Verdant, i've gotten similar results with flat scrogs. I feel that light is light, and vertical or horizontal, it will grow you some nice plants. With vertical, you need to keep your scrog very even to get awesome results, so that nothing is covering any buds.
Is Vertical really worth it?
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Verdant, i've gotten similar results with flat scrogs. I feel that light is light, and vertical or horizontal, it will grow you some nice plants. With vertical, you need to keep your scrog very even to get awesome results, so that nothing is covering any buds.
og kush
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Im new here, hello.
I cant believe i read the whole thread.
Im all about improving and trying new things. i believe in them.
I believe in the vertical grow. To clarify, i have not done this grow YET because It took me a while to understand the benefits. And have had numerous arguements with those guys who are like "i been growing for 25 years, it dont work!". so lets go over the facts one more time.......
Everyone needs to go back to page 4 and look at Bush Dr's chart.
Everyone says, if you took all those shelves and put them on the floor, you would have the same amount of plants.
take a book. open it in the middle. the tips of the pages should touch the backing of the book. Now take a page on both sides and raise them. How much space is there from the tip of the page, to the tip of the backing now? ahaaa! you can fit an extra row on each side now, cant you.
Lets talk about time now.
You dont have to veg very long AT all. these are meant to be small plants. If your going flat garden, you want to veg and get some real weight, because you must to make it worth it. Your going pretty much straight to flower in a vertical grow. So yeah, your cutting much more clones, but your outcome is much greater obviously. This system was designed to take as much clones as possible! If this is a problem for you, your out of your league.
Spectrum.
Full spectrum this way. No restrictions plain and simle. So lets get more into it....
Flat gardens are for bigger plants. And we all know that at the end of a flat garden harvest, your left with a certain amount of under developed buds on the bottom, pop-corn buds. This is because the canopy is restricting light that the lower part of the plant needs. In a vertical grow, the plants are getting light from top to bottom giving you full colas with less pop-corn because of the stack/shelves. Which is why you must have each shelf 12-15 inches above each other, give or take. Dont worry about the backside of the plants not getting light. Trust me, they should get plenty!
Construction.
If you cant build the shelves using 2x4's and 2x6's in a couple few hours, your out of your league. you only need screws, screw gun, tape measure and a skill saw. The lights are pretty easy. just get them hung on "yo-yo's" and wired up, its not rocket science.
Cooling.
Im lost for words here. I have an idea but i need someone who can confirm it. Its the only thing keeping me from taking the dive into vertical growing.
i wouldnt go into this with more than two strains. one on each side, or go with the same strain on both sides. and make it a strain your familiar with.
Try and fill the thing up, 200 sounds good.
ive read you can get close to 2lbs per 1000w.
im forgetting alot of crap right now so i'll end my rant here. i guess its time to go burn one.
brb*
I cant believe i read the whole thread.
Im all about improving and trying new things. i believe in them.
I believe in the vertical grow. To clarify, i have not done this grow YET because It took me a while to understand the benefits. And have had numerous arguements with those guys who are like "i been growing for 25 years, it dont work!". so lets go over the facts one more time.......
Everyone needs to go back to page 4 and look at Bush Dr's chart.
Everyone says, if you took all those shelves and put them on the floor, you would have the same amount of plants.
take a book. open it in the middle. the tips of the pages should touch the backing of the book. Now take a page on both sides and raise them. How much space is there from the tip of the page, to the tip of the backing now? ahaaa! you can fit an extra row on each side now, cant you.
Lets talk about time now.
You dont have to veg very long AT all. these are meant to be small plants. If your going flat garden, you want to veg and get some real weight, because you must to make it worth it. Your going pretty much straight to flower in a vertical grow. So yeah, your cutting much more clones, but your outcome is much greater obviously. This system was designed to take as much clones as possible! If this is a problem for you, your out of your league.
Spectrum.
Full spectrum this way. No restrictions plain and simle. So lets get more into it....
Flat gardens are for bigger plants. And we all know that at the end of a flat garden harvest, your left with a certain amount of under developed buds on the bottom, pop-corn buds. This is because the canopy is restricting light that the lower part of the plant needs. In a vertical grow, the plants are getting light from top to bottom giving you full colas with less pop-corn because of the stack/shelves. Which is why you must have each shelf 12-15 inches above each other, give or take. Dont worry about the backside of the plants not getting light. Trust me, they should get plenty!
Construction.
If you cant build the shelves using 2x4's and 2x6's in a couple few hours, your out of your league. you only need screws, screw gun, tape measure and a skill saw. The lights are pretty easy. just get them hung on "yo-yo's" and wired up, its not rocket science.
Cooling.
Im lost for words here. I have an idea but i need someone who can confirm it. Its the only thing keeping me from taking the dive into vertical growing.
i wouldnt go into this with more than two strains. one on each side, or go with the same strain on both sides. and make it a strain your familiar with.
Try and fill the thing up, 200 sounds good.
ive read you can get close to 2lbs per 1000w.
im forgetting alot of crap right now so i'll end my rant here. i guess its time to go burn one.
brb*
I use to do horizontal grows with shades and all that and the first time I tried vertical I never went back to the old ways. I think the main thing with vertical growing is the strain you choose will make a big difference. 50 - 50 Indica, sativa such as an AK with a lot of stretch works great. A NL will not do as well. Also, you want to veg fairly long and you usually have to tie up branches as they fall into the lights or get a little too close. It is a lot of work but well worth the pay off. Some say using tomatoe cages around the bulb or plant help, but that I have not tried. Another thing that improves yield gratly is multiple bulbs as the middle plants will produce HUGE amounts and this amounts to much more yield. Light encircles the middle plants totally so some middle plants I get a pound off alone! I have been getting over 2 pounds per 1000 lately and I never got that off horizontal grows. I find I get more pop corn buds horizontal as apose to vertical where I get long beautful cola's. Get a strain that likes it and you will be impressed. So I would say tying up buds so they don't get burn't and strain are the biggest factors in success or not. Just my 2 pennies.
