Perpetual set up a few Q's

[ruthless]

After being ripped off of my outdoor grow this year (stolen before they was ready!!!) Im going to be moving back indoors. The goal is to be producing 50 oz a month. Plant numbers are no problem as i have plenty of space to play with im just wondering how many lights i would need, how often to take clones when to flower them, how many mother plants i would need to sustain a supply of clones and any other tips you might have from people who have grown this way before.

THANKS!!

 

[p1ninja]

I would go with four 4'x4' trays or four 3'x6' trays, whichever your space and budget will permit. If you go with the 4'x4' trays I would place them together in pairs so you essentially have two 4'x8' tray sections, but the purpose of using four seperate 4'x4' trays is so you can have four seperate reservoirs to set up your perpetual harvest (harvest one 4'x4' tray every 2-3 weeks). Find those nice 8-9 week strains you like and start each tray 2 weeks apart. Either way, with the 3'x6' trays or with the 4'x4's paired up, try running two 600w lights on a light rail mover over each tray (either two over each 3'x6' tray or two over each 4'x8' tray section if using 4'x4' method). You should hit around 2lbs per tray on the 3'x6' with the 2 600w on a mover or at least 3lb with the 4'x8' tray setup, same light setup. 40 gal reservoirs will be just fine. get you a 55 gal drum also to store your R/O water.

As for clones, set up a seperate veg room. I like using the eight bulb T5 setups by hydrofarm. You can fit twenty-four of the 6" coco pots in a 2'x4' tray under one of the eight bulb T5 setups perfectly. Get two or three of these T5 setups to sustain a few moms and clones for your perpetual. I use flood and drain for my plants in veg and drip for flower.

If you are going to run 3'x6' trays in flower you can transplant 6" coco pots from veg into a 10" coco pot and fit eighteen per 3'x6' tray or sixteen per 4'x4' tray.

When I transplant with the 6" coco pots, I don't remove the plant from the 6" coco pot, just bury it about half way on top of the 10" coco pot for larger root masses, works great. It depends upon your strain and how many plant sites you want in each tray, which is determined by the growth structure of whatever strain your runnin, more isn't always better. With 18 good size plants in a 3'x6' tray, 2oz per plant should be attainable without too much difficulty, which boils down to 2.25lbs per harvested 3'x6' tray, one every 2-3 weeks works for me.

EDIT: frequency of your cloning will depend upon your strains. two moms for each tray you have in flower is more than enough.

Not sure what else you want covered, just ask...

Good luck

 

[ruthless]

Thats great thank you very much!

 

[pinkskunk]

thats an excellent run down,i was so absorbed reading that! those numbers and the way you put it,makes me wanna try this,perhaps on a smaller scale. how do you think i might go putting just one plant in my tent every two weeks and have just four all together? 600 watt hps 1m square by 2m tall.. say 5 or six gal pots? wool/perlite flood to waste?

 

[p1ninja]

thats an excellent run down,i was so absorbed reading that! those numbers and the way you put it,makes me wanna try this,perhaps on a smaller scale. how do you think i might go putting just one plant in my tent every two weeks and have just four all together? 600 watt hps 1m square by 2m tall.. say 5 or six gal pots? wool/perlite flood to waste?

Definately man-- you can setup a perpetual with however plants you would like. Sounds like you will have some good size trees with just four plants under a 600w. Personally I would go with smaller pots and put a couple extral plants. Six plants in the 10" coco pots would work great under a single 600w.

Peace,

 

[pinkskunk]

thanx p1 i like the coco aswell thouh iv not flowered any plants indoors,i have been cloning and vegging alot of plants over the last 12months getting that down pat,and i have been using coco with neem im not sure if i can say the brand,it starts with shri lanka. anyway plants seem to love it. what kind of yeild would you say i could pull from each plant with decent genetics ofcourse..? like i wanna atleast get 10 oz every harvest,as i smoke every day for my severe ulcerative colitis.

 

[Kushed]

Hey p1, what about cooling the rezs? Is that necessary? I've never done an ebb a flow is that what were talkin bout here? excuse me if Im wrong ive never done anything hydro but this sounds like an interesting idea i might wanna try out

 

[p1ninja]

pinkskunk- decent genetics? what genetics are you looking into? What size room, lights, system, etc. are you working with??

kushed- depending upon how hot it gets where you live during the summer, you may need to cool your reservoirs, but i don't. being on a cement floor helps keep the reservoirs cool. if you are in a carpeted room, make sure you take up the carpet and pad so you can set the res. on bare concrete (stays much cooler). i run a drip feed via spikes.

