1st dwc grow in pc case, follow me on this journey little gnomes.

[mindvoice]

mindvoice, two things.

1. I wouldnt actually put your location under your avatar. If that is the city in which you really live, I'd delete it/ change it to some place where you dont live.....

2. Dont use a card to buy anything cannabis related. Especially seeds or growing equipment. You need to pay with cash/money order.

actually there is a 3rd.

3. I hope you havent told ANYBODY you are growing because if your the only one who knows than it cant be accidentally leaked to the wrong people.

You had a nice little plant there, sorry it turned male. Damn balls.

Did you ever get your temps figured out? If I were you I'd turn off the intake fans, remove them, and create a light trap over their holes that air flows through easily. Reason being is that when you have an active intake it blows around air inside the cab and makes the job of the exhaust much more difficult.

With a passive intake the exhaust works much easier and flows better. PC fans need efficiency to work the best.

Is your cab fully light proof? Cause even a small light leak can cause hermies.

Were you running 24/0 the whole time while that male was growing?

I've heard that 24/0 is great for sprouting, than when it grows to the 3rd internode switch 18/6 and the plant will veg better because of the dark period. It needs the darkness to rest and await the next day. Than when you want to flower go 12/12 until harvest.


I just read your whole thread today and it looks like you could grow a damn good scrog in there man!!!! pulling up a chair.

Yeah for the lighting, I started at 24 hours but then I thought after it sprouted that 12/12 would flower it much earlier, basically skipping vegging in order to keep the plant shorter. The agenda was basically height. I like the lighting schedule you wrote and I'll probably do something like that, like give it a mini vegging period.

Now my cab wasn't fully light proof. In fact when I had the pc case closed in my closet, you could still see some light leaking out of the closet. I didn't realize this could cause a plant to become hermi. I guess I should get some electrical tape and cardboard r something and make sure less light is escaping. Do you know why this causes a hermi? is it because of less light intensity?

For my temps, I basically would just leave the pc case out of the closet and when people would come over I would roll it into the closet, I built a little roller stand for the pc case so I wouldn't spill the water inside when I moved it around.

I'll look into passive intakes. Cus I'm still new to this and can't say I have a great understanding of the fans. From what I gather you're suggesting that I remove the fan blowing air in, cover it up so no light leaks, and leave the fan blowing air out. If this is correct should I leave any breathing holes where the fan that was blowing air in was?

Last thing, do you think porkers come to this website? I remember overgrow and they were shut down, but I don't know the specifics as to why.

 

[Hella THC]

What's LEO tho?

Law Enforcement Officer

do you think porkers come to this website?

You must ALWAYS assume they do. The fun thing is, you can say stuff like...

Hey you fuckin donut muncher, get back to work and stop reading a forum. My tax dollars are paying for your worthless ass!

... and they just have to read it and weep. Lots of people use this board to sound off on LEOs, because we all need an outlet, and its a nice passive aggressive way to say "fuck off" to the curly tailed ones.

- Hella

 

[Hella THC]

One more thing. Mindvoice, you seem very concerned with security and are asking lots of basic forum security questions. Check out this thread...

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=134365

Most of your questions and concerns will be answered/put to rest by reading this.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Hey you fuckin donut muncher, get back to work and stop reading a forum. My tax dollars are paying for your worthless ass!

Haha! (I doubt it lets me give it though)

My own video recommendation is "In Pot We Trust". If you google it, it's free to watch on google video.

Never felt quite as much like punching my screen as seeing that poor girl with the speech impediment. It sickens me the things humans do to each other. I believe she was miss high times or something, after that, so I hope she has no problems getting medication these days.

It's also good to watch if you're an outdoor grower because they have the camera in the chopper as they attempt to ruin more people's lives.

Stay strong!

 

[mindvoice]

i'll check out in pot we trust.

 

[Mk3Jetta]

Yeah for the lighting, I started at 24 hours but then I thought after it sprouted that 12/12 would flower it much earlier, basically skipping vegging in order to keep the plant shorter. The agenda was basically height. I like the lighting schedule you wrote and I'll probably do something like that, like give it a mini vegging period.

Now my cab wasn't fully light proof. In fact when I had the pc case closed in my closet, you could still see some light leaking out of the closet. I didn't realize this could cause a plant to become hermi. I guess I should get some electrical tape and cardboard r something and make sure less light is escaping. Do you know why this causes a hermi? is it because of less light intensity?

For my temps, I basically would just leave the pc case out of the closet and when people would come over I would roll it into the closet, I built a little roller stand for the pc case so I wouldn't spill the water inside when I moved it around.