TGT
TGT
ive always wanted to implement this... still may.. check it out y'all
ive always wanted to implement this... still may.. check it out y'all
i forgot where i got these pictures from, but i figured y'all might like to check them out.... :wink::friends:
edit: these pictures belong to whoever the guy is who puts the watermark/logo of the buttcheeks with glasses... who might that be... whoever you are, you da man, wish i could give shot outs... the main reason i think i saved these pictures to my hard drive while browsing the net is because i had once thought of doing something like this, then i came across these pictures... it seemed too good to be true... almost as if someone had tapped directly into my brain and stole the idea from it...
ive always wanted to implement this... still may.. check it out y'all
i forgot where i got these pictures from, but i figured y'all might like to check them out.... :wink::friends:
edit: these pictures belong to whoever the guy is who puts the watermark/logo of the buttcheeks with glasses... who might that be... whoever you are, you da man, wish i could give shot outs... the main reason i think i saved these pictures to my hard drive while browsing the net is because i had once thought of doing something like this, then i came across these pictures... it seemed too good to be true... almost as if someone had tapped directly into my brain and stole the idea from it...
The advantage to a colosseum setup over a flat would be in the possibility of increased (lit) surface area. Reflectorless lighting schemes outperform ones with reflectors too, because they light a greater surface area. It's better to put all the lumens you pay for to use than to buy more.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that is Heath's grow. He has done some amazing work.
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Teeg420
yep that's one of heaths vert. gardens.
Ipsissimus
Member
awesome construction! why not make the containers level - the plants will naturally grow towards the light.
Uriah Heep
New member
The pots are angled to
1, Drain the nutrients from the pots into the guttering,
2, allow each level to be closer together.
3, Stop the plants from growing into the bottom of the row above. :wink:
Ipsissimus
Member
the plants grow towards the light regardless of the pot angle - in the pic above they grew out, then straight up where they could. My train of thought is that it might be easier to setup an irrigation system with flat pots in general, though there might be added advantages to angled pots. Just saying, you can imagine the above setup with flat pots, and the same plant growth would fit in pretty well.
Uriah Heep
New member
here is the latest grow in the flooded tube vertical. :smile:
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Aerokush101
I am currently in the process of switching to vertical growth, less plants more yield, more complete plant budding, less separation of Grade A & B bud... Cooler temps, more light effeciency, more personal time... what else? Can flower several different types of plants with no worries of height of light effectiveness. I can keep going...
Ipsissimus
Member
awesome uriah
haha, it just seems like horz is for linear thinkers, and verts for for multidimensional thinkers. the mathis easy. potentiail, you can illuminate 5 feet long, by 5 feet wide by 5 feet, why? becuase 1000s work awesome at about 1.5 to 2.5 feet away, and sodiums especially light up and down just as intensly. so when you veg for 1-7 days, the plants are at a perfect adaptable 2.5 feet away, and when they ripen, they are 18 inches away(the tops) but as the buds get bigger(need more light) the closer they grow to it. this is just a general math easy example for 100w hps: horizontal will brightly cover 5 by 5 ft/squre and 2.5 feet tall making 75 cubic feet(not bad and great yields) vert in a 5 by 5 by 5 is 125 cubic feet with max intense light distribution(big yield big quality jump). in theory. if the space almost doubles, the yield will almost double. there is a stadium guy on ic getting 2.5 lb of no popcorn kush every 8 weeks without plants on the ends. overall vert/stadium/wall/collesium/roto growers are the most efficient on light and quality. make sense? d
My next grow is going to be vertical, starting with a single 600 watt for now BUT the next cycle will have 2 600's in there.
Size wise,
4x4x6.5 tents
3 shelving units with 3 rows of 3 for a total of 27 plants total (right under my 30 plant limit)
Not sure what the single 600 will do BUT know it will be a great start towards tweaking the setup for the next cycle when I add an additional 600 in there.
Size wise,
4x4x6.5 tents
3 shelving units with 3 rows of 3 for a total of 27 plants total (right under my 30 plant limit)
Not sure what the single 600 will do BUT know it will be a great start towards tweaking the setup for the next cycle when I add an additional 600 in there.
Medical
Member
Have been really thinking about this. I have been considering a perpetual vertical modular scrog.
I would grow in 3gal hempy buckets with a scrog screen standing up on one side. Harvest one plant a week and move in a pre vegged screen filled plant. 8 plants surrounding a 600w.
I am limited in the number of plants I am allowed to have so this seems like a good way to max my yeilds. I figure nothing to lose, only cost would be the screen material.
I would grow in 3gal hempy buckets with a scrog screen standing up on one side. Harvest one plant a week and move in a pre vegged screen filled plant. 8 plants surrounding a 600w.
I am limited in the number of plants I am allowed to have so this seems like a good way to max my yeilds. I figure nothing to lose, only cost would be the screen material.
There is no need to complicate vertical growing. KISS can also be used in vertical. I simply cant see how horizontal can ever compete with vertical. If the potential is better than the results must be better... at some point. You can achieve great things with horz so its about choosing what seems best to you. But as far as potential goes, vertical is king.
umm...to answer your question.......yes. expect double your yield just by changing to vert/stadium set ups under optimal conditions, good luck, d
illchemist
Member
What about supplementing with 2 x 400 W(vertical), for example, in an 8' x 4' room with 2 x 600 (horizontal)? Put the verticals in the middle or at the ends of the room?
