18 Critical Mass, 3 Green Poison, 1 Shark. 1800W

EvilTwin · Oct 12, 2009

Hi E,
I can't really tell from your shots. The first shot looks to have multiple balls which would make it a male (just a guess at this point). I don't call them until I see pistils (actual white hairs) or multiple stamen.

Hope you get lots of ladies...
Good luck,
ET

Riboflavin · Oct 13, 2009

Yeah, its too hard to tell from those pics Eq. The preflowers are still pretty small, just keep an eye on them. The female preflower will be more elongated, and eventually sprout hairs where as the male preflower kinda starts off looking like a ball on a stick and eventually multiple balls.

Edit: the last one looks pretty male, are those multiple little balls?

Equilibrium · Oct 13, 2009

ShamelessJames: Indeed, it seems the perfect size to go for a scrog. About the Blue Cheese, I grew 5 of them from seed and they were pretty much uniform, so I don't think you will have any problem! Good luck!

Mikeross: Well, the fact is I never finished a grow with the 5,5in pots. I always repot them in the bigger ones. The rule of thumb is more space, more happy roots.
But for my next run, I'm going to try the 3 different pots with the same cloned strain. It's obvious that if any difference can be seen, the smaller pots allow more plants in the growroom.

EvilTwin: Thanks for stopping by. I already took 6 of them down has it was obvious they were male from the multiple balls. I have 6 critical mass that turned out to be clear females. 4 of them are unidentified.

Riboflavin: Yes, the last one was an obvious male. My females already sprouted hairs, I have one that looks pretty strong and might be a keeper. Thanks for the help Ribo!

Equilibrium · Oct 15, 2009

Ok guys, I've switched the plants to the flowering stage the 12th.

I have 3 really nice Big Buds, 1 Shark and 6 Critical Mass, all females. Another 4 Critical Mass are undefined for now.

Yesterday's pics:

I've took a clone off every female I have before switching to 12/12. They are my first clones!

Equilibrium · Oct 18, 2009

Some pics from the 14th:

Weird root grow on the main stem:

I get the same scars problem back with the Shark:

It's really weird.

I'm gonna post more pics today when the lights turn on!

Equilibrium · Oct 21, 2009

Ok so it's been a bad start this week.

Clones are dead, they did not rooted in 8 days and the part of the stem which was buried in rockwool began to rot.
I used a simple technique: they were put in an electric dome in rockwool cubes, plain water. I tried to not touch them, what I did is open the dome once a day for 5 mn so they could get some air and mist them from time to time.

I really need to get some clones from a Critical Mass who looks AWESOME! I cannot let that pheno disappear.
My plants are already in flower. I don't know what to do.

Second, I was going to take some pictures but my camera won't open. I hope it's not broken and it's jus these rechargeable batteries that are fucked up.

Third, I think I have a problem with the temps in the growroom. I can't figure why some plants have droppy leaves. I'm sure it does not come from the watering.

Let's see if I can get that camera on as soon as possible...

EvilTwin · Oct 21, 2009

Hi E,
Sorry things have gone awry. I know people clone from flowering plants and somehow, I seem to recall 21 days into bloom was a magic number. Had to do with hormones. They will have to go through a reveg process, but as long as they live...you will have preserved the genetics. Cloning technique is the same. Lots of cloning trchniques out there. Have you had good success before? I can't recall.
ET

squirrelfooker · Oct 21, 2009

I have cloned from 40 days into flower and had them root in 3 days in an aero cloner. Several different strains, all worked fine. They will take several weeks before they start to really grow again and will put out weird growth for awhile.

Equilibrium · Oct 21, 2009

Thanks for the input both of you.
ET, that was my first attempt ever at cloning. 21 days into bloom you say? and Squirrel, aero cloner?

That could do it. I'm gonna try to build one so I can save that pheno.

squirrelfooker · Oct 21, 2009

Equilibrium said:
Thanks for the input both of you.
ET, that was my first attempt ever at cloning. 21 days into bloom you say? and Squirrel, aero cloner?

That could do it. I'm gonna try to build one so I can save that pheno.

Aero or bubble cloner has worked best for me. RO water with maybe 100ppm of nutrients in it. Water temps around 75f. Humidity dome only if they look too dry, I prefer to just mist them a few times a day instead of use a dome. Bubble is kind of easier to make, only need a container, a small fish tank air pump, and a few fish tank air stones. There should be plenty of how to articles here in the forums somewhere.

Technique · Oct 21, 2009

Sounds like your r/w was a little too wet..

i dont quiet like cloning with rw at all dew to this. but it obviously can be done easily.. and you shouldnt be too far into flower to clone.. i do it all the time

wet your cubes 12 hours or more before..
when your ready to take the cuts. cube by cube shake the water out so they are atleast 1/4 the weight they were before.
clone in the way you did before. 90degree cut just below the node and dip into gel or whatever your using..

with the dome and spray.. keep the tops moist with lid on for a day or two..
they should be pretty perky and not wilted. after a few days..

remove lid (but check up on them frequently to see if they are wilting) spray and add lid back on if they are..
try to keep the cubes moist like the weight before, and not over watered

when they stop wilting with lid off back off on the spraying to the tops and spray a little down the stem, and keep cubes a little more moist than before.

this works ok for me! i dont seem to loose any clones.

good luck with it

i keep having problems with my bubble cloner and aero cloner.. i'll build another one soon tho.

Equilibrium · Oct 22, 2009

Squirrelfooker: Thanks again. I will definitely build one of these cloners as I saw a lot of DIY here.

Technique: That's exactly what i thought when I saw the rotted stems. I should have dried them. I think I'm gonna try both techniques so I have a maximum of chances to keep the genetics I want.

Dr Dog · Oct 22, 2009

make sure the area between the medium and the stem is completely closed off, any space there can allow the dampening off(the rot)

Basically what I mean, is that hole that you inserted the stem into, get that touching the stem all he way around

Equilibrium · Oct 25, 2009

Thanks for the tip Dr Dog. I did not take the time to do it, it may be the cause of my root rot.

Eveything is going fine in the flower room, nothing to report except a noticeable stretch.