Hungary clones?

[baldyhippy]

These were nice & green when they come out the prop last thursday,

Up untill yesterday they were fed 1ml per litre of hesi tnt complex

Yesterday the were watered and fed 2.5 ml hesi tnt and 2.5 root stim

Today they look pale green..is it hunger or is the light to close?

600 hps at 3 foot from cannopy..they are in neat coco (first attempt) in 1.4 litre pots.

Thanks

Baldy.

 

[baldyhippy]

pictures

pictures

oops sorry

 

[baldyhippy]

pale clones and roots at 9 ays

pale clones and roots at 9 ays

Couple more pic folks.

 

[blowwhole]

Thats what new growth looks like. They look great, relax and don't over love them.

 

[baldyhippy]

Thanks for the reassurance blowhole. I was under the impression they should be less of a pale colour tho?

Baldy.

 

[GroHi]

Mine usually go a little lighter green when transitioning to an HPS, even when raised as you have them. If the temps allow (under 80F), then you can slowly drop the lights to 2' w/o much concern... over the coarse of a week or so or as they pick up growth.

Not familiar w Hesi but at 20ml/gal of product at this stage sound high...? Do you have an EC/tds meter? What conversion factor?

For small plants (w Flora Series for reference) 600-700 ppms is great.

Once at 8-10" or starting to grow more/faster... 800-1000 is great for veg.

These are at 1EC=700ppm's. Peace brother.

 

[baldyhippy]

Thanks for that Grohi

The problem lies with the hesi tnt nutes buddy Ive done some small test and heres what comes up on my ec truncheon:

Ive tested these amounts with a litre of water:
1 ml = 0.8 so actual reading is 0.5
2.5 ml = 0.9 so actual reading is 0.6

3 ml = 1.0 so actual reading is 0.7

4 ml = 1.1 so actual reading is 0.8

5 ml = 1.3 so actual reading is 1.0

This is based on a ec background of 0.6 halfed to 0.3 buddy.

And heres a little info on the nutes :

http://www.hesi.nl/english/objects/imgs/catalog/UK08 pag 11.jpg

So Im just guessing on the mls per litre at the moment and I thought pale green plants would need extra "n" good thing is theres no signs of nuteburn its just trying to get it right thats sending me a bit sideways.

Thanks for your time fella. ps they went straight under a 600hps all be it at a safe distance from the cannopy (3 feet)

Baldy.

 

[Ziggaro]

hmm i dont think thats what new growth looks like..
Healthy plants should be green and shiny. The new growth might be a little less green... but the tips shouldn't be curling up like they are in your third picture
I'd have to say looks like an OD to me but no experience with canna

 

[EvilTwin]

Hi BaldHippy,
Generally your assumption is correct. Loss of green (chlorosis) often means the plant needs more N. But you also have to consider if there's some reason that the plant isn't using the N that's already there. That's called nutrient lock-out and can occur from out-of-range ph or an excess of one nutrient blocking another.

So the one question I'd ask is...what brand of coco? Bricks? And did you do a thorough warm water flush to remove excess salt from the coco. If you have high-priced bagged pre-flushed coco...then no problem. but bricks are different.
ET

 

[baldyhippy]

hmm i dont think thats what new growth looks like..
Healthy plants should be green and shiny. The new growth might be a little less green... but the tips shouldn't be curling up like they are in your third picture
I'd have to say looks like an OD to me but no experience with canna

Niceone mate,

I dont think Ive overdozed them if anything I think ive under fed them..hense the paleness?

The curling is more than likely down to low humidity 32% in veg always been like that even in my compost grows but it does rise as the plants grow.

Or it could be the oscalating fan blowing on them and needs turned down a tad?

Hmmmmmmmm Ill keep an eye on them tho..thanks mate.

Baldy.

 

[baldyhippy]

Hi BaldHippy,
Generally your assumption is correct. Loss of green (chlorosis) often means the plant needs more N. But you also have to consider if there's some reason that the plant isn't using the N that's already there. That's called nutrient lock-out and can occur from out-of-range ph or an excess of one nutrient blocking another.

So the one question I'd ask is...what brand of coco? Bricks? And did you do a thorough warm water flush to remove excess salt from the coco. If you have high-priced bagged pre-flushed coco...then no problem. but bricks are different.
ET

Hi twin..thanks for your interest mate appreciate it,

More "n" sounds about right have a look at this coco grow scedule ive attached.

I only started them on 1 ml 10 days ago heres were Ive made an error as going by the scedule it should av been 5ml per litre,but sinse i was new to this and unable to check my ec with these nutes I thought Id start off small and work it up,that would av been fine for seedling but not mature little plants (the rooted clones).

