Feeding meat to composting worms?

[maryjohn]

Ganja, your narrow and misguided approach to language does not serve you well. Definitions are a result as well as an given. you seem unable to appreciate this dual nature. For example, compost is as much a functional part of a technology as it is the end result of a defined process. Maybe for once you can look up the etymology and tell us how you are wrong. It is wrong to expect others to only allow for one definition of a word, and just plain stupid to expect others to listen to your substance as you simultaneously change the focus to how they use language. Even worse, it diminishes you internal dialogue and cuts off avenues. I really recommend you learn a second language related to English, preferably a Latin one. German is great but the similar words are not in this field.

Night soil is and has been used by many cultures for food production safely and for quite a long time. Probably more time than it will take our own to self destruct. Our civilized approach consists of dumping effluent or effluent processed to reduce pathogens in our waters, resulting in over nutrification.

I will be trying some bokashi COMPOSTED meat very soon.

Worms merely facilitate and modify what is going on. In the end it is aerobic processing of organic matter.

 

[ganja din]

Ganja, your narrow and misguided approach to language does not serve you well. Definitions are a result as well as an given. you seem unable to appreciate this dual nature.

Ummm, OK, thanks I guess

For example, compost is as much a functional part of a technology as it is the end result of a defined process.

That made no sense, at least to me. What point are you trying to make?

Maybe for once you can look up the etymology and tell us how you are wrong.

Sure, if I was wrong, but I don't believe I am, and neither do the big guns in composting. It's not like I'm making these terms up or anything. Why don't you lurk on the "US Composting Council" list-serve for a while? Many people who are the top in the field of composting are there. Try and write to them what you write to me.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I just use my rock to post messages....

Oh, wait, you don't know what a "rock" is? Well, some stupid people like to call it by it's proper name, a "computer"...those people are just silly, my rock works fine.

It is wrong to expect others to only allow for one definition of a word, and just plain stupid to expect others to listen to your substance as you simultaneously change the focus to how they use language.

Wow, did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

I'm not changing the threads focus (ie. topic), I only mentioned that compost terms in passing, that's why I added the "FWIW". If you want to be as smart as you like to think you are, then using proper terms is a no brainier.

Even worse, it diminishes you internal dialogue and cuts off avenues. I really recommend you learn a second language related to English, preferably a Latin one. German is great but the similar words are not in this field.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TAKING ABOUT? Actually, don't' worry about it, please don't respond, I don't' feel like having any further discussions with you. I thought you 'backed off' after you temper tantrums in the 'mycorrhizae' thread...I guess I was wrong.

Night soil is and has been used by many cultures for food production safely and for quite a long time.

I would take out the 'safely' part, and given an option, night soil (eg. human crap) is not used by anyone who understands pathogens... And like I wrote, IF one can properly hot compost human crap then it can be used, but there is always a risk and NO 1st world Government I'm aware of allows for it use on food crops.

Probably more time than it will take our own to self destruct. Our civilized approach consists of dumping effluent or effluent processed to reduce pathogens in our waters, resulting in over nutrification.

No. Our solution is from raw sewage into bio-solids...please read up before trying to bash me. There are many laws agaist dumping waste (even bio-soilds) into stereams, etc. Sure, it used to happen as you write, but not anymore, at least no legally in most every state I know of.

I will be trying some bokashi COMPOSTED meat very soon.

Haha, trying what? To eat it? Oh, wait, you want to feed vermiculture worms meat...good luck with that. I don't get it, why do people disregard science and hard facts?

Worms merely facilitate and modify what is going on. In the end it is aerobic processing of organic matter.

Yes, exactly! It's "aerobic processing of organic matter", NOT "compost", or you could also call it "vermicast" is you dont' want to type "aerobic processing of organic matter" all the time. (you didn't mean to put your foot in your mouth did you?...haha)


@ ALL:

I will no longer respond to 'bashing' posts toward me. It's a waste of my time, and lowers me to a level I'd rather not be at. SO, if anyone bashes me or the info I am provding, you will be ignored. UNLESS, you have references to legit sources of info proving me wrong, then please, post away

 

[Microbeman]

@ ALL:

I will no longer respond to 'bashing' posts toward me. It's a waste of my time, and lowers me to a level I'd rather not be at. SO, if anyone bashes me or the info I am provding, you will be ignored. UNLESS, you have references to legit sources of info proving me wrong, then please, post away

Me too....unless you make me really mad

 

[maryjohn]

Nobody bashed you, so kindly chill out. Your culturally insensitive rant about composting poo, as microbe alluded to suffers from cultural superiority. Not per se an untruth but often leads there.