I'll look into passive intakes. Cus I'm still new to this and can't say I have a great understanding of the fans. From what I gather you're suggesting that I remove the fan blowing air in, cover it up so no light leaks, and leave the fan blowing air out. If this is correct should I leave any breathing holes where the fan that was blowing air in was?

Last thing, do you think porkers come to this website? I remember overgrow and they were shut down, but I don't know the specifics as to why.

light leaks can cause hermi's because you introduce light during the 'sleep'/dark period. And thats no good.

Take out your intake fans, the ones blowing air in, and leave the holes open. This will create a passive intake. Your exhaust fans will be pulling air through those holes. What you need now is to make a light trap over those holes that allows air to be pulled in but stops light from escaping.

Painting the inside of ur light trap flat black will help A LOT.

 

[mindvoice]

mk3Jetta, oh I had misunderstood you before about the light leak I was looking at it backwards, I'm a pothead so.... but yeah I'll make sure that when i start the new grow to have no light leaking in.

ok, so i'll take out the intake fans, the ones blowing air in, and where those fans were there will be just a big hole. so then I'll make a cardboard cutout and leave a gap between the cutout and the pc case so that way air comes in but light doesn't come in. I'll probably make the cutout bigger than the hole.

sounds great, thanks for the advice dude. so you think it should with the temps? the plants don't need wind blowing on them or nothing?

 

[mindvoice]

Damn, sorry to hear it.

You could at least make cannabutter out of them or hash.

Yeah I didn't even think of that. I had kind of flushed them in a panic one night when I thought there was a cop car in front of the house and it was the same night this streetrat had sent a message to my phone over the internet asking for some herb and some relay guy intercepted it, so I was just all paranoid when the plants were flushed, and at the time I just thought they were worthless males, i didn't kno better. It did feel wrong tho, cus I could smell the chlorophyll and all that so it still felt kinda like murder like, what a waste. However, I did just learn how to make cannabutter from the cooking section of this site and I ordered some of that cheese cloth material to strain it. I'm gonna try two sticks of butter with half an ounce of reggies. Do you think that's enough? or should I use chronic? Also, do you know if vaporized weed still could have thc in it?

 

[ScrubNinja]

Hey bro, vaped weed should still have signifigant levels in it to chuck in your butter mix. I think vaping takes out mostly the thc, but there is still a lot of cannabinoids in the leftovers because they don't vaporize, or not at the same temps, or some such. If you ever noticed, you get a really up high from vaping, so basically the stuff left over is the reverse - couchlocky, and a little weak (in general). Depends how much it's been vaped too I guess.

Take a look at the light trap thing in my sig, man. I tell everyone to make it out of aluminium, but Fatigues suggested making them out of this plastic sheeting stuff. I think if you were pretty handy with an exacto-knife, you could make a pretty passable imitation out of cardboard. I think it would be a lot better than just a sheet of cardboard in front of the intake anyway. See what you think.

So what exactly is a relay guy??? He works for the phone company and just reads through people's texts to make sure no evil is being done? That seems kind of invasive. I mean, how did he get to see your message and is that legal?

 

[mindvoice]

oh the relay guy for some reason is the one whose job it is to send the message to the cell phone when one gets online and uses sprint's texting feature. If someone is texting you phone to phone you should be protected by the right to privacy, but if you cant afford a phone and go online i guess a person has to relay you kno and thus he claimed he could report it if I responded yes that I got herb.

Thanks for the info on the vaped weed, I did notice from the vaporizer it's a really up high. I plan on making some brownies, i guess I have to use a recipe with butter in it. I found some brownies that required oil and water and I figured I'd just use melted canna butter instead of the water and oil.

I also have a speaker a bit bigger than the pc case that i'm planning to convert into a grow box, i'll show pics once that's up and running.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Ah cool, I understand now. With the butter it basically doesnt matter if you use butter or oil, but make sure you use water. No matter who's method you use, add water to it. If the person's recipe doesn't have water in it, I would look for another tutorial beacause that person is dumb. (lol, kidding, sorta)

It's like night and day. It makes cleaner product AND makes the whole process easier. If you look at the waste products of the two methods - with only butter and weed, the waste product is the oily weed that's left over.

With butter, weed, AND water, your waste product is the same oily pile of weed, plus the water which is seperate from the butter obviously - a lot of very murky, green, stinky, chloriphyl heavy gross brown generally disgusting water. So that's the stuff that would be going in your tummy when you use only butter. Good luck with it bro. My first batches were just butter, and it does work, just that water makes so much more sense, and btw it also stops the butter from burning when you forget to check it. And you will forget to check it

Edit: Sorry, now I realise you were talking about your actual food recipe. Yeah that should work.

