LA To Rush Vote on Medical Pot Law

[kmk420kali]

Or maybe they just have the best interests of patients in mind as per 215.

What they are doing...is effectively banning all distribution...since "In addition, the ordinance would limit the number of dispensaries by requiring them to be at least 1,000 feet from schools, parks, libraries, religious institutions, child care facilities, youth centers, hospitals, medical facilities, substance abuse rehabilitation centers and other collectives."....will mean there isn't one square inch that is legal to operate on!!

Or maybe they just have the best interests of patients in mind as per 215.

Well, I don't see you doing anything...but you keep preaching about how it should be cheap...and run "By the Law"....even though the Law is being distorted as we speak!!
If this goes through, you will get your way...and "Still" have to buy your meds on the streets!! Because if a person can't make a living at something they are doing...they will not do it!!
But I still laugh...I have been selling weed for over a decade now...and it doesn't look like anything is going to change in the near future!!

You are falling for their trap--

 

[Zoolander]

Blue Dot what do you think is a fair price for a grower to get with the time, skill and cost it takes to produce A+ product ?

 

[Kiffen]

Chinatown.

 

[bigbrokush]

Ok now after reading this, this is where I think that the movement has gone wrong so far. There are Council member that are not in the interest of MMJ. If we are going to be able to do anything in the city or county of Los Angeles we must first have council people that are on our side. If that means that we must have a person run for office in every area then so be it, but without a voice who has a ass in a seat and has a vote this is the kind of BS that will happen. When you get a few people that cry foul and they cry loud enough this is what happens.
True the only thing that the city really wants is to find a way how to milk this cash cow. Legally you can not tax a non-profit business. So that's not working for them. Here is another thought of mine. I think that they will make the business lic. cost so much that they will get most of the new businesses to close because the lic. will cost 10-20k a year. Which is wrong because you don't charge any other business that is non-profit that kind of bread. To make a long story short I see big law suites on the way. But let me see what you guys think.

 

[johnnyla]

re: The ordinance requires collectives to keep records on members and suppliers and to make them available to police, which operators fear could leave them vulnerable to federal prosecution even though the Justice Department on Monday formally told its prosecutors not to pursue medical marijuana users and dispensaries that follow state law.

The draft ordinance also adds a provision that requires collectives to notify council members and neighborhood councils of their plans to open, and another that bars anyone who was convicted of a felony within the previous 10 years or who is on parole or probation from managing a collective.

In addition, the ordinance would limit the number of dispensaries by requiring them to be at least 1,000 feet from schools, parks, libraries, religious institutions, child care facilities, youth centers, hospitals, medical facilities, substance abuse rehabilitation centers and other collectives.

The ordinance also would restrict the dispensaries' operations. They could be open only between 10 a.m. and 8 p.m. They could have no more than 5 pounds of marijuana or 100 plants on hand, and marijuana could not be consumed on site. They also would not be allowed to sell or manufacture edible marijuana products.

I don't see anything wrong with these requirements, with the exception as to pot on hand.

are you effing kidding me? submitting medical information to LAPD is against FEDERAL and STATE medical privacy laws. this ordinance is totally fucked.

 

[johnnyla]

people always forget that the prices have to be at or near street prices, otherwise more medical MJ ends up on the street....think about it. If I'm a pot dealer and can get ounces at a club below street prices....then thats where I would get it.

please stop parroting this DUMB LOGIC.

how many patients get Oxycontin for CVS prices???

they don't all go and sell it for a $1 per mg aka $50 a pill.

should we charge all pain med patients exorbitant prices so they don't sell it on the street. i'm starting to think this is some gang banger logic here bro.

yo man, i gotta sell it for higher so it doesn't get diverted. yeah right, you want to sell it for higher prices and pocket the coin. i ain't that dumb kid, but you are lucky, cuz most people are.

 

[Blue Dot]

please stop parroting this DUMB LOGIC.

how many patients get Oxycontin for CVS prices???

they don't all go and sell it for a $1 per mg aka $50 a pill.

should we charge all pain med patients exorbitant prices so they don't sell it on the street.

Thank god someone said what I was thinkin.

 

[kmk420kali]

please stop parroting this DUMB LOGIC.

how many patients get Oxycontin for CVS prices???

they don't all go and sell it for a $1 per mg aka $50 a pill.

should we charge all pain med patients exorbitant prices so they don't sell it on the street. i'm starting to think this is some gang banger logic here bro.

yo man, i gotta sell it for higher so it doesn't get diverted. yeah right, you want to sell it for higher prices and pocket the coin. i ain't that dumb kid, but you are lucky, cuz most people are.