The coco is canno pro pluss mate & no I never gave it a wash thro before using.

My ph is always ajusted to 5.8 / 6.2 after I add nutrients and before I water.

Today I gave them what was left from the last nutrient change 3.5 ml per litre with 3.0 ml per litre root complex.

Ive now went with this grow chart today and made fresh nutes up @ 5ml per litre tnt complex (more "n" ) 5ml per litre of root complex and 20ml of powerzye.

To be honest when looking at them today they did look less pale than previous so hopefully thats the problem here..well im hoping anyway lol

Ill report back with any upates in the next week and see if theres any improvements.

Thanks again all for your most valid imput its very much appreciated.

Baldy.

 

[EvilTwin]

Hi Baldy,
The Canna coco you're using is top notch and needs no flushing. Playing catch-up sometimes takes awhile but they'll green up. Have fun!
ET

 

[Moldy Dreads]

Coco is alot different than soil, it's different and nutes need to be dialed in well or the lockout can happen and be a bummer..

 

[baldyhippy]

Hi Baldy,
The Canna coco you're using is top notch and needs no flushing. Playing catch-up sometimes takes awhile but they'll green up. Have fun!
ET

Cheers Twin....lets just hope its catchup,time will tell.

Loving it

Cheers dreads,

I nottice the difference alright..hopefully Im getting it dialed in from now on..

Aw the best & thanks!

Baldy.

 

[GroHi]

I'll get some flack for this, but every time I run my coir (on it over 2 years) without a preflush I have problems during the first 2-3 weeks... Ca/K are the ones I clearly identify along with what appears to be pH spotting, maybe some light Fe issues as the lights go up.

Granted I run compressed bricks anymore, but even when hauling bags of Canna & Atami, I had to preflush. When I did this, no issues, regardless of brand.

If you rinse a fresh pot of Canna coir with plain RO water, I'll bet most anything the ppm's you will catch off the first run-off will be in excess of 2000... off my scale which caps at that. Atami is around 1100, CCGro is around 850, if I recall properly. Check the pH, bet it will very low as well. This doesn't actually balance out till end of week 2 for me.

Just some observations. I love coir, but found there are some ins&outs to running it smoothly start to finish.

Check your run-off, curious to see what it is...? Peace brother.

 

[EvilTwin]

I'll get some flack for this, but every time I run my coir (on it over 2 years) without a preflush I have problems during the first 2-3 weeks... Ca/K are the ones I clearly identify along with what appears to be pH spotting, maybe some light Fe issues as the lights go up.

Granted I run compressed bricks anymore, but even when hauling bags of Canna & Atami, I had to preflush. When I did this, no issues, regardless of brand.

If you rinse a fresh pot of Canna coir with plain RO water, I'll bet most anything the ppm's you will catch off the first run-off will be in excess of 2000... off my scale which caps at that. Atami is around 1100, CCGro is around 850, if I recall properly. Check the pH, bet it will very low as well. This doesn't actually balance out till end of week 2 for me.

Just some observations. I love coir, but found there are some ins&outs to running it smoothly start to finish.

Check your run-off, curious to see what it is...? Peace brother.

I agree with some of what you say GroHi, but on your observation regarding flushing bagged Canna coco...what you're probably flushing out is not sodium, but rather the pre-conditioning soak that they use. In other words, I feel the canna would serve you better before the flush.

I know people who start seedlings in un-flushed Canna coco with no issues. But bricked coco...flush for sure.
Peace,
ET

 

[Ziggaro]

Hey Baldy, I'm curious how they are lookin now
I assume that you gave some N, did that clear things up?

Thought I saw some upward leaf curl my bad. The limit to my plants at that size seems to be about .6 EC usually, thats why I thought could be an overdose.

Hope everything is clearing up!

 

[baldyhippy]

Hey Baldy, I'm curious how they are lookin now
I assume that you gave some N, did that clear things up?

Thought I saw some upward leaf curl my bad. The limit to my plants at that size seems to be about .6 EC usually, thats why I thought could be an overdose.

Hope everything is clearing up!

Hello Buddy

Starting to look alot better fella growing fast and starting to go more green in colour..on 3.5 ml per litre,next feed ill up it to 5ml per litre!

Thanks all..youve stopped me worrying!

Baldy.

 

[Insomnius]

are you in hungary or are the clones sent to you from hungary? or do mean hungry? im not being a smartass either

 

[the lonely shoe]

clones dont come from hungary baldy ...
ya mad scotsman....been fishing lately