Cannabis is getting taxed. Deal with it.

[freeride high]

wise man once said something about death and taxes.
id like to see a poll; if marijuana was legalized, would you be ok with paying sales tax, and have it be controlled similarly to how alcohol and tobacco?
imo yes, theres absolutely nothing wrong with taxation of goods. sure its sad to see money disappear, but its what you get out of that few cents on the dollar that everyone seems to forget and take advantage of.
and of course the price would come down, why wouldnt it?

i would like to see marijuana completely legalized, and guess what everyone there WILL be taxes on it.
is it really that big of a deal? i think not..

 

[gogoplata420]

what do rape and taxes have in common?

its best if you just lay down and take it

(i think thats how the joke went)

 

[Hazy Lady]

Deaf and Texas

Deaf and Texas

taxing mj is a way for the government to get control of the lucrative market and bring the profits down.. FUCK TAXING MARIJUANA YOUR THE WEIRDO BRO

I am not singling you out Aeroguerilla, I just used yours to bi-pass ?# of pages of the same "you're a weirdo", "No! you're a weirdo" posts.
No-one is weird for having an opinion, you should have one but that doesn't take away a hard truth, if you want legal weed you WILL pay tax. Apart from a few duty free islands, luxury items the world over have some form of tax added.
The govt in Britain whilst upgrading the classification of Cannabis on one hand, will have already worked out just how much to apply the minute the US legalises MJ. They know once the American Govt gives up the fight our smokers will grow some balls and demand parity.
Actually here (UK) is one place you will see tax free weed, we don't pay a penny for prescriptions if registered sick, disabled or retired.
Personally I would rather pay tax and be able to go berserk!, filling as many rooms as I like to cover tax without fear of arrest and prosecution, I think it is a small price to pay, or rather I would amend my grow to ensure it is a very small price to pay.
Lets get it sorted and legal then you can fight the amount of tax, any beef about not paying just delays things, it suits the anti MJ side.
I am proud to say I took part in the protests over Thatchers Poll Tax, but in the end we won nothing, some innocent folk were serious injured in the ensuing riots, that is never acceptable, people were jailed, lost jobs, lost homes! again, totally unacceptable. Ask one who lost his home, with hindsight, would he rather be paying the tax and still have a home?. You know the answer.
Did it achieve anything?, We still end up paying 'Poll Tax', they just call it 'Council Tax' but the amount is the same.
Sometimes you just have to swallow things you'd rather not, accept some things, like death and taxes they are unavoidable, and for that reason not worth the battle.

"When I was younger I used to sing for revolution, I have kept sacred my beliefs but I have lost my illusion" Linton Kwesi Johnson

 

[Owl Mirror]

and of course the price would come down, why wouldn't it?

Are you saying the growers and distributors would reduce the price in an effort to offset the $50 per ounce tax paid by the GROWER as well as the Sales Tax imposed by the distributor ?

So all these folks who currently grow and sell pounds of marijuana for $2000-$3000 are going to decrease those prices even though they will be paying $800 per pound in taxes ? And the dispensaries are going to absorb those increases and cut their prices because they must impose a sales tax on the product ?

Please tell me another product which has had it's price drop rather than the consumer simply paying the added cost.

Something tells me, instead of a pound costing $2000 it will cost $2800 and then that will be taxed upon the consumer purchasing it.

 

[Amstel Light]

well the reason it will go down in price is simply the supply will be greater due to the fact that there will be more growers and distributors out there, not to mention cpa's trying to hide more money from uncle sam....that was a joke ...or was it?

 

[Owl Mirror]

well the reason it will go down in price is simply the supply will be greater due to the fact that there will be more growers and distributors out there, not to mention cpa's trying to hide more money from uncle sam....that was a joke ...or was it?

Your explanation makes no sense !
How would the supply go up in tandem with the price of doing business for the grower doing so legally ? Are you saying people want this law to go in to effect so they can circumvent the law and sell for the same price as today which in effect would be lower than at the dispensary ?

Seems like yet another deception being perpetrated.
Laws were passed for the medicinal use by real patients and those who only consume for recreational use are now ruining the program through misuse and abuse.

This scheme is wrong on every level. Simply make marijuana legal yet, remove the commerce aspect from the mix. Make it legal to grow your own and keep it out of the marketplace. Form collectives that teach the individual to grow for themselves.