 

[mindvoice]

Ah cool, I understand now. With the butter it basically doesnt matter if you use butter or oil, but make sure you use water. No matter who's method you use, add water to it. If the person's recipe doesn't have water in it, I would look for another tutorial beacause that person is dumb. (lol, kidding, sorta)

It's like night and day. It makes cleaner product AND makes the whole process easier. If you look at the waste products of the two methods - with only butter and weed, the waste product is the oily weed that's left over.

With butter, weed, AND water, your waste product is the same oily pile of weed, plus the water which is seperate from the butter obviously - a lot of very murky, green, stinky, chloriphyl heavy gross brown generally disgusting water. So that's the stuff that would be going in your tummy when you use only butter. Good luck with it bro. My first batches were just butter, and it does work, just that water makes so much more sense, and btw it also stops the butter from burning when you forget to check it. And you will forget to check it

Edit: Sorry, now I realise you were talking about your actual food recipe. Yeah that should work.

Thanks for the advice dude. I'm a little nervous about making canna butter cus its my first time. I'm gonna use 14 grams of regs with two butter sticks as well as the water. I just got the cheesecloth in the mail today to strain it. I was gonna use this recipe for the cannabutter: http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12895

I was gonna use the cannabutter in a brownie recipe that I bought at walmart, just hope the herb translates to the brownies from the canna butter. lol. Would it be easier to just cook the herb right inside the chocolate brownies rather than making cannabutter and then brownies?


Damn, dude today I got pulled over by a DT after I left my local headshop. I was just picking up some minidutches but I guess the cops were watching the store and profiling whoever they thought might have herb in their car. So long story short I was molested and tossed in the back of the DT car, but when they searched my car I had nothing on me, cus I'm not retarded, I don't carry herb in the car, and if I were to have something on me it would've been just what I was smoking which would have been enough for me to break in half and swallow the pieces. So now regardless of me being in the clear my paranoia is back. It was semi-traumatic being tossed in the back of the car with my photo pulled up, has been so long since something like that's happened. It makes one want to burn the American flag because freedom don't come free, the cost is paranoia and fear, and the flag doesn't represent free thinking, liberty, pursuit of happiness, capitalism or free market anymore, it represents profit, exploitation, corruption, war, and obesity. It's just sickening. I just need to go on another tangent cus today was such bullshit.

I'll let you all know how the brownies come out too. Be careful out there and only carry what you plan to smoke guys, heads up.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Ah damn, right after we were talking about that stuff too. The sad bit for me is that it's even worse here. We have no piece of paper saying we have the right to free speech etc. We don't have a lot of those things here. And it seems to bother almost no-one!

Despite some reservations in the past, it seems to me, from the outside, like things are slowly moving ahead these days. I mean, it's pretty damn close to being "legal" in cali etc, right? Dispensaries etc. I was reading one post where their dispensary does deliveries!!!

I tell non-grower people here in oz about the whole US medicinal system and they simply don't believe me. They do not believe that people could legally smoke marijuana. So in a messed up kind of way, you don't have it too bad. Sure it's bad, but there's worse I try to be optimistic when I can.

That recipe you linked looks great. You can mix it into the cake, that's how I did it when I was a kid, but it's sub-par. The cake can turn deep green. You get grit and stems and stuff in your mouth. And the taste is strong. When I eat it a lot, I get reeaal sick of that weed taste, so your link will be very pure and clean.

I'm not too sure how big your sticks equal. and "regs" means just run of the mill street buds, right? with your 14 grams I would guess around 750 grams of butter. But that's a total guess - it doesn't really matter. All the thc is gonna go into the butter anyway. If you want the strongest concentrated butter you can get, go easy on the butter. You can always add more if it looks dry (you'll see what I mean, I'm sure).

The first one will be a bit of a test. Once you work it out, you can get a loose idea of the dose you need. Say you needed 1 tablespoon of the oil to get high - you look on the box and it makes 12 muffins (etc) so you add 12 tablespoons into the mix. I have made some stroooong butters and oils but I find you always have to add more than what the recipe needs - what can ya do. Just try to make the c-butter strong as possible.

Another option is you can get empty pills from health food stores, and make your own pills, lol. I've never done this but I know you should research it as there are some issues you have to watch out for.

Something I need to point out in case you're unaware - When I have a bunch of muffins baked, my life consists of waking up, eating a muffin, staring into space, going to bed. That probably sounds great IT IS! But not for too long. It's very detrimental to other things in your life. Word from the wise. And it will drastically affect your uhhhh, well shit, I forget the word. The next day after muffins you will have to smoke a LOT more weed to get high, is what I'm saying.

