AK47 vs Chronic - for production

[oldschoolfarmer]

If someone were going to grow specifically for yield, thc content and speed: which strain would be better suited?

Both of these strains seem to be big yielders but:
which is more potent?
Which will be matured the fastest?
Which one will be more memorable?

TIA!

 

[Jnugg]

If someone were going to grow specifically for yield, thc content and speed: which strain would be better suited?

Both of these strains seem to be big yielders but:
which is more potent?
Which will be matured the fastest?
Which one will bring a higher price once cured?

TIA!

Well Serious Seeds Chronic is deffinately a heavy yielder and a top contender for cash cropping,but the high is mediocre at best as most comercial cash crop strains.

AK-47 is good yielder and the smoke is excellent IMO.

For big yeilds of excellent smoke I would vote SS AK-47,for big yeilds I'd vote Chronic.

Which will bring a bigger price tag....wellI don't agree with someone growing weed just to make money off of others,this is where the green eyed monster comes in.

Me personally I will luagh at anyone trying to charge more then $375/ounce.I don't care if it is GDP,or any other elite cutting,no bud is worth THAT much money....PERIOD.

 

[oldschoolfarmer]

Jnugg - That question had the wrong intent I appreciate your opinion and agree that anything over $375 is too much.

Personally it's not about charging a higher price... it's about having something to offer that people will remember. I'm a medical supplier with a price cap of $200/zip, however patients are free to choose where they purchase from. It'd be nice to offer something that people will want to come back for as opposed to the local schwag. However, I don't have the facilities necessary to supply 14+ week sativas to the masses lol.

 

[EvilTwin]

If someone were going to grow specifically for yield, thc content and speed: which strain would be better suited?

Both of these strains seem to be big yielders but:
which is more potent?
Which will be matured the fastest?
Which one will be more memorable?
TIA!

If you truly are a medical grower, you shouldn't be worried about which strain is more "memorable"...

You're primary concern should be which strain is more effective at relieving symptoms. I don't understand why you've narrowed it down to only those two. I'd guess there are many insomnia, pain, and nausea patients that would benefit from a full-on Indica like NL or Afghan. Just my opinion.
ET

 

[zenoonez]

If you truly are a medical grower, you shouldn't be worried about which strain is more "memorable"...

You're primary concern should be which strain is more effective at relieving symptoms. I don't understand why you've narrowed it down to only those two. I'd guess there are many insomnia, pain, and nausea patients that would benefit from a full-on Indica like NL or Afghan. Just my opinion.
ET

Perhaps because he has to pay the bills too? I would vote ak47 but you can't go wrong picking up some chronic too. I would pick up a number of packs of each and use it as a breeding project. Find the best ak47 mommas and papas and introduce them to one another, do the same for the chronic. Make sure you include potency in your selection process so go get big yielders, strong potency, and the structure you are looking for. Refine the ak line and the chronic line independent of one another until you get to a generation where you are happy with the plants in general, no hermies, big yield, strong potency, good structure, fast finish. Then mix those ladies and guys with the chronic generation which you like. At that point you should see some nice phenos to keep or to back cross to any of your previous parents. But if you don't have the room, I would suggest buying more room at some point so you can work on strains yourself

 

[jaybobber]

Back to the first reply in the thread.....thats what I said when I was a kid, and weed jumped from $25 an ounce for mexican to $60 an ounce for columbian!!!! no fukn way!!!!

 

[oldschoolfarmer]

EvilTwin - Please give me the definition of "True Medical Grower". Apparently growing and giving some of it to your medical friends at a severly discounted price doesn't apply.... ? My primary concern is exactly that, mine.

zenoonez - good point. I'm hoping one day to have the time and limits necessary to perform the standard gene selection process. Unfortunately right now I'm limited to a very small number of plants and I often have to hope for the genetics to pull through from the first go (which is why I'm paying $$$ for good strains). I will be keeping clones of signifcant phenos though, for future refinement.

jaybobber - I wish I was around in those days

 

[zenoonez]

zenoonez - good point. I'm hoping one day to have the time and limits necessary to perform the standard gene selection process. Unfortunately right now I'm limited to a very small number of plants and I often have to hope for the genetics to pull through from the first go (which is why I'm paying $$$ for good strains). I will be keeping clones of signifcant phenos though, for future refinement.

