Dutch Police Seal off Neighbourhood in Hunt for Growers

[dreadvik]

I can kinda see why the dutch wouldn't fight if being allowed to grow 5 plants personal and keep private clubs. Swiss have swiss passport only type of things don't they? They didn't fight

I'd personally be worried if I fought it it might get worse, we all know they want to tighten up more. While my grow was legal and i could still socialise in coffeeshops I'd not want to risk that for tourists who have to come to holland since their stoners for the 70's and 80's didn't do what those did in holland. Seems selfish I know I'm bored of flying out to dam now for the variety too, I like to see something big happen here that forces the gov to rethink but I think most got scared off by the busts of our first coffeshops then the recent reclassifications

 

[chuckyoufarley]

the USA may have DRACONIAN LAWS but they CANT DO THAT SHIT HERE

 

[Pinball Wizard]

did they find Ann Frank?...or Mary Jane?

 

[karmasabitch]

Seems like the NAZIS, SS, and GESTAPO have come back to Hoensbroek. I thought they left in nineteen fortyfive.

 

[SpasticGramps]

That's a shame. I feel for the Netherlands loss of liberty.

 

[Skip]

Just like every other Government in the world

There is a monetary reason for this

Yup, it's simple; the more people who smoke cannabis, the less who drink Heineken... It's all about profits for the multinationals. Screw the little guy who wants to smoke a joint and get high instead of drunk!

I hope enough Dutch read this thread and realize just HOW BAD this makes their country look. Supposedly a bastion of tolerance, now the Netherlands is looking like a bastion of INTOLERANCE. And for most American stoners, and activists that's a HUGE TURNOFF.

Do people realize the Dutch also periodically cordon off parts of Amsterdam and do searches of everyone just walking on the streets? More Gestapo tactics. The Dutch have learned well from their German masters (and they still sing about their German fatherland believe it or not - Dutch national anthem). Is it any wonder so many Dutch are vehemently racist?

And we are the people who've told our families and friends how nice and free Holland is (was) encouraging them to go for a visit (we're talking about straight tourists now).

Well from now on I'll be advising people to steer clear of Holland (and I've sent THOUSANDS of ppl there from my websites). Just multiply that by others who used to recommend the country as a destination and Holland's BAD REP is gonna spread thru the tourist mindset.

Unless you Dutch start showing some balls and some activism, your country goes on the Boycott list!

If there are any Dutch here who can advise us as to the actions taken by the Cannabis community in Holland to fight this, please do so. Otherwise I believe the Dutch are only into cannabis for the money now, unlike in the past. Boycott them until they start waking up!

Every Dutchman should read this!!! It's about the Provos, who've been consigned to the trashheap of Dutch history. Learn your own history!
http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/HT_provos_0190.html

This is what the Dutch should be doing today. But NO...

Robert Jasper Grootveld, R.I.P.! Abbie Hoffman, R.I.P.! Dutch freedom and tolerance, R.I.P.!

 

[attila76]

No this makes sense. When the whole neighborhood gets taken over in a short period of time its very likely organized crime that took over the area. Disorganized individuals would come and go randomly creating no spike in energy usage. The Dutch are wise to keep growing clean and safe. Marijuana can become a problem when its profits are used to fund the Mafia's war on civilized society.
The dutch gov has a moral right and responsibility to keep their country free from corruption, fear and intimidation.
My two cents

 

[Skip]

No this makes sense. When the whole neighborhood gets taken over in a short period of time its very likely organized crime that took over the area. Disorganized individuals would come and go randomly creating no spike in energy usage. The Dutch are wise to keep growing clean and safe. Marijuana can become a problem when its profits are used to fund the Mafia's war on civilized society.
The dutch gov has a moral right and responsibility to keep their country free from corruption, fear and intimidation.
My two cents

There are many other ways to go about it than depriving citizens of their privacy and freedoms. Look the other way now and next thing you know they'll be at your door, searching your house, for any reason they choose.

That's how fascism works. When one person loses their privacy & freedom, due to irrational, hyped up fears, everyone does.

Once again, that's how the Nazis did it. Give ppl something to fear, and they will let the powers trample your freedoms, oppress minorities via scapegoating (people who smoke cannabis are a minority as are cannatourists), criminalize more and more behaviors, etc. It's a vicious cycle that victimizes innocent people, just for PROFIT!

 

[Skip]

Here's an idea for those Dutch who want to get on board with a boycott of Heineken...

Coffeeshop owners, dump your Heineken! Sell Grolsh, Duvel, Orangeboom, etc.

Merchants sell t-shirts that say: YES to Cannabis! No to Heineken! Or use a pot leaf and a heineken logo with a red circle & slash. One image on the front, one on the back.

This is just an idea for you. Bet the tourists will love those T-shirts.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Grolsch is from Holland as well.

 

[Cat Jockey]

So I guess some of you think a few stoners not drinking Heinie will somehow get legislation changed and change how LEO works? Please. I know your frustrations, but let's be realistic.

