Cannabis is getting taxed. Deal with it.
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Amstel Light
HAHAHAHAHAH exactly!
independent_1
Member
It'll go right back underground.
It'll go right back underground.
I think the states should get 100% of taxation on MJ. I'ld be happy to send my state a portion of revenue as long as it doesn't feed the Fed. I'm tired of reading instance after instance of the feds holding money over the states if they don't abide by federal law.We the people overwhelmingly support legalization of MJ, our states listen and pass laws to support this. The feds, nope pure and simple tyranny. The reason they don't like this plant is we will just grow it and not say anything if they try to tax it out of existance.Back underground it goes.
It'll go right back underground.
I think the states should get 100% of taxation on MJ. I'ld be happy to send my state a portion of revenue as long as it doesn't feed the Fed. I'm tired of reading instance after instance of the feds holding money over the states if they don't abide by federal law.We the people overwhelmingly support legalization of MJ, our states listen and pass laws to support this. The feds, nope pure and simple tyranny. The reason they don't like this plant is we will just grow it and not say anything if they try to tax it out of existance.Back underground it goes.
Silver Bullet
Member
HEY FUCK YOU BUDDY!
peice of shit bottom feeding nanny state tit sucking cock bag.
wow this name calling thing is fun!
and so productive, enlightening, and informative.
just makes me feel good
and jiu jitsu sucks!
limited and uninspiring
Way to really drive home the fact that you're ignorant (albeit, probably in a vein attempt to annoy me).
I fucking love how the only opponents to taxing cannabis are the grow it your own assholes doing 3 or 4 plants in their closet...like any of you fucking matter. Nobody wants your tax money so shut the fuck up and sign the petition.
Sigh. Gotta love blind radicals.
And guess what? Under this model, it's ALREADY BEING TAXED.
So wait, you say you're very well aware that it's not being prescribed, and won't be prescribed if it's fully legalized, then why did you cite "Prescription Drugs aren't taxed" and then link me to a wikipedia article if it has nothing to do with the current arguement?
And apparently, you didn't know this since you clearly stated in the very first response to this thread:
When it absolutely is NOT.
How the fuck does it not fall into that category? It ALREADY falls into that category. Thats why I said it is CURRENTLY taxable. I operate in California and Colorado under medicinal guidelines, and i'm telling you now, it's ALREADY being taxed.
Whatever it's primary use is, as designated by the FDA as it's a controlled substance. It has very few roads to go down, Recreational drug (tobacco/alcohol), OTC medication (LOL, no chance in hell), or stay restricted to prescription or recommendation only. The only realistic chance in hell that we have of marijuana *NOT* being taxed is if it stays prescription/recommendation only, and is removed form Schedule I status, allowing it to fulfill local Prescription medication tax exemption clauses.
What you fail to wrap your head around is that the groundwork is already being laid, and that this will be a taxed substance. It ALREADY is a taxed substance in cities that deem it legal.
Let me repeat that for you:
THE SALE OF MARIJUANA IS ALREADY BEING TAXED. As a recreational product, It WILL be taxed by most jurisdictions under current tax codes. As an Herbal Supplement/Medicine, It WILL be taxed by some jurisdictions under current tax codes. As an OTC FDA Approved Medication, It WILL be taxed by most jurisdictions under current tax codes. The only route it can go down without being taxed is to remain restricted, and get an FDA approval and a DEA schedule downgrade.
And what the shit are you going off about california and new york for? California is in shambles because they're fucking retarded and spent money irresponsibly. I fail to see why any of your ramblings about government or duty or rights has to do with WHY Marijuana should be tax exempt, as compared to any other similar substance.
Tell me this:
WHY should it NOT be taxed, when Tobacco, Alcohol, Ginseng, Sodas, Gas, Popcorn, etc, etc, etc, IS? What is the groundbreaking reason that you can declare? "The gov gets enough!" is not a reason. If that's your logic, go argue for a reform in the current tax code for EVERYTHING. "The gov will just waste it!" is not a reason. If that's your logic, go argue for a change in leadership and/or fiscal policy. What is the defining factor that makes Marijuana so incredibly unique that it deserves exemption over other products?
And guess what? Under this model, it's ALREADY BEING TAXED.
So wait, you say you're very well aware that it's not being prescribed, and won't be prescribed if it's fully legalized, then why did you cite "Prescription Drugs aren't taxed" and then link me to a wikipedia article if it has nothing to do with the current arguement?