Yea I understand shitty plant limits, hopefully next year cali will make it completely legal. If so I will probably move out there . Yea I would keep any good females or males you find. You can always grab the pollen and freeze it, should be viable for a while. There are a bunch of good cash cropping strains that have pretty good potency but Ak is a pretty good mix of both worlds. It has a pretty respectable stone with a better than average yield. I would use a stepped approach if you are staying within plant limits, buy 30 beans of each and only pop what you can legally. I would pop them in shifts, all ak the first shift, keep any good looking phenos. Then do the same with the chronic that way by the third crop you can have a couple of good phenos of each in rotation. Are you in a closed circle medical coop or can you accept more patients into the coop?

 

[oldschoolfarmer]

zenoonez - totally agree. I'm actually harvesting some mendo purp pollen today I don't technically run a coop. In my state you can be a registered caregiver for patients, but they don't allow stores or circle coops. I can accept more patients, but then it becomes more of a job than a hobby. Keeping my prices where they are, I still have a 9-5 To answer your question though, I'm hoping in a few years I can retire and add a few new patients to expand the limits/gene pool. Breeding is addictive!

 

[zenoonez]

zenoonez - totally agree. I'm actually harvesting some mendo purp pollen today I don't technically run a coop. In my state you can be a registered caregiver for patients, but they don't allow stores or circle coops. I can accept more patients, but then it becomes more of a job than a hobby. Keeping my prices where they are, I still have a 9-5 To answer your question though, I'm hoping in a few years I can retire and add a few new patients to expand the limits/gene pool. Breeding is addictive!

Thats good news man. I think breeding is where it is at. I mean people buy 10 seeds for 100-150 bucks and then choose two plants out of it? Doesn't provide a very diverse gene pool or opportunity to find those real rare cuts. I would rather just take clones off of them and immediately flower them all together in open flower, even if they are just tiny seedlings with buds on them that gives you a couple hundred seeds. Then you can still select what you want out of the 10 seeds you bought and you have a diverse progeny which should produce a few very interesting plants to backcross to those parents you selected. It just provides for the grower to tailor a strain to his needs. I mean if you need lollipops then select the indica dominant plants, if you need bushes pick the sativas. Another good yielding strain which has pretty good potency, taste, and bag appeal from what I have heard is POG- Pot of Gold.

 

[EvilTwin]

EvilTwin - Please give me the definition of "True Medical Grower". Apparently growing and giving some of it to your medical friends at a severly discounted price doesn't apply.... ? My primary concern is exactly that, mine.

Oldschoolformer,
I'm not trying to start a beef on your thread. I'd say you did a good job of defining what a "true medical grower" isn't. Someone for whom their own concerns and financial gain is more important then the patients needs.

I do like you...I grow (at risk in an illegal state) for myself and two other medical patients. I grow the strains that they need. One being depressed and needing sativa and the other being a cancer patient needing help with appetite and nausea control. And I give it to them for donations to cover my electrical bills.

It's somewhat of a semantics issue. Call yourself whatever you like. It just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry for the intrusion.
ET

 

[oldschoolfarmer]

ET - no beef here, just pointing out that labels like "true medical grower" are worthless. I don't consider myself a "true" anything. I consider myself medical because for $200 a zip, I'm pretty much giving this away to my patients. (Try growing at 6000' then delivering to a 300 mile radius and tell me how much it costs) I know people in this town who charge $350 for schwag, but since their schwag is grown specifically for patient needs I guess they could be considered true medical growers lol. That last sentence was my attempt at a joke

I started this thread to figure out what plant will help me meet demands. From what I've gathered, AK is the strain. Thanks all!

 

[zenoonez]

Oldschoolformer,
I'm not trying to start a beef on your thread. I'd say you did a good job of defining what a "true medical grower" isn't. Someone for whom their own concerns and financial gain is more important then the patients needs.

I do like you...I grow (at risk in an illegal state) for myself and two other medical patients. I grow the strains that they need. One being depressed and needing sativa and the other being a cancer patient needing help with appetite and nausea control. And I give it to them for donations to cover my electrical bills.

It's somewhat of a semantics issue. Call yourself whatever you like. It just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry for the intrusion.
ET

What? Are you kidding me? What do you want people who live in states where mj is illegal to grow 14 weeks for a gpw of .4? Just because he is asking which strain produces higher yield and higher THC content doesn't mean he isn't providing quality cannabis for the people that depend on him. I think you should take a look at yourself up on that high horse. Why do medical growers have to be martyr sacrificing yield and potency? Maybe he is looking for something to breed into his own lines to increase their economic efficiency? Or maybe he has picked two indica/sativa hybrids that provide fairly good potency and a high yield? And what is the difference between giving out meds for cash and for "donation." Sounds like another one of those semantics problems to me...

