4 & half weeks in to flower problem 1st grow

[GeD]

i think this is normal or is it
water.. tap water of about 8.6ph
it is left for 5 days somtimes more
blah blah
water is 5.6 - 5.8
EC 0.95 shes a bit sensitive she drinkin more water then eatin
hopefuly some1 can tell me more .....

this is my first grow all feed back welcome
shes on a drip 15 min, every 3 an half hours
if ive missd anythin out or u need more info feel free to ask

 

[OC80]

just looks like a little nute burn.

 

[sneakinman13]

is it in a tent? if so how many watts u runnin???
it does look like it could be nute burn...
how much did u feed them last. and what did u feed them???
also whats your vent situation?
in and out vent? ect....

without knowing that stuff i would say. next watering give them lots of plain water. at ur normal p.h.. and they should be alright..

 

[MobbDeep]

Looks like nute burn with a touch of magnesium def..maybe youre nute are locked out..thats why shes not eating as much..I only say mag def cus look at the light green leaves with dark green veins..CLASSIC mag def

 

[GeD]

is it in a tent? if so how many watts u runnin???
it does look like it could be nute burn...
how much did u feed them last. and what did u feed them???
also whats your vent situation?
in and out vent? ect....

without knowing that stuff i would say. next watering give them lots of plain water. at ur normal p.h.. and they should be alright..

100mm filter at the top, ducting, DC pc fan @ 12V, out at the top
and just 100m hole in the middle no fan

Looks like nute burn with a touch of magnesium def..maybe youre nute are locked out..thats why shes not eating as much..I only say mag def cus look at the light green leaves with dark green veins..CLASSIC mag def

cheer, all are right last i checked she drank that much water that fast E.C was 1.02

 

[MynameStitch]

Does someone have a conversion chart, I still have not learned the conversions tds to ppm yet....

Ged have you tested the EC of your tap water that you sit out, before adding any nutrients?

THat is good, if the plant is removing a lot of nutes from your water then it's chances of having nute burn is not very high, nute burn plants will take out more water than nutes and your pH will drop and become acidic if there was too much there.....

Not sure exactly, but if the top part of the plant is also affected, then this MAY be what it is....... not sure until I get more information from you, fill out the questions at the bottom of my post......

That problem does not look like nute burn, looks more like light lumen intensity. I also agree with Mobbdeep, it does look just like a magnesium, flowering plants can send magnesium problems higher up on the plant where in veg it ends up being on the lower part to middle part.

Notice how the inter part of the leaf is whitish in color? Also with your grow tent being white it you keep your lumens in that area rather them bouncing off into areas where your not growing.

All strains are different in terms of light tolerance and the amount of lumens per sq feet of space more to say.

Too much will give your plant the bleach effect, what you are seeing on your leaves are slight effect of light bleaching, very very slowly the brown tissue with the leaves curling upwards is dead tissue that makes it mimic nute burn, also nute burn does not happen on the top half of the plant, normally it's lower to middle leaves. The bleaching effect happens first on the inner part of the leaves in between veins like your seeing now.

Is this happening on the top part of the plant?

Can you fill out these questions below? I know they are a lot, but filling out as much as your can, can help everyone who is helping you; so you can get a better anwer to your problem. To be it looks like a mix of bleaching and magensium possible with the pictures you uploaded.... Can you take a few more of the top part of the plant and some pictures of the other affected leaves as well?


HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics/Coco/Soiless/

How long has this problem been going on?
Are you growing in a PVC grow tent? (example: Hydrohut or any other non brand tents)
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in there mixture they are in now?(coco,soiless etc..)
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using?(If growing soiless)
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
How often are you giving nutrients? (If using soiless)
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's

 

[GeD]

hello stich,
ive come across some of your work b4. Good stuff
glad u can help
it started from the top and workin its way down
my water is E.C 0.11 stight from tap,,and about E.C 0.12-0.13 when sat.
it also has got worse to the smaller leafs
its in a wardrobe coverd in black and white,, width 100cm . hight 180cm .. 70cm deep
i have limited access to it and have to travel far this is where im going wrong i allso dont get a lot of time with it so i take snap shot bring it back to identify the problem
here goes
HYDROPONICS
How long has this problem been going on? ......week
Are you growing in a PVC grow tent? ........wardrobe
What system are you running? ..........on a drip
What STRAIN are you growing?...... unknown
What was the establishing technique? ........seed
What is the age of your plants? ...........6 week veg , 5 week flower
How long have they been in there mixture they are in now? .....pebbles 5 liters of it
How tall are the plants?........ was forced to list @ 55cm :s its bout 70cm
What PHASE are the plants in? ...........flower
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?........ RockWool
What is the Water temperature? ......20c
What color are your roots? .............White
What Nutrient's are you using?(If growing soiless)
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water?..... Vite Max Bloom A&B, 6 liter of water 12ml A ,, 12ml B
How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
How often are you giving nutrients? (If using soiless)
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?... same day
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using? ..... E.C ,, CF ,,
What is the pH of the "Tank"? ....... 5.6
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?...... yes
When was your last watering? ......every 3 1/2 hours
What is your water temps?.......... 20c
When was your last feeding change?..... Vita Max veg
How often do you clean your system...... every 2 weeks
What size bulb are you using? ..... 200W envirolite red spec
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)? i donno
What is the canopy temperature? ........... 24- 29c
What is the Day/Night Temp? .........limited access
What is the current Air Flow? .....pc fan DC @ 12 v pulling out
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? .. ..no are is pulled in but air is pulld out 100mm round holes
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes to make air move ment
Is your water HARD or SOFT? .......soft
What water are you using? .....tap water
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched... just lsted into a S shape
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's.... no

Question...
if im bleaching my girl do i move the light away from her,
if my water E.C is 0.12 do i ad an extra 0.12 on feeding or will this cuase nute burn
also ph alway rasies quick if i lower her feed will it make the ph to try and stay @ around its right ph wil it affect groth with less feed?
can i remove old leafs that are covering buds

 

[MynameStitch]

Hmmmm, very tricky

Could be a mixture of both, I think you got too high of nutes for one, the other it looks like your plants are lacking magneisum.