And apparently, you didn't know this since you clearly stated in the very first response to this thread:
When it absolutely is NOT.
How the fuck does it not fall into that category? It ALREADY falls into that category. Thats why I said it is CURRENTLY taxable. I operate in California and Colorado under medicinal guidelines, and i'm telling you now, it's ALREADY being taxed.
Whatever it's primary use is, as designated by the FDA as it's a controlled substance. It has very few roads to go down, Recreational drug (tobacco/alcohol), OTC medication (LOL, no chance in hell), or stay restricted to prescription or recommendation only. The only realistic chance in hell that we have of marijuana *NOT* being taxed is if it stays prescription/recommendation only, and is removed form Schedule I status, allowing it to fulfill local Prescription medication tax exemption clauses.
What you fail to wrap your head around is that the groundwork is already being laid, and that this will be a taxed substance. It ALREADY is a taxed substance in cities that deem it legal.
Let me repeat that for you:
THE SALE OF MARIJUANA IS ALREADY BEING TAXED. As a recreational product, It WILL be taxed by most jurisdictions under current tax codes. As an Herbal Supplement/Medicine, It WILL be taxed by some jurisdictions under current tax codes. As an OTC FDA Approved Medication, It WILL be taxed by most jurisdictions under current tax codes. The only route it can go down without being taxed is to remain restricted, and get an FDA approval and a DEA schedule downgrade.
And what the shit are you going off about california and new york for? California is in shambles because they're fucking retarded and spent money irresponsibly. I fail to see why any of your ramblings about government or duty or rights has to do with WHY Marijuana should be tax exempt, as compared to any other similar substance.
Tell me this:
WHY should it NOT be taxed, when Tobacco, Alcohol, Ginseng, Sodas, Gas, Popcorn, etc, etc, etc, IS? What is the groundbreaking reason that you can declare? "The gov gets enough!" is not a reason. If that's your logic, go argue for a reform in the current tax code for EVERYTHING. "The gov will just waste it!" is not a reason. If that's your logic, go argue for a change in leadership and/or fiscal policy. What is the defining factor that makes Marijuana so incredibly unique that it deserves exemption over other products?
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gogoplata420
i wish i could make money teaching jiu jitsu and smoking weed all day.& lol at the guy who called jiu jitsu limited and uninspiring
how bout no tax... no legalization and very high profit margins? if you want to play the game you must take the risk... i like it much better the way it is to be 110% honest someone on here said something like "one word underground" muahahah i love it thats the way the shit needs to stay
True. Once it's normalized they would go after pharma which is just what we can't handle right now.
David420
Member
If your talking about marijuana then no it's not. Any doctor who tries to prescribe marijuana will be arrested, and lose their license by an from the federal government. It's only allowed to be recommended by a doctor.
anikas88
Member
I think that alot people who are against the taxation, are more worried about the restrictions the taxation law will bring, like the limiting the amount of space you can grow in. i think its a 5x5 space. What the fuck is that? Also i think it limits the amount you may have in your possession, and also doesnt let you to smoke in public. correct me if im wrong.
Having the legal opportunity for a 5x5 space would certainly screw up a lot of the things they list for probable cause on search warrants you know. Cop to judge "I smelled the odor of growing merryjewanna outside his window" Judge says to cop "so what?".
25 square feet at 50 watts per square foot is 1250 watts. How unreasonable is 3 grams per year per watt? That's 3750 grams or 8.25 lbs per year. Cry me a river if that isn't more than enough for personal use. Shit at 1/2 gram per watt you're still looking at over 4 pounds for christ sake.
25 square feet at 50 watts per square foot is 1250 watts. How unreasonable is 3 grams per year per watt? That's 3750 grams or 8.25 lbs per year. Cry me a river if that isn't more than enough for personal use. Shit at 1/2 gram per watt you're still looking at over 4 pounds for christ sake.