Lotta dutch hatin' goin' on. The simple fact is that on a federal level, it is illegal to grow mj in the US. In Holland any citizen can apparently grow 5 plants. Plus, after harvest, you can go down to the red light district and pay a hooker to pee all over youto celebrate and wash the trichs off of ya. All without worrying about getting 'caught' and going to jail.

Not bad.

The whole cops going door to door is bad and a bunch of bullshit and wouldn't happen in the US, though. It would be illegal for the po-po to do so.

So mooning smilie back at you.

As far as the tourism, I don't blame them. Would you want a bunch of people from all over the world flocking to your neighborhood to do nothing but stay jacked up on drugs and buy kinky sex? That that was the only purpose of their visit? Where you work, live, raise children, etc? It would be a nuisance.

I live in a pretty nativist state that does not like intrusion in the from tourists and a bumper sticker I have seen and a saying i have heard is as follows:

If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot 'em?

I am sure A-damers understand that sentiment and feel invaded by morons at times.

 

[Skip]

Grolsch is from Holland as well.

So is Orangeboom. We are only targeting Heineken because it is allowed to advertise its addictive, dangerous vice all over the world, yet cannabis can't even be sold to foreigners in Holland anymore (for the most part).

 

[Skip]

As far as the tourism, I don't blame them. Would you want a bunch of people from all over the world flocking to your neighborhood to do nothing but stay jacked up on drugs and buy kinky sex? That that was the only purpose of their visit? Where you work, live, raise children, etc? It would be a nuisance.

You don't seem too familiar with Dutch history. This has been ongoing for 500 years and continues today, but suddenly now one particular vice has been targeted by the powers that be. The most INNOCUOUS of vices is now the target of a national campaign of INTOLERANCE. Don't you get it?

You also don't realize that MOST of Amsterdam is not Dutch anymore. More foreigners live there now. Dutch society is akin to Ferengi society. It's all about making profit.

Its now fine for Dutch ppl to grow 5 plants, smoke in their private clubs, but foreigners don't get this right do they? That's outright discrimination, hypocritical fascism, and damaging to holland's reputation for tolerance.

The Dutch think it fine to scapegoat the cannatourist. Just wait until it backfires on them.

It ain't just the cannatourists going to steer clear of Holland.

Again this is fascism in its most insidious form. You've been warned...

To set the record straight: I don't hate the dutch, just their incredible apathy.

Remember Srebrenica!!! The Dutch couldn't be bothered to lift a finger to prevent a HUGE massacre of men, women and children... Another recent stain on Dutch history!

SHAME ON THE DUTCH! The Spanish ruled you better than Balkenede does!

 

[opt1c]

and all this time i thought the bands of drunk english men were there for the prostitutes and beer not the bud; maybe the dam just want more drunk englishmen and fewer stoners who don't get drunk and spend all their money on whores... like skip says... all you have to do is follow the $$$

 

[Skip]

and all this time i thought the bands of drunk english men were there for the prostitutes and beer not the bud; maybe the dam just want more drunk englishmen and fewer stoners who don't get drunk and spend all their money on whores... like skip says... all you have to do is follow the $$$

Yeah, you really have to cross the street in A'dam when you encounter such groups. I guess stoners are so much more threatening than roving groups of drunken British soccer fans to the Dutch. And it's all because we don't spend enough money on Heineken and whores. Spot on optic.

But really it's not the A'dam cannatourists who don't spend enough money, it's the French, German & Belgian tourists who visit the Dutch border towns who come only to buy cannabis and go home. Maybe they'll buy one beer (probably Belgian) while they're in Holland. That's not enough because the profits from cannabis they buy go to the gangs who are growing everywhere these days in the south of the country. So the big Dutch companies see no profit in it for them. That's why we are targeting Heineken. Cause they are no doubt one of the companies behind this prohibition and intolerance.

When the Dutch pass laws that restrict business, it's only so that other more established guild member businesses can make more money. They're using conservative MORALITY as an excuse to get the public to accept these changes. Same shit goes on in the USA. It's American style capitalism/fascism/consumerism/christian conservatism that has changed Dutch society for the worse in the past decade.

Now the Dutch need BIG houses and BIG cars, to satisify their BIG new American style EGOS. Good luck with that and finding a parking spot for your big SUV in Amsterdam (what's that cost now to park a car in A'dam?) I just checked, and it's now 5 Euros PER HOUR, to park on the street in the Centrum. That's $7.50 in US currency per hour...

 

[bass ackwards]

Very disturbing news,certainly sounds like Gestapo tactics. Is it true as some have said that foreigners are not allowed to buy cannabis? I haven't heard that before.

Respect bass

 

[Cat Jockey]

You don't seem too familiar with Dutch history. This has been ongoing for 500 years and continues today.

Another ... Please. 200 years ago Americans were lining up on the shores of the east coast waiting to board sail ships to cross the Atlantic to visit A-dam. 500 years ago there was a thriving tourist industry in Europe and serfs from all over loaded the kiddies up on the oxen and traveled to A-dam to smoke weed and hash because their feudal lords had outlawed it where they live?

