First Go (DWC)

[bendoslendo]

Broken stems can be entry points for gray mold (Botritis) as well as others so keep an eye on the break.

As for you AF root problem, what luck she isn't part of your RDWC! If you have an extra 2 hours I reccomend reading this whole thread, paying special attention to RichyRich's comments/problems. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55259 Solutions don't start coming until a few pages deep, it's kind of a slog.

As mentioned in the thread H2O2 often only slows the slime. Physan 20 is pretty much the only chemical that completely kills it off. Use the dose recommended by RichyRich is 3mL per 25gal. I used the dosage on the bottle and killed my 2 Scrog girls 3 weeks into flower and my clones vegging. So please be careful! Complete restarts suck!

One of the preventative solutions presented is to use a Earth Worm Casting tea to inoculate root systems against this nasty. I just started this the other day in my systems so I can't speak personally of its efficacy. It's not a widely accepted technique for hydro yet I think, but it seems to becoming more popular.

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

Bad news guys. one of the lights fell right onto one of the most pretty girls and snapped about half of her branches (not off, but they are fucked, will they heal?)....im so god damn mad. i cant even put it into words. i dont know what to do, i cant even hang the fucking lights. fuck

 

[bendoslendo]

Bad news guys. one of the lights fell right onto one of the most pretty girls and snapped about half of her branches (not off, but they are fucked, will they heal?)....im so god damn mad. i cant even put it into words. i dont know what to do, i cant even hang the fucking lights. fuck

It's ok. relax. You might lose a few branches. This happened to my room mate with a fan. We patched her up with a plant sealant and twine/chopsticks. She kept growing but unfortunately, it developed a bit of mold. As I said above keep an eye on patched up sites.

 

[Mist]

Just another hurdle to get over. Look at it this way, by the time you get through with this grow you will have had pretty much all of the bad shit happen and once that is out of the way it will be smooth sailing.
How did the light fall?
THis has happend to many people over the years including myself. I "used" to have a 4 light/8bulb floro setup that was made of wood because that is what I had handy at the moment and it was heavy. I had cable that went to hooks where it hung from the chain that came down from the ceiling. It worked fine for many months and then one day when I was moving the hook up a couple notches one of the cables broke and that dropped one end and the force of that falling made the other end break and it went down too. It all happened in a second and I just stood there stunned knowing that 8 plants in 5gal DWC buckets were dead. Just smashed to hell.
BUt then I got the light off and took a look and although they were all laying flat, and I mean FLAT_______, I stood them all back up and splinted them all over the damn place. After I got rid of the cables and replaced them with chains I put the light back up and all of the plants lived and had fine yields.

So just hang the light back up in a way that it won't fall and splint them wherever they need it and roll on.



Happy Growing.

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

Just another hurdle to get over. Look at it this way, by the time you get through with this grow you will have had pretty much all of the bad shit happen and once that is out of the way it will be smooth sailing.
How did the light fall?
THis has happend to many people over the years including myself. I "used" to have a 4 light/8bulb floro setup that was made of wood because that is what I had handy at the moment and it was heavy. I had cable that went to hooks where it hung from the chain that came down from the ceiling. It worked fine for many months and then one day when I was moving the hook up a couple notches one of the cables broke and that dropped one end and the force of that falling made the other end break and it went down too. It all happened in a second and I just stood there stunned knowing that 8 plants in 5gal DWC buckets were dead. Just smashed to hell.
BUt then I got the light off and took a look and although they were all laying flat, and I mean FLAT_______, I stood them all back up and splinted them all over the damn place. After I got rid of the cables and replaced them with chains I put the light back up and all of the plants lived and had fine yields.

So just hang the light back up in a way that it won't fall and splint them wherever they need it and roll on.



Happy Growing.

I had put up a 1'' pvc pipe across the ceiling with two plastic grooves at each end drilled into the wall. They were in dry wall, i used dry wall screws and did it right and one side gave in and ripped the dry wall screws right out. i couldnt even budge the first one i put up, so i just did the same thing and i guess the wall was weaker on the other side or something, because it ripped the screws right out of the wall. ahhh im so bummed, something stupid like that. i dont know how to hang the damn lights now that the girls are up to the rack. its really not all that bad, couldve been like your situation, but a shit ton of branches got damaged. Luckily it was only plant and it pretty much flattened half of her. There is just so many tiny bends and snaps. i fixed as many branches as i could by using close-wire to direct the buds (well formation of buds) and support them to where they would recieve the most light. I gave a little batch of peroxide to prevent infection. Completely lost one beautiful lookin' top chute. i put it in a rooting cube. ha, but im sure its fucked. ah well. this is what you called learning, but i do need to think of a way to get the lights hung (they are hanging temporarily 45 degrees from the canapy) This all happened like 5 minutes before their dark cycle started, so i just rigged up the most haggard setup known to man. the ceiling is weak metal, you cant hang shit on it. no good studs. the local hardware store sucks so much balls, they dont have shit. im broke as hell. fuck my life. ha, nahh i know i will get it up and runnin'. thats what i do baby