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ureapwhatusow
interesting take, tax revenue will offset lack of federal support
basically use sales taxes to empower the state
once again this model, which burdens that tax payer without a direct correlation of cause and effect is a poor accounting model
my analogy is tolls you pay at a toll bridge
you pay those tolls due to the cost needed to upkeep the portion of highway your driving on
now lets take california, the catalyst to this topic
what are they doing with revenue they propose to make from pot?
and is the expenditure because of the government incurs costs to regulate it?
no.
as i see it most of the people for taax simple dont see it as a issue that effects them personally
either they say they wont have to pay (personal growers) or they are sellers so they dont have to pay (commercial growers) but that they want ti legal to save everyone from jail
see if everyone was worried about everyone else you ould give a fuck about the dude who i tos sick to grow and too sick to afford tax
but they dont cause all they want to do is abate the invisible fear of possible incarceration
you know what ok fair enough, so altruism is bullshit an its every man for himself
but guarantee none of them own houses or have good jobs that that get 35% taxed ripped out
some states dont even charge sales tax
some states dont spend past their budgets
you want to give more money to a state in crisis, but can you tell me
do they need the money because of natural disaster or unforeseen uncontrollable events?
or are they broke because tax revenues are being spent irresponsibly ?
see im not against tax
im against tax that is not accounted for and has no correlation to the item being taxed
state needs to tax pot to afford the formality of legalization? great whats the cost tax it to pay for it
so they can guarantee it get regulated and keeps people safe? great tax teh shit outta it but is it medicine then? cause if its prescription medicine it shoudl be treated likewise unless of course you disagree with relativity
but wait
its a plant
its made to be grown on farms
its consumable its renewable
there are tax models in place for these markets and their products
but i guess the biggest delusion i suffer (according to many posters here) is that we shouldn't stand up and fight for our perceived rights or question government or expect to be able to make an impact
if you let the government to continue to operate wit out accountability they will have to tax air at some point to be able to balance the budget
very simple proof is out of everyone bitching to pay taxes to fix problems
who has read my numerous posts
not one has answered any comments regarding why the state in question needs the tax revenue (is it because they pissing away your taxes or beyond thier control) or wether it will continue to fuel irresponsible government
the reason they didnt is cause they dont have answers like that they just want comfort at the costs f tax payers
obviously they dont see it as personally effecting them
big herb tree said it .. every body fucks around with tax
so in other words pass teh buck to someone else
at least we know why the country is going to shit
cant blame a government for being shitty if the people it governs are too apathetic to care what it does
mrgreengenes1
New member
Most of California is 6 plants with 100 sq ft canopy. That means if your plants take up more than 10' x 10' you are in violation of the law. That means the days of 6 gigantic 2 pounders are over for legal growers.
You should read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. http://www.amazon.com/Art-War-Sun-Tzu/dp/0385292163
If you just want the Cliff notes version listen to "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers.
The correct answer to your question is simply that we don't have the resources needed, don't have the hope of gaining the resources needed, and have a quite a hump getting over just getting enough people to agree to leave us alone.
I'd really like to know why you think you have even the proverbial snowball's chance of instituting such a extreme plan and where you think the resources to implement such a plan will come from. I'd also like to know why you think you can get the general voting public to agree with you when you can't even get a consensus among those interested.
Revolutionaries do not make the revolution. Revolutions make the revolutionary. Think about it, you can set up your soap box on the corner and preach your sermon all day long, if everyone just smiles and nods politely while thinking you a nut your revolution is going nowhere. If the message is salient and resonates, the crowd gathers and unifies it really doesn't matter who's on the soap box delivering the message.
Politics is the art of compromise. You have to give up something to get something, and even moreso when you only have a single digit % of core voter support, which is very much the case here.
I have no problem with taxing PURCHASED RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.
I do have a problem when people like the above OP want the government to enter in to my grow closet, count my plants and tax me for growing my own.
Stay out of my personal consumption and you folks who want to pay tax can be fat & happy spending your money foolishly.
I do have a problem when people like the above OP want the government to enter in to my grow closet, count my plants and tax me for growing my own.
Stay out of my personal consumption and you folks who want to pay tax can be fat & happy spending your money foolishly.
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Amstel Light
yea what the fuck! who would not be stoked with 8 lbs a year even if you had to pay 1000-1500 or more a year to be certified/regulated? not to mention the fact that if you were growing double this illegally it would hardly be noticed......like the the thread title states DEAL WITH IT!!!!
cause the hidden tax you know the one where you have to pay lawyers (that grease judges), bailbondsman, probation bullshit etc. is a lot more costly dont you think!?
Your a fucking moron ^^^^^^ no where in any of the texts does it say personal consumption growers will be taxed. id rather be fat and happy and money to spend. then be broke, skinny and in jail striving to keep my sanity....
