own...no tax. Just like I don't pay taxes for my orange tree.

 

[Kiffen]

working out some minor issues with tax then so be it.

I feel like Joe Biden might have a account here.

This is about principle. Its not minor, have you ever lost your freedom for this plant or seeds? Know anyone that has? Really know them; not a story online. Even care about anything but your ability to easily purchase?

Look at all the great American breeders who had to flee to run their businesses. What a National embarrassment this is, we are the temple of capitalism and our people have to flee to Europe to engage in it, all because the people of the US are too lazy or scared to stand up to a fraudulent set of laws.

You can do allot more than phone calls, and form letters. There are plenty of organizations you can join, or create one your self. The more involed you get, the more you will see that this is absolutley unacceptable.

I think at this point if your pro-sin tax your basically living up the lazy non-thinking stoner stereotype. There is a place for that and its not in front of a bullhorn.

Those of you that don't want to get involved for real, but are willing to sit on the side lines and pout about the game; your fans and that's fine. All we ask as the people who are actually moving the ball down the field is that you Cheer, wave flags, and have some fucking faith.

We can win without compromise on this issue.

 

[turbolaser4528]

I feel like Joe Biden might have a account here.

This is about principle. Its not minor, have you ever lost your freedom for this plant or seeds? Know anyone that has? Really know them; not a story online. Even care about anything but your ability to easily purchase?

Look at all the great American breeders who had to flee to run their businesses. What a National embarrassment this is, we are the temple of capitalism and our people have to flee to Europe to engage in it, all because the people of the US are too lazy or scared to stand up to a fraudulent set of laws.

You can do allot more than phone calls, and form letters. There are plenty of organizations you can join, or create one your self. The more involed you get, the more you will see that this is absolutley unacceptable.

I think at this point if your pro-sin tax your basically living up the lazy non-thinking stoner stereotype. There is a place for that and its not in front of a bullhorn.

Those of you that don't want to get involved for real, but are willing to sit on the side lines and pout about the game; your fans and that's fine. All we ask as the people who are actually moving the ball down the field is that you Cheer, wave flags, and have some fucking faith.

We can win without compromise on this issue.

word bro, we don't need the fans approval for now, we do our thing, win them over, and the rest tumbles like domino's. just a matter of time b4 the fans bumrush the field know what i mean?

 

[David420]

so doctors circumvent prescribing still need to give recommendations for people to get medical marijuana

prescription status is in flux cause of liability with the feds

if the doctors didn't stand to lose a license do you think its over the counter?

Do you deny it has medicinal purpose?

should people who need it for medical purposes such as cancer patients pay tax on this medicine opposed to the others they take?

I was simply stating what federal law is. Anyways no I don't believe dispensary sales are over the counter. No dispensary will just give you marijuana without making sure your doctors recommendation is legit first. If they didn't check that at all then it would be. No I don't deny it's medical purpose. No I don't think those who really need marijuana to have a better quality of life should have to pay a tax on it. Those people deserve it for free, but since it can't be free. I think they should be able to pay less for their medicine than the recreational users. It's cruel enough with what the pharmaceutical company's charge those poor people for a small bottle of pills now a days.

 

[Pythagllio]

Its not minor, have you ever lost your freedom for this plant or seeds? Know anyone that has? Really know them; not a story online. Even care about anything but your ability to easily purchase?

Why yes, as a matter of fact I got popped in 1989 for possession with intent for having a massive 2 plant operation. A fucking 5 year ordeal followed that.

I think at this point if your pro-sin tax your basically living up the lazy non-thinking stoner stereotype.

Ironically, I think the same of you. But then reality intrudes, and everyone sees that your 'plan' is a fantasy. No, the above is not lazy, it's pragmatic reality.

Those of you that don't want to get involved for real, but are willing to sit on the side lines and pout about the game; your fans and that's fine. All we ask as the people who are actually moving the ball down the field is that you Cheer, wave flags, and have some fucking faith.

We can win without compromise on this issue.

You are an idiot if you believe that, and that makes you a lot more likely to be the non-thinking stoner than I. I'll bet I've done way more to promote legalization in my day than you will ever hope to do, and the people that are really moving things along are the ones that understand that politics is a process, that we're not the only ones affected, that compromise is required in order to achieve our goals, and that it's lala land fantasy thinking that we have the numbers and resources to dictate the terms of our victory.

 

[Owl Mirror]

just how extreme is that nerve pain you experience OM, and what is it caused from, and what do you do personally to deal with it??

Well to start, for ten years my spinal cord and central nerve core were compressed by 85% due to the disks in my neck disintegrating and the vertebrae stair-stepping side to side. The central nerve core that emanates from the bottom of my brain is permanently damaged and I have shocking nerve pain throughout my entire body day and night.
Today I have a metal cage encompassing my spine, holding my head on and keeping the vertebrae from crushing my spine again.
For ten years I was unable to enter REM sleep due to the nerve damage making me jerk around like a fish out of water, conscious or unconscious.
What do I do to deal with it?
For the past twelve years I have been consuming large doses of opiates.
Since my state passed our Medical Marijuana law, I've been able to supplement the opiates with marijuana, which has relieved the pain enough to function during the daytime hours without being totally zoned out and vegging in a chair.
Being able to smoke marijuana allows me to forgo taking the narcotics during the daytime, for the most part. That has provided me with the opportunity to actually get out of the house and have some sort of semblance of a normal life.

I'm unsure how anyone else can determine how much I need to consume or determine how much pain I can tolerate according to their personal opinion.

 

[Shcrews]

the government cannot tax a plant which grows freely and easily, and yields pounds of pure medicine, unless of course they infringe drastically upon our privacy........


and to the thread starter, I'm sure Mr. Jack Herer would have a few words to say to you. you know nothing about the true legalization movement.

 

[kmk420kali]

Well to start, for ten years my spinal cord and central nerve core were compressed by 85% due to the disks in my neck disintegrating and the vertebrae stair-stepping side to side. The central nerve core that emanates from the bottom of my brain is permanently damaged and I have shocking nerve pain throughout my entire body day and night.
Today I have a metal cage encompassing my spine, holding my head on and keeping the vertebrae from crushing my spine again.
For ten years I was unable to enter REM sleep due to the nerve damage making me jerk around like a fish out of water, conscious or unconscious.
What do I do to deal with it?
For the past twelve years I have been consuming large doses of opiates.
Since my state passed our Medical Marijuana law, I've been able to supplement the opiates with marijuana, which has relieved the pain enough to function during the daytime hours without being totally zoned out and vegging in a chair.
Being able to smoke marijuana allows me to forgo taking the narcotics during the daytime, for the most part. That has provided me with the opportunity to actually get out of the house and have some sort of semblance of a normal life.

I'm unsure how anyone else can determine how much I need to consume or determine how much pain I can tolerate according to their personal opinion.

You are confusing me bro...I was under the impression that you were against anybody making $$ from weed...but from what I hear...you may benefit most from ppl making $$$...to invest in making better stuff...to help ease your pain--