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

It's ok. relax. You might lose a few branches. This happened to my room mate with a fan. We patched her up with a plant sealant and twine/chopsticks. She kept growing but unfortunately, it developed a bit of mold. As I said above keep an eye on patched up sites.

i dont have plant sealant. i have tissue paper and duct-tape. is it like a growshop thing? is there anything you can do to stop the mold if it starts or before? what does mold even begin to show up as? do hot or cold environments influence mold growth? thanks man.

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

Here are some pics from about 4 days ago, wouldn't let me upload em' til now. the 1st two pics are of the ecto-plasma roots, gonna try to let em' go 4 days with heavy nutes then start flushing. The big healthy lookin' on the left is the victim of the light

 

[bendoslendo]

I wouldn't worry too much about the sealant. Yeah we picked it up at Wormsway garden store. I don't know how much it helped, hell maybe it caused the Mold!

Personally I don't like duct tape. I don't like the idea of not allowing the stem to have access to air. However, there might be something to say about protecting the stem from pathogen in the air.

I would definitely keep an eye on your humidity with damaged plants. I would make sure it's well below 50%, especially until the plants are healed.

Also, smoke a joint dude. I know it's hard to hurt your girls. I killed two 20"x20" scrog plants 3 week into flower girls a couple weeks ago and I wanted to kill myself. I couldn't sleep that night at all. Lost alot of money and and hard work there. It's ok though man. We can only grow better.

 

[Mist]

First of all just use the tape is that is all you have. It will make a better seal for the limb than with tissue under it. And try to line up the breaks so that they are straight. Giving support from above will help a whole lot. I normally use green plastic gardeners tape for this type of fix and it doesn't even have any sticky side so you will be fine. The upper support will help as much as the tape.
As for mold, just keep that fan going on low and you shouldn't have any problems. Mold mostly forms in still air enviroments. Also high humidity during the dark period will enable mold to form. So just keep some decent air flow on and around the plants and you won't have any problems.

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

I wouldn't worry too much about the sealant. Yeah we picked it up at Wormsway garden store. I don't know how much it helped, hell maybe it caused the Mold!

Personally I don't like duct tape. I don't like the idea of not allowing the stem to have access to air. However, there might be something to say about protecting the stem from pathogen in the air.

I would definitely keep an eye on your humidity with damaged plants. I would make sure it's well below 50%, especially until the plants are healed.

Also, smoke a joint dude. I know it's hard to hurt your girls. I killed two 20"x20" scrog plants 3 week into flower girls a couple weeks ago and I wanted to kill myself. I couldn't sleep that night at all. Lost alot of money and and hard work there. It's ok though man. We can only grow better.

Ha i appreciate it man. humidity is way below 50%. yea im about to go get blazed nasty at my friends. take it easy

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

First of all just use the tape is that is all you have. It will make a better seal for the limb than with tissue under it. And try to line up the breaks so that they are straight. Giving support from above will help a whole lot. I normally use green plastic gardeners tape for this type of fix and it doesn't even have any sticky side so you will be fine. The upper support will help as much as the tape.
As for mold, just keep that fan going on low and you shouldn't have any problems. Mold mostly forms in still air enviroments. Also high humidity during the dark period will enable mold to form. So just keep some decent air flow on and around the plants and you won't have any problems.

Thats pretty much what i tried to do. except i just used to close hangers and duct tape. i tried to gear them in a more upright vertical direction and kind of bring back to the main stem.

 

[Mist]

Yea, there you go. Using coat hangers is a great idea since they can be bent to comform to the limbs. Sounds like you have things moving in the right direction.
You never did say how you came to have a light fall on the plants, LOL!

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

Yea, there you go. Using coat hangers is a great idea since they can be bent to comform to the limbs. Sounds like you have things moving in the right direction.
You never did say how you came to have a light fall on the plants, LOL!

Ha yea i did, its on the bottom of page 7.

 

[Mist]

I missed it last night becaue the posts were moving so fast, LOL!
For hanging lights the only thing that I recoment are hooks screwed into the ceiling joists. It is fast simple and will hold even the biggest hoods safely. A couple little holes in the ceiling are easy to patch and paint over later too.
First you will need to find a joist and determine which was they are running. If you have a ceiling light you can take it down and look in the box and see where it is attached to the joist. Then you can measure off of that to find the other joists. They will be either 16" on center or 24" on center. Then once you have located where the joists are you will want to determine where the SIDE of the joist is. Then you can measure 3/4" over from that so that you are sure that you are hitting the center for your pilot hole. I prefer 1/4" to 5/16" hooks for this. You will want to drill pilot holes a bit smaller than the shaft of your hook shaft. That is the shaft not the threads. And only drill it about 1.5" for your pilot hole.
Then it is just a matter of screwing the hooks in. Use plyers to start it then a screwdriver works well to really get it screwed in.
All you will need after that is some appropriate chain, and not the kind you tow cars with, and you will have a safe hanging system.