Gimme a break. International tourism has transformed radically in the last several decades. Those big shiny things in the sky. And in the last couple of decades, it has become affordable for the average joe to board a plane to go to A-dam to do nothing but smoke as much weed and hash as possible. Not the kind of tourist I would interested in personally.

What is going on in A-dam concerning drug tourism IS NOT what has been going on for the last 500 years. Not even close.

You also don't realize that MOST of Amsterdam is not Dutch anymore. More foreigners live there now.

And I am sure you are being politically correct in not defining a specific group that refuses to assimilate into the Dutch culture and insist upon taking it back a few centuries. I believe this is going to be a problem for a lot of Europe.

That's an immigration policy problem, not a drug tourism problem. Seperate problems.

but suddenly now one particular vice has been targeted by the powers that be.

I don't know, but I would guess that most forenigners traveling to A-Dam do so more to smoke weed and hash more than any other vice. Could help explain why they are targeting it, no?

The most INNOCUOUS of vices is now the target of a national campaign of INTOLERANCE. Don't you get it?

No, I don't get it I guess. The pendulum of public opinion swings, everywhere, including toleralnt Holland. I don't think it a conspiracy. I consider it the pendulum swinging and the influx of non-assimilated foreigners.

Its now fine for Dutch ppl to grow 5 plants, smoke in their private clubs, but foreigners don't get this right do they?

Why should they? They are not Dutch citizens. They are not entitled. They are visitors.

That's outright discrimination

Yes. So what? Discrimination is not neccesarily a bad thing. It is a survival skill. If the Dutch are to extend the priveledges to all people of the world does that mean I should be able to apply for Dutch Welfare? Or should that gov't discriminate and only allow those privledges to its citizens?

hypocritical fascism

Drama Queen. Yawn.

damaging to holland's reputation for tolerance.

Okay. That seems to be their goal. To show a reputation for less tolerance.

 

[Skip]

And I am sure you are being politically correct in not defining a specific group that refuses to assimilate into the Dutch culture and insist upon taking it back a few centuries. I believe this is going to be a problem for a lot of Europe.

That's an immigration policy problem, not a drug tourism problem. Seperate problems.

It so happens I didn't have any racial group in mind when I made that statement about foreigners. But you obviously do. You're showing your true racist colors, and your entire post reeks of apathy. Thanks for proving my points. You must be Dutch!

Yes. So what? Discrimination is not neccesarily a bad thing. It is a survival skill. If the Dutch are to extend the priveledges to all people of the world does that mean I should be able to apply for Dutch Welfare? Or should that gov't discriminate and only allow those privledges to its citizens?

Once you let people into your country you should treat them as EQUALS, no matter who they are or where they come from or the color of their skin. Got it? If not, then you're a racist or scapegoating for profit or power.

Why should they? They are not Dutch citizens. They are not entitled. They are visitors.

What was there about 50% of A'dammers not being Dutch citizens that you didn't understand? They're not Dutch, may not have Dutch bank accounts and therefore are prohibited from joining the cannabis clubs, yet they LIVE in Holland.

In California you don't have to even be an American citizen to grow, purchase and use medical marijuana. In other words foreigners have the same rights so long as they reside in the state.

 

[stasis]

I still love Amsterdam. It is not all about the weed. Which is a good thing, 'cause the buds are not spectacular. lol.... Some of the Hash sure is, however..... Yum.

Limburg absolutely felt different to me than Amsterdam did.. I did not like that feeling, and did not stay long. But was glad I went. The C'shop scene there was safe, but did not feel comfortable particularly - or even fun.

Belgium always felt different than The Netherlands... Limburg felt more like Belgium. If that makes any sense.

I am under no illusions anymore about how serious the "Shitstem" is in Europe. Or in You Ess Ay Land either.... I had long-time aspirations of growing in Amsterdam, but no longer. Different modes of Control. Similar desired results. The USA is evolving into a heavily controlled society. I do not like personal information included in the magnetic strip on my passport-to-come next year. Or possible subcutaneous chips embedded in our skins, someday.

Good SCIENCE-FICTION becomes SCIENCE-FACT. Sometimes it is such a mind-numbingly slow, or confusing path but, it occurs.

(frequent traveller to AMS - an opinion).

 

[Cat Jockey]

It so happens I didn't have any racial group in mind when I made that statement about foreigners. But you obviously do. You're showing your true racist colors, and your entire post reeks of apathy. Thanks for proving my points. You must be Dutch!

Wow. I really don't want to clutter up this thread too much responding to that nonsense. So I am a racist? You're a moron. I wasn't speaking of a racial group Einstein. And although I live in Colorado, I bet any real Dutch reading this knows the group I was referring to. There is nothing racist or bad identifying that group and the influence their lack of assimilation is having on Dutch culture.

Feel free to respond, but I am done with you. I will not clutter up this thread anymore arguing with an apparent intellectual midget.

Toodles little one.