Little effect from sublingual drops

[igrowone]

Just curious if this is from me or my process
I've cooked up many batches of hash oil over the years, but had never tried sublingual drops before
So I brewed some green dragon from some very potent northern lights with 40% vodka
Tried several amounts, up to about 20 drops. Do get an effect, just not much. Bit of a body high.
This has turned out to be quite a waste of medicine so far. Curious if anyone else has had a similar experience

 

[SuperConductor]

40% is quite low for an extraction and any higher alcohol is too painful to hold under the tongue for long so your best bet is glycerin/glycerol. It's still not the same effect as smoking more like eating but much faster effect. If you tolerance is high already then it'll be less effective too. I've got a medium tolerance and get a nice effect from 4-6 drops.

 

[igrowone]

40% is quite low for an extraction and any higher alcohol is too painful to hold under the tongue for long so your best bet is glycerin/glycerol. It's still not the same effect as smoking more like eating but much faster effect. If you tolerance is high already then it'll be less effective too. I've got a medium tolerance and get a nice effect from 4-6 drops.

thanks for the advice superconductor
i was mulling that over with the glycerol, guess it's the long wait that puts me off
but 40% ethanol does extract oil with plenty of kick, just brings along a lot of junk you usually don't want to inhale
but that didn't bother me much for sublingual, nothing wrong with a little chlorophyll under the tongue
but i'm suspicious that 40% doesn't work well for sublingual
i also have very active salivary glands, which i'm also wondering if may be limiting my effect
+rep for helping out

 

[SuperConductor]

You can heat it so it's done in two hours Saliva is annoying i just sit with my head back for a minute and it's not too bad.
I've seen posts like this before though I reckon it's like vaporisers they just don't work for everyone.

 

[igrowone]

i'd rep you twice for the heat info, system won't let me though
i get great results frm vaping, i can barely vape 1/30 of a gram of this weed
which is maybe just how it goes for me

 

[somebody041]

i've been wanting to make some sublingual drops for a while. glad i read this thread!

 

[igrowone]

i've been wanting to make some sublingual drops for a while. glad i read this thread!

glad it helped a bit
might want to start low, i only did a gram or so of weed
the effect was interesting - to me it felt like no THC and all CBD
of course i'm not a cannabinoid analyzer, but that's what it felt like

 

[pikes peak 69]

My experience with Glycerin Tincture is that there is very little head High and mostly body. Most users of my tincture describe it as making their body and joints "fluid". Some do get a head kick but mostly body.

HTH
pp69

 

[igrowone]

i see quite a few reports that mention more body than head
see other reports that say they get a real potent hit from drops, and don't seem to mention a lack of head effect
for the moment, bit disappointed, vaping may be what i stick with

 

[SuperConductor]

When you used a gram of weed how much solvent did you use? When I make mine I pour the glycerin over the weed so it's just barely enough to cover the material, using as little glyc as possible.

When I was looking for the recipe I read that herbalists only use fresh material for (non weed) tincs. The one I made recently was with very fresh material, a small branch from a plant with a week or two before it was finished, and it does seem stronger than one I made with cured buds but it's definitely got loads of clorophyl in it. I'll need to do a test with the same weed dry and fresh and see which is best.

The head is certainly different, you don't get the sustained buzz you do from smoking or vaping, less of a hit and more of a sliding into the high type of effect. Not as enjoyable for rectreation but good for medicating when you can't smoke or vap.

 

[danut]

You have to heat the material.

In the plant both thc and cbd exist in a non active form.

To activate these compounds you have to apply heat.

Otherwise you are consuming the inactive forms.

In this case, I would preheat the weed you were going to use for the extraction in an oven set to ~175 F for one hour.

Then do the extraction.

 

[igrowone]

When you used a gram of weed how much solvent did you use? When I make mine I pour the glycerin over the weed so it's just barely enough to cover the material, using as little glyc as possible.