Good luck man

Edit: Also, I use a clean t-shirt - new and unworn of course, to filter/squeeze it.

 

[mindvoice]

the amount of butter I used equaled 1 cup, so 1 cup of butter to 14 grams of run of the mill street bud, most likely from Mexico this bud. We'll see how it comes out, I have a crazy tolerance when smoking blunts, so I'm hoping this will be a stronger high. I kinda wanted to quit smoking for a while and just eat my MJ. I still wonder if actual smoke is bad for the lungs. I tend to give marijuana the benefit of the doubt cus it always makes me feel better, so I don't really believe marijuana smoke is that harmful especially when compared to cigarettes. For instance I will never believe one joint equals 4 tobacco cigarettes, like the propaganda says. Tobacco is a constrictor and MJ is a dilator. Well, I'm just hoping this'll have good results. It's good to know that you tried and it worked.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Yup I reckon that's a good amount there. I don't believe any of that health stuff. I am kinda out there in my attitudes, but I don't believe much of anything at all from straight society, stopped watching tv long ago, no magazines, newspapers etc. It rules. Look up Soma, he has a cool website and is an extremely healthy lookin' older smoker. A glow of life in his eyes. I know a lot of healthy old smokers

 

[mindvoice]

I just ate my brownies, with the reggies, and man I must say it's wonderful. Nothin' like it. I think I might just quit smoking for this week entirely. The cannabutter came out perfect, just like the tutorial that I had linked. It was so easy especially with the cheesecloth for straining. I'm really impressed in fact with the quality of the high, and my house don't smell like smoke, so that's cool. Nothing like a good taste of chocolate freedom. I can't stress how awesome the brownies are. I ate like two cupcakes worth of brownies, and that was just enough. Makes music sound more significant as well.

I'll check out soma. see what he's about. I don't really like watching the news myself, so many bad things happening and I don't really like being aware of it all. It's all static, redundant and repulsive. Can do without generally.

What kind of T-shirt do you use? Pure cotton? do you double layer or just single layer when you strain?

 

[ScrubNinja]

I just used single layer - normal cotton t-shirt. If you go nuts squeezing the last drop out, it may rip, but I never had an issue. The strongest mine got was one cupcake, and that was way heavy. I gave a few to friends and half was too much for them. I had a huge tolerance. I think I ate 5 once over a whole day, that was the record. So feel free to use less butter or more weed if you want stronger.

Glad they worked out and if you want something else to try for stealth - have you heard of a water cure? In a nutshell: you soak the weed in water for a week, changing the water each day. Remember how the water in the butter is all green and murky brown whatever and now you don't have to eat that shit cos you poured it out? Well it's the same process.

The THC is not water soluble so the water removes all the chlorophyl, excess ferts, etc. The big bummer about it is that it takes away the smell and taste, so it's kind of like smoking hot air. But because we have removed a lot of the vegetative junk in the buds, there is actually a higher ratio of thc to plant matter after a w-cure. In other words it's stronger, but you won't have as much. Anyway, since it tastes and smells like a generic burny smell, it doesn't smell like dank. I haven't had a good chance to test it out in public but it certainly seems to not smell like weed to me when I'm smoking it.

Edit: I have seen a very approximate figure that you will lose 10% of your weight, but it'll be 10% stronger.

 

[mindvoice]

bro, the cupcakes were perfect. I was left high and impressed. I woke up this morning still stoned. lol. and I haven't even lit up all day which i would've by now normally. I really was skeptical about this brownie thing but I think I will basically have a new marijuana repertoire for now on. I'm definitely gonna leave cooking with marijuana as a possibility which honestly I never really put too much thought into. It was epic for me tho.

Now let me get this right, your saying that if I soak my ganja in water for a week that it can get me higher if done properly and with no smell and unfortunately no taste. That sounds like a freakin god send to me dude, lol. I always go to the drive in movie theater and when I smoke out, there have been occasions where people smell it and come up to my car asking for a hit, only making me paranoid, I always say "what are you talking about?" For stealth reasons it would be good to get rid of the smell also cus at concerts you can pack regular cigarettes up with smell-less marijuana and no one would be the wiser especially if you add just a tiny tobacco, which I know not all weed heads are fond of doing. especially since they spray tobacco with radioactive pesticides. But people around you would assume, "that guys smoking tobacco and killing himself" when in actuality your getting your needed/wanted thc. So I guess a blunt from marijuana soaked in water wouldn't smell like weed really hu? the house shouldn't get stinky? have you tried this soaking process before yourself?