If you can't take the heat, don't throw napalm at greengenes. I wrote my critique with your maturity and dispassionate approach to the ideas of others.

As for your comments on language, I can approach this only at a real keyboard. Your approach is in a word "scientific parochialism".

 

[maryjohn]

Ummm, OK, thanks I guess


That made no sense, at least to me. What point are you trying to make?

I made the point. some will get it some won't.

Sure, if I was wrong, but I don't believe I am, and neither do the big guns in composting. It's not like I'm making these terms up or anything. Why don't you lurk on the "US Composting Council" list-serve for a while? Many people who are the top in the field of composting are there. Try and write to them what you write to me.

Merriam Webster is not my favorite, but here is what it says under the main entry for "compost": 1 : a mixture that consists largely of decayed organic matter and is used for fertilizing and conditioning land
2 : mixture, compound

notice entry 2. that's pretty broad isn't it? In french, applesauce is compôte de pommes. In older french this could have been compost. Would you like some apple compost with your meal?

see? language is a tricky thing, and even when you know where you tread it's easy to get tangled if you are too rigid. it's going to happen if you read too many scientific materia without taking in some of the old bard or maybe the blind poet. Science is about narrow answers to narrow questions when you get down to it. But language is about broadening and enveloping new ideas.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I just use my rock to post messages....

Oh, wait, you don't know what a "rock" is? Well, some stupid people like to call it by it's proper name, a "computer"...those people are just silly, my rock works fine.

This analogy falls apart under closer scrutiny, especially if you work it backwards. Say, with the word "faggot".

Wow, did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

come on now, I wasn't so harsh. not a single thing in there that is negative and about you. Normally I would be sensitive to your feelings, but you professed intellectual openness. I figured you needed no disclaimers so I gave it to you straight: you are clueless on the topic of language and should either remain silent on the linguistic choices of others, or at the very least learn etymologies and notable facts pertaining to words you wish to correct. I assure you though, it is a fruitless task in English. Our language has no official academy like French does.

I'm not changing the threads focus (ie. topic), I only mentioned that compost terms in passing, that's why I added the "FWIW". If you want to be as smart as you like to think you are, then using proper terms is a no brainier.

ay, not changing the thread's focus. I was thinking smaller scale. Like at the level of delivering the idea to a specific person. see how you reacted when I tried to "teach" you? that's how most people react when you try to impose you manner of speech. feels normal to you but invasive and imperious to many.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TAKING ABOUT? Actually, don't' worry about it, please don't respond, I don't' feel like having any further discussions with you. I thought you 'backed off' after you temper tantrums in the 'mycorrhizae' thread...I guess I was wrong.

It's bad form to disinter buried hatchets.

I would take out the 'safely' part, and given an option, night soil (eg. human crap) is not used by anyone who understands pathogens... And like I wrote, IF one can properly hot compost human crap then it can be used, but there is always a risk and NO 1st world Government I'm aware of allows for it use on food crops.

You need to re-read greengenes more carefully as he chooses his words. he noted "Dog poop, rat poop, people poop, meat, all as safe in the compost or worm bin as they are in the environment". Note the pertinent modifiers.

No. Our solution is from raw sewage into bio-solids...please read up before trying to bash me. There are many laws agaist dumping waste (even bio-soilds) into stereams, etc. Sure, it used to happen as you write, but not anymore, at least no legally in most every state I know of.

Oh, so the great lakes and eastern seaboard management plan that is coming in to play partially to deal with this issue should not bother? Sir, I have personally paddled through enough treated an untreated releases planned and unplanned, read about enough well closings, and seen too many deadzones to believe we have waste treatment remotely figured out. We have no national system to speak of, for monitoring or enforcements, and entrenched economic interests are able to play the states off each other to block changes that could shift profit around.

Not farming with poop is safer in some ways, but if we don't deal with the poop in the end we just shit on our own feces.


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[jaykush]

ok......this threads getting a little boring.....the quoting is annoying.

if i was going to compost meat, i would feed it to black soldier flies, then feed the BSF castings to my worms then use the worm castings to feed my plants.

that being said. why waste meat on worms when it taste better in your mouth?

 

[maryjohn]

jay, my little experiment will be with lobster carcass, some chicken parts, and some turkey slices we just plain did not like and were going to let spoil. it's all being bokash'd before feeding it to wormies.