When I was looking for the recipe I read that herbalists only use fresh material for (non weed) tincs. The one I made recently was with very fresh material, a small branch from a plant with a week or two before it was finished, and it does seem stronger than one I made with cured buds but it's definitely got loads of clorophyl in it. I'll need to do a test with the same weed dry and fresh and see which is best.

The head is certainly different, you don't get the sustained buzz you do from smoking or vaping, less of a hit and more of a sliding into the high type of effect. Not as enjoyable for rectreation but good for medicating when you can't smoke or vap.

i did just cover the chopped up bud with solvent
my bud was cured though, i didn't end up with much in the way of chlorophyll, more of a brown color, brown dragon i guess
interesting on the fresh/dried experience
i just happen to have a revegged mother that i was going to dispose of(used for cloning), maybe i'll try that leaf

 

[igrowone]

You have to heat the material.

In the plant both thc and cbd exist in a non active form.

To activate these compounds you have to apply heat.

Otherwise you are consuming the inactive forms.

In this case, I would preheat the weed you were going to use for the extraction in an oven set to ~175 F for one hour.

Then do the extraction.

thanks danut, i did heat but not in the usual way
i gently boiled the weed/vodka mixture for about 3 hours
boiled down till almost all liquid was gone, then added back the original volume of vodka
shook off and on for about a half hour
but i am wondering if this did the job or not, may not have the same effect as dry heat
+rep for the help

 

[boroboro]

I think I use more tincture for a dose. I gave up on the sublingual idea, since I'm using Bacardi 151 and my mouth really isn't happy having that stuff in it for long. I just put a dose in some regular tea and drink the tea.

I think I may use more ethanol than you fine folks, though. 1.5 ounce medium to poor buds in 750ml booze is my average ratio. With this a dose is around 8ml for me. Much larger dose than the sublingual / cooked down recipes call for, but it works for me

I do toast the weed like danut says, and simmer the soup before straining. Some day I'd like to try a glycerin extraction with cooking the glycerin / cannabis soup at a higher temperature, maybe 140-150C. My last glycerin extraction was poor, I think because I didn't heat the soup enough, or agitate enough, for the poor solvent qualities of the glycerin to get the job done.

igrowone, simmering down the ethanol mixture probably happens at a max temperature of only 80C or so (can't remember ethanol's boiling point off-hand, but it's lower than water and somewhere in that neighborhood). To add a bit more heat, I've been simmering the soup in a sealed container in a pot of boiling water. That way it cooks at 100C, hopefully a bit more effective than 80C (or whatever that is...).

 

[igrowone]

I think I use more tincture for a dose. I gave up on the sublingual idea, since I'm using Bacardi 151 and my mouth really isn't happy having that stuff in it for long. I just put a dose in some regular tea and drink the tea.

I think I may use more ethanol than you fine folks, though. 1.5 ounce medium to poor buds in 750ml booze is my average ratio. With this a dose is around 8ml for me. Much larger dose than the sublingual / cooked down recipes call for, but it works for me

I do toast the weed like danut says, and simmer the soup before straining. Some day I'd like to try a glycerin extraction with cooking the glycerin / cannabis soup at a higher temperature, maybe 140-150C. My last glycerin extraction was poor, I think because I didn't heat the soup enough, or agitate enough, for the poor solvent qualities of the glycerin to get the job done.

igrowone, simmering down the ethanol mixture probably happens at a max temperature of only 80C or so (can't remember ethanol's boiling point off-hand, but it's lower than water and somewhere in that neighborhood). To add a bit more heat, I've been simmering the soup in a sealed container in a pot of boiling water. That way it cooks at 100C, hopefully a bit more effective than 80C (or whatever that is...).

lots of info boroboro, glad to hear of more tincture experience
i am suspicious that my boil technique was the weak point, but i did boil down until i think the alcohol was pretty much gone, mostly water at that point? not sure
i may give the tincture method a bit of a rest, my grows are on the small side so can't have too many bad experiments
+rep for your experiences, learning a bit at a time here