 

[zenoonez]

I started this thread to figure out what plant will help me meet demands. From what I've gathered, AK is the strain. Thanks all!

There are plenty of others including some rather exotic plants that might be helpful for you. It would help to know a little more about what you are looking for. Good yield and good potency are some limiting factors but not all together hard because many strains can be high yielding if you find the right mom and similarly potency can be found if it is really sought out.

 

[darookie2000]

You may want to look at different phenos, but AK-47 is likely to be what you're looking for. I really liked the cherry pheno when I tried it (purchased from a club, not grown, unfortunately). I will probably be picking up some AK-47 beans before too long, but I'm fresh out of room for now.

 

[oldschoolfarmer]

There are plenty of others including some rather exotic plants that might be helpful for you. It would help to know a little more about what you are looking for. ...

No worries there mate I have a decent gene pool as is but wanted to have a couple bulk producers to keep a consistent supply up. If I lose a plant or run out early, people are forced to buy the street crap.

darookie- yeah, from what I've read the cherry pheno is king but I can't find it for purchase anywhere... any suggestions?

 

[EvilTwin]

What? Are you kidding me? What do you want people who live in states where mj is illegal to grow 14 weeks for a gpw of .4? Just because he is asking which strain produces higher yield and higher THC content doesn't mean he isn't providing quality cannabis for the people that depend on him. I think you should take a look at yourself up on that high horse. Why do medical growers have to be martyr sacrificing yield and potency?

Zenoonez,
I made an accord with Oldschoolfarmer. Things were cool...but you come along with your inaccuracies.

Not all sativas are 14 week plants Dude. Why are you being a dick? Haven't you heard of C-99?

And it's commercial growers who sacrifice quality, not medical growers like you suggested.

Mostly why I posted here was because it seemed odd for a medical grower to limit himself to those two specific strains. And from your last post, it would seem you share that opinion.
ET

 

[darookie2000]

No worries there mate I have a decent gene pool as is but wanted to have a couple bulk producers to keep a consistent supply up. If I lose a plant or run out early, people are forced to buy the street crap.

darookie- yeah, from what I've read the cherry pheno is king but I can't find it for purchase anywhere... any suggestions?

You have to hunt for it if you can't find a cut. It's going to be time consuming with a lot of space, but basically you germ a bunch of beans (regular serious AK-47 packs CAN have the cherry pheno, it's just rare) and grow them out to see which one's which. It's all random luck in a pheno hunt. I ALWAYS take two cuts of any plant I'm about to flower, just in case I get a keeper. Then I can mom one of the cuts, or take two more cuts and flower it, starting the process all over again . Worst case scenario is that you've got a ton of bud that's not quite what you were looking for, but still really good. I haven't been watching the clone scene lately, since I'm at capacity, but if I found that cut, I'd definitely scoop it up.

Good luck!

 

[zenoonez]

Zenoonez,
I made an accord with Oldschoolfarmer. Things were cool...but you come along with your inaccuracies.

Not all sativas are 14 week plants Dude. Why are you being a dick? Haven't you heard of C-99?

And it's commercial growers who sacrifice quality, not medical growers like you suggested.

Mostly why I posted here was because it seemed odd for a medical grower to limit himself to those two specific strains. And from your last post, it would seem you share that opinion.
ET

The reason I responded as such was that you were talking down with some serious condescension. I know not all sativas are 14 weeks, what I am saying is that you came off as a high and mighty purist accusing someone else of not looking after their clientele. You think I was being a dick? Go back and read your posts. Tell me you weren't on some soapbox talking down to someone looking for a good yielder with high potency. I suggested that "true medicinal growers" rally against people looking for high yields and high potency like it is a bad thing. Yes you can breed a strain that has both, it might take a lot of work but it is out there. Not all commercial growers sacrifice quality for quantity. As far as I am concerned if you have right pheno of a "low quality" strain it can be just as good as a "high quality strain." My point is that we shouldn't be accusing all of those people looking for high yields of sacrificing potency or quality of the smoke. I do agree that his initial suggestions were tight but he did give the option of other. I think powerplant would be a good choice or grape romulan though both need to be searched through just like any seeds to find good phenos and would probably benefit from continued breeding and improvement. Just as his posts rubbed you the wrong way, your posts rubbed me the wrong way. They seemed derogatory and condescending but maybe I was reading more into your word choice than you intended.

 

[Smokeone1]

$375 is a good deal! in the midwest it's $400-$700!