 

[Amstel Light]

no simply...
decrim=more growers= more regulation and certification=more $$$
more growers= more product=more tax revenue$$$$
more product = less price=more smokers=more$$$$$$
not a scheme just business


edit : yea i'm not talking about cali and yall crazy laws im talking full blown decrim.legalization whatever you want to call it....

 

[SeniorBuzz]

no simply...
decrim=more growers= more regulation and certification=more $$$
more growers= more product=more tax revenue$$$$
more product = less price=more smokers=more$$$$$$
not a scheme just business


edit : yea i'm not talking about cali and yall crazy laws im talking full blown decrim.legalization whatever you want to call it....

correctamundo

 

[JJScorpio]

I agree that it should be taxed like other medicines. But looking forward to legalization, it's going to be taxed and regulated like every other product in the legal market. The problem with herb is that is both useful as a medicine and as a recreational substance. There are way too many loopholes for tax problems. They are just going to tax it all. And I agree bro, about our politicians. Honestly, I think the US is going to be in default in another decade or two or three so I don't know that it really matters. But if it gets the government to stop from locking us up then I'm all for it. We can fight taxation later. The market will determine what resources they can spend to regulate us anyway no matter what the law is. How much do we hear about bootlegging anymore, even though it still does happen.

WTF does legalization have to do with meds?

To most people, weed isn't meds, it's something used for pleasure. A medication is something that is taken for an illness or to prevent and illness. I use weed for pleasure, just like someone else uses alcohol for pleasure.

I don't know how this meds thing got so out of control. Out of the hundreds of people I know that smoke, less than a dozen use it medically. I don't know if the Cali people are the ones that refer to weed as meds because it let's them smoke legally, but I'm not sick and I simply want to be able to smoke legally because I like to.

I just get so fucking sick of so many people referring to pot as meds....

 

[SeniorBuzz]

A few of us are starting to kick around what the model grow dispensary might look like.

100 member, very ill, financially limited, patients

30 days 50 being dispensed (100 oz.)
30 days 50 being harvested
28 days 50 four weeks into flowering
28 days 50 just going into flowering
21 days 50 just into vegging
?? in cloning

@ $100/oz $10,000/mo. $120,000/yr.

 

[Owl Mirror]

WTF does legalization have to do with meds?

To most people, weed isn't meds, it's something used for pleasure. A medication is something that is taken for an illness or to prevent and illness. I use weed for pleasure, just like someone else uses alcohol for pleasure.

I don't know how this meds thing got so out of control. Out of the hundreds of people I know that smoke, less than a dozen use it medically. I don't know if the Cali people are the ones that refer to weed as meds because it let's them smoke legally, but I'm not sick and I simply want to be able to smoke legally because I like to.

I just get so fucking sick of so many people referring to pot as meds....

Personally, I use marijuana as a substitute for the opiate/narcotics I'm given for pain relief. I can't speak for anyone else but, I do use it to enhance my life because, without it I would be drugged out all day and all night on a host of opiates.
The reason I get so up in arms by those who are recreational users, imposing themselves on the legal programs by falsely claiming to be sick is because after time the laws my be rescinded because of the notion that the medical use is simply a cover for recreational users.

Without the current law which allows me as a patient to grow my own, I would not grow. I would either be held hostage to buying from the black-market or have to just keep taking the opiates.

I'm all for complete legalization but, until that time arrives, why can't those who are not using this plant medicinally simply stay out of the program?

Actually there is another program that is very useful as designed.
The tax deduction for First-time Home buyers.
Unfortunately the schemers outnumber the legitimate first-time buyers and because of that fact, the program is being discontinued.
The real benefit the program was intended to provide has been ruined by the schemers seeking to take advantage of the system for their own greed.

The exact same thing will eventually happen to the individual States Medical Marijuana Programs, leaving those who the program was intended to serve out in the cold while the schemers just move on.

 

[Owl Mirror]

A few of us are starting to kick around what the model grow dispensary might look like.

100 member, very ill, financially limited, patients

30 days 50 being dispensed (100 oz.)
30 days 50 being harvested
28 days 50 four weeks into flowering
28 days 50 just going into flowering
21 days 50 just into vegging
?? in cloning

@ $100/oz $10,000/mo. $120,000/yr.