 

[pinkskunk]

1m x 1m x 2m

 

[pinkskunk]

600watt cooltube indoor elements grow tent. iv got few strains gonna test em all and see which suits me best. by decent genes i mean heavy yeilder and potent.i have a couple of nice indica strains though i like the sativa highs.

 

[Moldy Dreads]

I would go with four 4'x4' trays or four 3'x6' trays, whichever your space and budget will permit. If you go with the 4'x4' trays I would place them together in pairs so you essentially have two 4'x8' tray sections, but the purpose of using four seperate 4'x4' trays is so you can have four seperate reservoirs to set up your perpetual harvest (harvest one 4'x4' tray every 2-3 weeks). Find those nice 8-9 week strains you like and start each tray 2 weeks apart. Either way, with the 3'x6' trays or with the 4'x4's paired up, try running two 600w lights on a light rail mover over each tray (either two over each 3'x6' tray or two over each 4'x8' tray section if using 4'x4' method). You should hit around 2lbs per tray on the 3'x6' with the 2 600w on a mover or at least 3lb with the 4'x8' tray setup, same light setup. 40 gal reservoirs will be just fine. get you a 55 gal drum also to store your R/O water.

As for clones, set up a seperate veg room. I like using the eight bulb T5 setups by hydrofarm. You can fit twenty-four of the 6" coco pots in a 2'x4' tray under one of the eight bulb T5 setups perfectly. Get two or three of these T5 setups to sustain a few moms and clones for your perpetual. I use flood and drain for my plants in veg and drip for flower.

If you are going to run 3'x6' trays in flower you can transplant 6" coco pots from veg into a 10" coco pot and fit eighteen per 3'x6' tray or sixteen per 4'x4' tray.

When I transplant with the 6" coco pots, I don't remove the plant from the 6" coco pot, just bury it about half way on top of the 10" coco pot for larger root masses, works great. It depends upon your strain and how many plant sites you want in each tray, which is determined by the growth structure of whatever strain your runnin, more isn't always better. With 18 good size plants in a 3'x6' tray, 2oz per plant should be attainable without too much difficulty, which boils down to 2.25lbs per harvested 3'x6' tray, one every 2-3 weeks works for me.

EDIT: frequency of your cloning will depend upon your strains. two moms for each tray you have in flower is more than enough.

Not sure what else you want covered, just ask...

Good luck

Excellent P1, sounds great, when mine is up to speed I'm going to try to dial the room in kind like you mentioned, I just need to find the right genes first. Have definitely had excellent results with ebb/flow tables, but in flower you use drip huh, I bet that helps with humidity.

 

[p1ninja]

pinkskunk- I think a good goal for your tent with a 600w on your first run would be .75 grams per watt or 450 grams (1lb). Are you running C02? If not, that should be one of your first upgrades ASAP. A good tent is an excellent sealed environment to run C02, it's a must! What kind of medium and nutes are you going to run?

 

[pinkskunk]

more than likely gonna use coco and canna nutes. would a lb be possible since its a perpetual in a small space,i could see a lb if the whole tent was in flower.

 

[Brazilianfire]

My favorite subject! Perpetual! IMO go with 3k hps parabolic hoods . Go with a good EASY soil or promix setup and select an easy feed like miracle grow organics with blood meal and bone meal. Use large beer cups for pots like the 18oz ones minimum. Purchase 2 400w MH lights for veg. Veg 10 mothers in 2 gal either hydro ebb and flow or just organic soil. You can fit at the Max 200 Clones per 1000w light. I've seen each clone in 18oz beer cups produce minimum 5 grams to one Oz per plant. WOW! think of that times 3, or 4! Your guaranteed good numbers with that plant count and you can keep the medicine coming. Also its hassle free other than taking ALL those clones. Just a thought, and happy harvest!

 

[p1ninja]

oh....well fill that tent up man!

i was saying 1lb with your tent full. 450g for your 600w should be achievable in that tent.

 

[pinkskunk]

hey brazilian fire that sound awsome although im not prepared for the hefty jail sentence id recieve for that kind of grow.