Do you know any good tutorials for doing this water process? I don't mind smoking hot air if it works. I just assumed that the thc would have to bind to something if being soaked. Water itself can't unbind thc right? what about the cannabanoids, cus I appreciate those too, minus the cotton mouth but hey the side effects are part of it. You really stirred up my interest now. I'll try to search for the tutorial, but if you know one that you've tried let me kno so I can use that one.

wow, the possibilities.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Haha yeah bro, the water cure is exactly what you are after! It won't give you *more* thc, but you won't lose any if done correctly. Rough numbers just so you can see what's happening - you buy 10 gms of any kind of bud, even dry stringy crap whatever you call that there, hehe. So after you soak the buds and dry them, you will end up with only 9 gms. But you will still have the same amount of thc (and the other goodies, to my knowledge) in that smaller pile of weed. So you have less weed, but that weed is more concentrated.

I will just let ya search because everyone seems to use the same method, or at least very similar. Look at the pics of the water on the first day, lol. It's even worse when you see and smell it yourself. It foams up like soap when you agitate it!!! ewwww...I just smoked some of that!

Just change the water every day and you should get there. Don't leave it *over* 24 hrs for the first change - you can safely cut that a bit shorter but I do it on 24 so far. I find algae crap will start forming in the first water because there is just so much shit in there. Oh and be very delicate when you change the water etc. You don't want to agitate anything and knock crystals off cos they *will* be lost in the water. And when it's over you need to dry the buds *very* actively! I use a screen so the buds are not sitting on any kind of flat floor and air can get all around them and thinly spread out, and I blast them with high CFMs. Seems to take 2 days to dry. Don't be scared to overdry it or dry it too fast - you want it dry ASAP no exceptions and no chance for mould!

You can remoisten it the usual ways and the smell does pick up a tiny bit after jar curing. It tastes kind of menthol/minty, strange, but not unpleasant. A neat trick I found is that you can spice up the water cured stuff and give it a nice taste by chopping in a little regular non-WC'd weed. It's still smooth etc but it has the taste - I liked it a lot.

Glad I can help on the way to enjoying your weed! It's great stuff man. I learnt so much from ICmag.

These pics were my first water cure and I've done two total.

Some green unflushed weed someone gave me


I had dried it before I thought of WC'ing it:


And here it is:


It smokes harsh at first because you'll try it the second it's (bone) dry. But try to get it remoistened. I can just leave it on the bench here and it will remoisten to the perfect jarring level.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Hey, hahaha, I just thought of another option for you!

But first I should point out that I've never actually smoked the WC'd stuff in front of someone to guage there opinion of the smell to a non-high person. All reports indicate though that it vastly helps in making it not smell like weed, and it doesnt taste much like weed like I said.

Anyway, I went to buy a vape one day to celebrate a bountiful crop and it was the first time I've ever really been in a head shop. Not that it's anything like yours over there I'd imagine - just a small section in a "hipster" type store. Well, kid in a candy store, I came home with quite a bit Are you familiar with the small circular metal grinders? And they have a screen that screws inside so you grind your weed, and shake it, and you collect the fine powder from under the screen. It's basically all trichomes!

What I do is load the grinder up, but before I grind, I stick it in the freezer for say 20 - 30 minutes (its fine to leave it in longer). Then grind and shake immediately and I even hold the thing between my thumb and index finger so as not to heat it up quickly with my hands. Often I'll stick it back in the freezer and reshake.

I found this freezer method helps the trichs break off cleanly and easily, you get waaaaaaaay more trichs than room temp. The only bummer is that moisture condensates or something so your screen blocks up quicker and you gotta clean it with alcohol.

But the pure trichs is basically unpressed hash. I need a really tiny amount to get stoned. Roughly about the size of a matchhead of the uncompressed powder, on a roll-your-own cigarette. Hash is very uncommon here so I've only run into it a handful of times on the streets, but I was under the impression it stinks pretty dank in a spliff like that. Maybe it's just my microscopic tolerance levels that I need so little. But I have smoked these cigarettes in front of friends and they had no idea I was smoking anything other than tobacco. That is my favourite way to stealth smoke now, since water curing is a bit of a procedure.

I should write a freakin' book or something, lol.



Took surprisingly little weed to get that pile, but I used very frosty buds Then I smoked the "waste" weed - it's fine for me. A little weak, and a little couchy. So when I wanna be on crack, I smoke the trichs and it's like I have instant attention deficit! It fucks me up proper bo style