@ $100/oz ~ does this $100 include the proposed $50 in grower fees as well as the sales tax ?
Does that mean that currently, people can produce an ounce of high-grade marijuana for $40 ?
Wouldn't that mean a pound can be produced for $650, not $2000 ?

 

[SeniorBuzz]

@ $100/oz ~ does this $100 include the proposed $50 in grower fees as well as the sales tax ?
Does that mean that currently, people can produce an ounce of high-grade marijuana for $40 ?
Wouldn't that mean a pound can be produced for $650, not $2000 ?

This only reflects on our model grow for seriously ill patients; and doesn't apply to anyone else. I want to wrap the tax into the $100 price. A flat 10% of sales would cover the sales tax, as well as allow for the creation of a community assistance fund.

 

[Owl Mirror]

This only reflects on our model grow for seriously ill patients; and doesn't apply to anyone else. I want to wrap the tax into the $100 price. A flat 10% of sales would cover the sales tax, as well as allow for the creation of a community assistance fund.

This is very noble of you yet, doesn't it reveal the greed currently involved in the community?
If you are able to produce an ounce for $40, why are dispensaries selling 1/8 oz for $50-60 to seriously ill patients ?

I wish you all the best in your endeavor !

 

[Pistil_Party09]

ah, taxes.
its simple, if you were prescribed cannabis for a medical condition, it should be tax free.
if you cant sleep at night and you buy some cannabis OTC, its going to have sales tax.
if you are a certified medical patient and your growing, it should be tax free.
if you buy it for recreation = tax
if you grow for recreation = tax

simple.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

This is very noble of you yet, doesn't it reveal the greed currently involved in the community?
If you are able to produce an ounce for $40, why are dispensaries selling 1/8 oz for $50-60 to seriously ill patients ?

I wish you all the best in your endeavor !

rather than referring to it as greed, the dispensary price reflects. the street price, which is a reflection of the illegality of marijuana.

what we accept from the member patient reflects the legal aspect of mmj without the profit motive.

Reality, would be, should be, will be, somewhere in between.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

ah, taxes.
its simple, if you were prescribed cannabis for a medical condition, it should be tax free.
if you cant sleep at night and you buy some cannabis OTC, its going to have sales tax.
if you are a certified medical patient and your growing, it should be tax free.
if you buy it for recreation = tax
if you grow for recreation = tax

simple.

Simple is tax everyone when dispensing; it eliminates the newly created mmj license gray area as to who is, and who isn't.

 

[Owl Mirror]

rather than referring to it as greed, the dispensary price reflects. the street price, which is a reflection of the illegality of marijuana.

what we accept from the member patient reflects the legal aspect of mmj without the profit motive.

Reality, would be, should be, will be, somewhere in between.

I'm confused by your answer. Medical marijuana Patients and those registered to grow for them are legal, both under state law as well as the newly announced edict from the Federal Gov. Why should/would a legal crop be pegged to the black-market prices paid by recreational users?
Shouldn't the entire transaction between patient and dispensaries also be based upon "the legal aspect of mmj without the profit motive." ?

Is it not the profit-driven model which has welcomed those not registered under the state program to participate alongside the patients ? I would blame this on the greed of the dispensary operators and those growing for a profit.

Oh yeah, I forget the truly needy medical marijuana patient would merely buy their medicine and sell it for a profit. This way they can remain addicted to opiates while making a profit.

 

[nephilthim]

no taxes period!I will not support any tax proposal throwing good money after bad in ca.fact of the matter is these proposals don't stand a chance of passing .
prop 215 is infinitely better,than any of the crap gathering signatures.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

I'm confused by your answer. Medical marijuana Patients and those registered to grow for them are legal, both under state law as well as the newly announced edict from the Federal Gov. Why should/would a legal crop be pegged to the black-market prices paid by recreational users?
Shouldn't the entire transaction between patient and dispensaries also be based upon "the legal aspect of mmj without the profit motive." ?

Is it not the profit-driven model which has welcomed those not registered under the state program to participate alongside the patients ? I would blame this on the greed of the dispensary operators and those growing for a profit.

Oh yeah, I forget the truly needy medical marijuana patient would merely buy their medicine and sell it for a profit. This way they can remain addicted to opiates while making a profit.

if they were going to sell something wouldn't it be the opiates, they got for next to free.

hoping to have the patients individually recommended by the patient groups' counselors