Gotta say bro...you're wrong-- They do sell Oxy's for $50 on the streets-- Not that I would pay it..lol...but they do--

 

[johnnyla]

Gotta say bro...you're wrong-- They do sell Oxy's for $50 on the streets-- Not that I would pay it..lol...but they do--

bro i sad they do sell oxy for $50 on the street. should CVS and RITE AID charge grandma $50 per pill, $1000 per bottle, $1000 per month, for her pain meds? what about gramps? i mean, come on, we can't risk that grandma and grandpa might sell it. too bad for them if they can't afford it now, right? (sarcasm).

the logic is flawed.

anyone charging more for cannabis using the reasoning that they are preventing the diversion of cannabis for non medical purposes are wrong on so many levels, including state law.

 

[kmk420kali]

bro i sad they do sell oxy for $50 on the street. should CVS and RITE AID charge grandma $50 per pill, $1000 per bottle, $1000 per month, for her pain meds? what about gramps? i mean, come on, we can't risk that grandma and grandpa might sell it. too bad for them if they can't afford it now, right? (sarcasm).

the logic is flawed.

anyone charging more for cannabis using the reasoning that they are preventing the diversion of cannabis for non medical purposes are wrong on so many levels, including state law.

My bad...(Jelly hash!!)

 

[Blue Dot]

the logic is flawed.

anyone charging more for cannabis using the reasoning that they are preventing the diversion of cannabis for non medical purposes are wrong on so many levels, including state law.

I agree.

Like I said diversion was never even mentioned in 215, sb420 or even Jerry's guidelines i believe.

The ONLY people who use the word Diversion are the cops and the dispensaries, who both have a vested interest in the law, albeit for diametrically opposed reasons.

 

[johnnyla]

KM420KALI

Jellyhash!!!! LOL.

LUCKY!!!!

i'm gonna roll one with my fresh batch of outdoor green crack.

cheers.

 

[vta]

I agree.

Like I said diversion was never even mentioned in 215, sb420 or even Jerry's guidelines i believe.

The ONLY people who use the word Diversion are the cops and the dispensaries, who both have a vested interest in the law, albeit for diametrically opposed reasons.

But this IS the reason for the prices. I wasn't saying right or wrong...just the way it is.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

BD,you said that they have the patients rights in mind? So if they close the dispensaries then the patients that went to those places will assed out. So the 150 or so that are left will absolutely be killing it. They could charge 100.00 an 1/8th and have a line out the door. Most of the prop 215 patients I know don't have connections that sell weed. So they would be stuck going to the places that are left. I have read a lot of your posts and I think yor heart is in the right place but greed and jobs are what drives this place. Did a cut and paste from the front page. GREED is the game see below. You will never convince me that any politician gives a fuck about his constituents. These are the same people you will have to register with to grow, hell no! LAPD will collect the vig.

This is the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, no less, a federal court!

Court Slams LAPD For Illegally Seizing Medical Marijuana Profits

In a remarkable opinion issued today with potential Orange County implications, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit blasted the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) for committing "highly objectionable," "tainted," "reckless," "misleading" and "illegal" conduct in a 2005 attempt to seize more than $186,400 from a legally compliant Southern California medical marijuana distributorship.

The justices showed no patience for LAPD's efforts to keep the cash for itself and then later--after it was clear they couldn't take possession legally--transferred it to Thomas P. O'Brien's LA-based U.S. Attorney's office, which planned to kickback as much as 80 percent of the money to the local cops.

"We are particularly concerned by the possibility that the LAPD might stand to profit from [its own] unlawful activity," wrote circuit Judge Richard R. Clifton, who went on to describe the money grab as "disturbing" and a "distinct" violation of the U.S. Constitution's limitations of police state activities such as tainted searches and seizures of private property.

The opinion reverses a federal District Court's ruling that blocked a summary judgment motion by United Medical Caregivers Clinic, Inc., which was trying to regain its plundered cash from federal agents. Though California law allows for medical marijuana distributorships, the feds eventually grabbed the clinic's cash under the theory that all marijuana sales are illegal under federal law. LAPD's misconduct should not preclude federal agents (who weren't involved in the case) from taking control of the money, federal prosecutors said.

(Interestingly, in a specious, last-ditch effort to prevent the clinic from recovering its funds, LAPD also argued that they'd conducted the search to protect federal law.)

But arguments by O'Brien's office failed in large part, according to the justices, because LAPD officers lied to gain the initial state judge-approved search warrant by failing to note that the clinic was operating lawfully under state law. In other words, the cops had no probable cause for their search that produced the cash, 209 pounds of marijuana, 21 pounds of hashish and 12 pounds of marijuana oil.

Noting the "strong" self-interest cops have in seizing drug assets for themselves, the justices said, "The integrity of this court is served by our refusal to allow the government to profit from illegal activity by law enforcement when such activity produces incriminating evidence."

In recent months and after this case was filed, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced that federal agents will not prosecute medical marijuana providers in states where the activity is legal.