Why are you using soo much nutes?

 

[GeD]

so my problem is a ph problem
wats a good e.c ? i thort it wont much all ready compared to others, with less nutes would it affect bud groth

 

[MynameStitch]

All strains are different, do not go by someone elses grow or the directions, unless you are using the near the same growing conditions, strain and nutes.

Some strains don't like a lot of food, some are whores!
Your putting more harm on them by giving them too much food, rather than giving them less, plants take longer to heal from nute burn than not having enough.

The whitish part of the leaves, were they close to your bulb at any point in time? where you had to rotate the plant and what not?

Right now what is the EC in your res now? Is it the same as what you listed before?

 

[GeD]

the bulb has always been close i always rotated in veg, flower i cut the bottom of the pot and put it in a big gravel tray with 5 litre of pebbles in so i cant rotate now because of the roots ive up my E.C to 1.19 i did lower to E.C 0.50 but few of the top new groth turnd light greenish.
u think im blindin them ? i thort more light the beta, its all the top half the bottom is healthy .. i think there 1 baby fan leaf left that hasent been affected (scratches head) the hole top half has turnd of brown dead tissue with a bit of green/yellow in the middle of the leaf its all the sides of the leaf
m8 on a level how can u find its right E.C

 

[MynameStitch]

Newer growth is supposed to be lighter green in color and then they darken up as they get older.

More light the better is good, but all strains have a tolerance to how much lumens they can take in a certain amount of space.

40-50 watts per sq feet veg and up to 75 watts per sq feet of space for flowering.

Take a picture of the top part that you are speaking off that has the dead tissue, how close is the light to it?

You go by the size of the plant when putting the proper TDS/ppms.

Did you have the lights at the height now when they were much smaller when you first started them out?

THose are pretty stretchy plants for more indica in them than sativa.....

.50 is too low

try 0.96 for now

What is your tap water EC out of the faucet? Are you using the hard water or soft water Vite Max Bloom A&B?

You are feeding them just a little too high when your EC is 1.19
Need to know if your tap water is so I can add that in with the amount. Have you tested the pH out of the tap?

 

[GeD]

cant get no pics yet
tap water: 8.6ph - e.c 0.13
standing tap water (5days old): 7.0ph - e.c 0.11
my bloom is`soft water
this has wot happend over pas few days (recovery) "try"
flush her with 5.8ph e.c went down to .50 few days later
ph'd her to 5.6 bump e.c upto 1.19
day an half later she looks alright but the problem is still moveing down the plant slowly from the top "weard"
ph @ 5.7
E.C @ 1.18 no nute burn and shes eating
what e.c should she be at i have e.c/cf/tds in one meter if this helps
thanku for ur time and help stich

 

[GeD]

still problems

still problems

been few weeks now problem started at the top spead down then onto baby fan leaves aroound the bud

ive notice ec and p'h hardly move any more i fluse every week
ph 5.8 - she likes this ph
e.c 0.86 does move up slowly
what is going on with her wat are the leafs telling me?

 

[Outportgrower]

I have only seen this once before. At that time we came up with it being caused by switching to bloom without a week to two week bulk up of growth nutrients during the switch to 12/12.

Did you dump your grow res and switch to bloom the same day you flipped your lights?

You might be a little far gone now to reverse it, but you should be able to nurse it along with adding a little grow to the mix on your top ups for a week or two.

This worked for us, but by no means should you take it as gospel. But I would suggest any changes you make be small ones and monitor how the plant reacts. That will help you far more then trying to fix it all in one shot if you wind up picking the wrong course of action. Your light seems a little low and maybe the wrong spectrum. Look into a warmer light for flowering.

Good luck. You will learn from it thats for sure so that it will not happen again for future rounds.

 

[GeD]

I have only seen this once before. At that time we came up with it being caused by switching to bloom without a week to two week bulk up of growth nutrients during the switch to 12/12.

Did you dump your grow res and switch to bloom the same day you flipped your lights?

You might be a little far gone now to reverse it, but you should be able to nurse it along with adding a little grow to the mix on your top ups for a week or two.

This worked for us, but by no means should you take it as gospel. But I would suggest any changes you make be small ones and monitor how the plant reacts. That will help you far more then trying to fix it all in one shot if you wind up picking the wrong course of action. Your light seems a little low and maybe the wrong spectrum. Look into a warmer light for flowering.

Good luck. You will learn from it thats for sure so that it will not happen again for future rounds.

everythin u just said i did do
the light is a envirolite 200W 2700k
i did think about putting a little grow in but never did and now i will thanks wat is it it needs from the grow ?