I'm as doubtful as anyone that it will work or be problematic due to rats or rot or other problem.

I'm also with you on the quoting, but I got shot down long ago on a motion for brevity or at least fragmentation.

 

[P-NUT]

just to clarify something composted human shit is used on foodcrops here in america. look up n-viro soil its produced around here at the landfill from human waste thats composted then dried to a powder and its applied to most orange groves in this area. I know this is disheartenung but its absolutely true seen it first hand. Most hay pastures and cattle pastures use it too. Its approved for all foodcrops. My favorite creek is fucked from all that shit they dumped near it. They are gonna spend millions to find out where all the nitrates, cadmium and lead are coming from when any local could tell ya its all the sludge they dumped on the sod fields on both sides of the creek. Milorganite available at any home depot is also human waste and allowed to be used on foodcrops.

 

[ganja din]

just to clarify something composted human shit is used on foodcrops here in america. look up n-viro soil its produced around here at the landfill from human waste thats composted then dried to a powder and its applied to most orange groves in this area.

That is not 'shit' and is not compost. It is "bio-solids", I have written about this OM before. It's nothing at all like compost. Bio-solids are pathogen free, that is why that can be used on food crops.

The steps are thus:

"sewage sludge" > "digested sludge" > "activated sludge" (aka "bio-solids)

I know this is disheartenung but its absolutely true seen it first hand.

Why would it be disheartening? If it was correct I would be happy to be wrong, then I can be right. That's the key you guys miss, it's OK to be wrong!

Thanks for keeping me on my toes, (I mean that)

HTH

 

[maryjohn]

He's disheartened by over nutrification of our waters ganja din, regardless of source. Too much food is too much food, whether processed or dumped directly into the water. Coliform bacteria is a secondary concern really, compared to the problem of too many nutrients and anoxia.

It's called non point source pollution, aka the death of a thousand cuts. between the excess nutrients in available form applied in ways that wash away (night soil was buried deeply in china I believe), and all the tilling and creating of impervious surfaces, we are smothering our coastal environments and our lakes and streams.

 

[P-NUT]

I'd rather take my chances with bacteria I've evolved to resisist than using bio solids(aka composted shit with alkaline material added) that contains God knows what heavy metals and industrial chemicals. And not to sling shit so to speak but bio solids are shit or at least started its existence that way. If your lucky you get biosolids with lime as the additive but if your near a coal power plant you get ash with tons of arsenic, mercury, lead and all kinds of other toxic goodies.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

When I did the traditional method with worm bins, I didn't try any meat. I do put it in the compost which often gets cold enough that red worms work in the vicinity, and I've seen them on meat leftovers. I imagine they'd appreciate small amounts even living in a box. Don't see why not.

 

[FrankRizzo]

Like jay said. Run all these types of things through a BSF bin and then feed it to your worms. Has worked for me. I haven't used human turds thought. Just meat, dairy, etc.

 

[maryjohn]

So far the worms are all over the lobster, but the chicken bones have no meat left. Apparently it melted in the bokashi bin?

Bsf would process it, but at a huge loss unless you have chickens or are composting the actual grubs (start with your bare feet and a vat of bsf)

 

[maryjohn]

ok, i have officially added land animal flesh. I think turkey and pork (pickled). I'm afraid to go look.

god I really hope this doesn't smell. I put it in my favorite bin.

 

[journeyquest]

My worms only eat prime rib.

 

[maryjohn]

So far the only problem I have is mold from a piece of cardboard covering one of my bins. But the worms are eating it so no biggie.

 

[jjfoo]

I'm confused on some things. I throw a lot of clean looking fruit scrapes and coffee into a worm bin. Stuff like meat gets bokashi'd. Why would I feed bokashi compost to my worms instead of plants? What value do they add? I mean isn't it ready when it is done composting? I assume there are different breaking down processes here. Do worms that eat composted leaves have better castings than worms that eat fresh leaves?

I'm having trouble understanding why 'dog guano' is more dangerous than bat guano.

If I want to use dog poop should I first bokashi it then feed it to worms or would just one of these be enough?

 

[maryjohn]

Bokashi is not composting. Think pickling. And all my scraps go in there. I can feed meat, aliums, citrus, whatever. The worms go crazy and it goes real fast.

 

[jjfoo]

Anyone done any composting with black soldier fly larvae? They eat meet and greens (high nitrogen stuff).