--R. Scott Moxley / OC Weekly

 

[SDbudz]

I agree.

Like I said diversion was never even mentioned in 215, sb420 or even Jerry's guidelines i believe.

The ONLY people who use the word Diversion are the cops and the dispensaries, who both have a vested interest in the law, albeit for diametrically opposed reasons.

"guidelines for the security and nondiversion of marijuana grown for medical purposes" quote from the first paragraph of the AG guidelines

 

[Pythagllio]

Diversion is a serious concern of those outside the community. How many times have we heard them accusing the dispensaries of being simple fronts for supplying petty drug dealers even though it makes no economic sense?

It's definitely a different situation than Oxy at a pharmacy. Those medical professionals prosecuted for diversion of Oxycontin have by and large been the doctors that wrote the prescription. The company that owns the pharmacy need not worry about LEOs busting the staff for filling prescriptions.

The only other way to eliminate fears of diversion is for the dispensaries to keep detailed files and ration the cannabis. You'd also need a shared data base between the dispensaries or the diversion would be done by smurfing. Gosh I'd love having my name and purchase history in a computer database, wouldn't you? It would be ever so much help to LEO too, when they come in and seize the records and can detail with precision just how much cannabis has flowed through the dispensary. More work for less money for the dispensaries, detailed records for LEO, it makes me wonder why that system didn't get the nod.

The reason most people don't resell their Oxy isn't because they don't want the money, it's because they'd rather have the pain relief and most doctors don't prescribe enough (fear of prosecution). Change the system of filling prescriptions to having the doctor say 'he has a medical need for Oxy, sell him what he wants' and you would see millions of pills show up in the clutches of recreational users.

 

[bterzz]

Or maybe they just have the best interests of patients in mind as per 215.

blue dot are you kidding me bro? I honestly just had to erase the F word so I dont sound like some rude punk, but give it a damn rest!

You seem to be the ONLY one who isn't happy. But hey I only know about 200 med patients!

 

[vta]

Diversion is a serious concern of those outside the community. How many times have we heard them accusing the dispensaries of being simple fronts for supplying petty drug dealers even though it makes no economic sense?

It's definitely a different situation than Oxy at a pharmacy. Those medical professionals prosecuted for diversion of Oxycontin have by and large been the doctors that wrote the prescription. The company that owns the pharmacy need not worry about LEOs busting the staff for filling prescriptions.

The only other way to eliminate fears of diversion is for the dispensaries to keep detailed files and ration the cannabis. You'd also need a shared data base between the dispensaries or the diversion would be done by smurfing. Gosh I'd love having my name and purchase history in a computer database, wouldn't you? It would be ever so much help to LEO too, when they come in and seize the records and can detail with precision just how much cannabis has flowed through the dispensary. More work for less money for the dispensaries, detailed records for LEO, it makes me wonder why that system didn't get the nod.

The reason most people don't resell their Oxy isn't because they don't want the money, it's because they'd rather have the pain relief and most doctors don't prescribe enough (fear of prosecution). Change the system of filling prescriptions to having the doctor say 'he has a medical need for Oxy, sell him what he wants' and you would see millions of pills show up in the clutches of recreational users.

good post!

 

[Blue Dot]

The reason most people don't resell their Oxy isn't because they don't want the money, it's because they'd rather have the pain relief...

Thank you for proving the point that most MMJ patients and doctors are scaming the system.

think about it, why would a legit patient sell their meds if their meds were worth more to them (in the form of pain relief) then money?

Hint: it's because they are scammers with no real medical need.

So legit patients should have to pay exorbinate prices because of the majority that are bad apples?

That's bad policy and unfair to the legit patients.

 

[kmk420kali]

Thank you for proving the point that most MMJ patients and doctors are scaming the system.

think about it, why would a legit patient sell their meds if their meds were worth more to them (in the form of pain relief) then money?

Hint: it's because they are scammers with no real medical need.

So legit patients should have to pay exorbinate prices because of the majority that are bad apples?

That's bad policy and unfair to the legit patients.

If the Majority are "Bad Apples"...then I would not be fighting so hard for this!!
Why the fuck do you think that my Brother with AIDS...has more of a Right for weed than my Other Brother with the need of smoking after a hard day's work for stress relief and relaxation??
All use is Justified...let's get Gangsta here and say "We all have the Right!!"
If ppl can make the $$ to help them live...let them be!!
If you don't agree...go someplace else (Another Source) --
Fuck the Laws...and fuck everybody that says I have to follow them!!
I try and do it right...but "They" don't want it that way...
I spent the majority of my life in Prison for a stupid drug (Heroin)...I damn sure ain't scared of Prison for a Cause I truly believe in...and THAT is what has them worried...they can't control the ones who don't give a fuck!!