Oh yea, get good solid metal galvanized hooks. Not the kind for hanging plant pots and shit. They only cost like a buck fifty for two.

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

I missed it last night becaue the posts were moving so fast, LOL!
For hanging lights the only thing that I recoment is are hooks screwed into the ceiling joists. It is fast simple and will hold even the biggest hoods safely. A couple little holes in the ceiling are easy to patch and paint over later too.
First you will need to find a joist and determine which was they are running. If you have a ceiling light you can take it down and look in the box and see where it is attached to the joist. Then you can measure off of that to find the other joists. They will be either 16" on center or 24" on center. Then once you have located where the joists are you will want to determine where the SIDE of the joist is. Then you can measure 3/4" over from that so that you are sure that you are hitting the center for your pilot hole. I prefer 1/4" to 5/16" hooks for this. You will want to drill pilot holes a bit smaller than the shaft of your hook shaft. That is the shaft not the threads. And only drill it about 1.5" for your pilot hole.
Then it is just a matter of screwing the hooks in. Use plyers to start it then a screwdriver works well to really get it screwed in.
All you will need after that is some appropriate chain, and not the kind you tow cars with, and you will have a safe hanging system.


Oh yea, get good solid metal galvanized hooks. Not the kind for hanging plant pots and shit. They only cost like a buck fifty for two.

Ha the whole ceiling in that room is one weak piece of metal because there is an air conditioner right above it (its pretty noisy, so that helps), and i cant find any useable studs.

 

[Mist]

Well shit! The only other practical option is to either buy or build a light stand. Many hydro shops have them, but I know that you keep saying that you are broke. You could build one out of 2x4's fairly cheap.Make sure to put the one at the top on edge to hold the weight.
Sorry, habbit from being a carpenter for 20 years.
A factory made light stand would be much better of course. Something like this is what you are looking for>
http://discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=501&navid=46

I HATE APPARTMENTS!!!!

 

[CheefaThaReefa]

Well shit! The only other practical option is to either buy or build a light stand. Many hydro shops have them, but I know that you keep saying that you are broke. You could build one out of 2x4's fairly cheap.Make sure to put the one at the top on edge to hold the weight.
Sorry, habbit from being a carpenter for 20 years.
A factory made light stand would be much better of course. Something like this is what you are looking for>
http://discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=501&navid=46

I HATE APPARTMENTS!!!!

I have been looking everywhere for something just like that for weeks now! exactly what i had in mind, but i dont really want to order any more stuff. i found something similar at a local store, but its expensive as he hell. amazing its so hard to find something so simple sometimes.

ha yea, ive take it you that have done a grow in one before, since you have you have 10 years under your belt now, probably done it everywhere ha. I think i remember reading one thread that you said you dont use DWC anymore? what do you use now?

 

[Mist]

Yea, I have been growing for over 30 years, but only the last 12 indoors like this. Did some greenhouse and indoor with my father back in the late 70's, but he ran everything and I was just the slave. LOL! All outdoor after that until the late 90's.
I did do DWC for most of those indoor years and am using an Ebb&Gro system now for ease of use. I do still have some DWC buckets and tubs for mothers though. You have seen my thread with the ST#3XBlack Russian haven't you?

But back to the point at hand. You could build a good stand out of 3" pvc if you are comfortably using that material. You just need something that will be rigid with the weight of the lights on it and copy the light stand design in that material. Some pipe, some fittings, some inginuity and WHALA! You will have a stand.

I wish you lived closer so that I could come over and fix the damn situation! That is just how I am about this kind of stuff, but that doesn't look like it is going to happen. LOL!!!!!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Go to your local hardware store. Look in their shelves area. You'll find the type of shelves that have 2 strips with slots cut in them that you bolt to the wall. Triangular'ish shelf supports slip into the slots and you put a board across them.

Get one strip with the slots in it. Get one LARGE shelf support. Drill 2 holes in the shelf support at either end and hang your light from it. Mount the shelf strip with the slots cut in it in the middle of the longest wall of your garden.

You can now pick up your light, pull it out of the slots, move it an inch and put it back into new slots, all the way up to the ceiling. (If you bolted it to the wall right.) Super easy.

 

[gotbackwoods]

get one of those siphon pumps they have the hand ones or the electric ones you dont know how many plants i had fall over after trying to switch lids