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Could it be, a cheap and reliable cure, easy to use for mites?

CANNACO-OP

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A Bonide product, found almost anywhere, cheap, whatta think? We got a buddy who lives in middle of nowhere, no stores near him, doesn't drive, basically a hillbille type and we love em!!!! He gave us a bottle of this when visiting him, says uses it for most pests...

Imidacloprid is the active ingrediant.



he is usually a more "natural and/or organic solution" type guy, so i asked him why this, answer was cheap and reliable and easy to find....also mentioned that it is systemic type delivery system, so for mites it works cuz those suck the plant and this kills them.

I did a few searches and found some information:

This maybe being most interesting:

A systemic insecticide
Imidacloprid is taken up by plant roots and diffuses in the plant via the xylem; its systemic properties then rely on insects ingesting the insecticide (e.g., by sucking plant fluids). The products Confidor and Admire are intended for application via irrigation, application to the soil, or on foliage, while Gaucho is intended for use as a seed dressing, applied to the seed before sowing.
Seed applied insecticides are often used to deal with numerous insects as they are easy to use and comparable in cost to most traditional insecticides used at sowing time. Some also indicate that it might be better for the environment because less chemical is required than for broadcast or banded applications, or at least because less chemical is sprayed in the air. However, some note that the use of seed-applied insecticides at each season implies the chemical is used whether there is need to fight insects or not.

I know that in agricultural american, farmers are applying chemicals to the soil pre seed, spaying the seed, this that and the other, maximizing yields and best crops are their goals....

thought would share, please let me know what you think...

Thanks again! Peace, Canna
 
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Zeinth

The chemical structure of imidacloprid (right) is a synthetic analog of nicotine, the natural alkaloid found in the leaves of tobacco and related plants.


hmmm...tmv??

Studies on rats indicate that the thyroid is the organ most affected by Imidacloprid. Thyroid lesions occurred in male rats at a Lowest Observed Adverse Effect Level of 16.9 mg/kg/day[2
 

Bud-Boy

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Sounds like sucra shield?

Tobacco leaves have long been known to prevent attacks by mites and certain insect pests. The reason was unclear until researchers discovered the naturally inherent insecticidal properties of tobacco leave hairs. Based on a combination of sucrose, a sugar which is a regular part of the diet of humans and animals, as well as a fatty acid, derived from edible oil, SucraShield was able to capture it in a highly effective, concentrated form.

SucraShield™ is a sugar-based insecticide/miticide that gives fast-acting control for hundreds of soft-bodied insects like aphids, caterpillars, glassy-winged sharp-shooters, mealy bugs, mites, soft scale, thrips and whitefly. The active ingredient, a sugar ester, attacks the target pests and causes rapid dehydration. SucraShield™ biodegrades into sugar and water in the environment. There is no documented resistance.
 

Bud-Boy

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Well Zeinth sounded like sucra shield

Ingredients:

Active Ingredient: Sucrose Octanoate Esters (a-D-glucopyranosyl-b-D – fructofuranosyl-octonoate), mono-, di-, and triesters of sucrose octanoate………………..40.0%
 

Bud-Boy

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they have a lot of "interresting" products on their page, this included

Captain Jack's Deadbug Brew Conc.



Captain Jack's Deadbug Brew contains Spinosad (spin-OH-sid), a naturally occuring soil dwelling bacterium that was collected on a Caribbean island from an abandoned rum distillery in 1982. Deadbug Brew kills bagworms, borers, beetles, caterpillars, codling moth, gypsy moth, loopers, leaf miners, spider mites, tent caterpillars, thrips and more!


I cant kill our mites here.

I have
sucra shield
sm90
esfenvalerate (ortho)
30% isopropyl
Azadirachtin ( bio Neem safer brand)
water spray


And I still have mites.

On little, several leaf clones.

I can literally spray the bugs let it dry and watch about 10% walk away

with ANY of these, on a rotational basis

Still got em
 

CANNACO-OP

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my guy says that sprays suck and you never get them all, no matter what, almost gotta hose them off like a prerinse, then dip them, that can be a problem with most of us.

Application of this is easy, i think he said sprinkle ratio into top of soil, mix in a little, water and there you go. Plants uptake through roots and essentially poision the mites.

He experiements with hydro/aero, more diy and for other crops, but says sprinkles ratios into water mixture also.

His plants look clean to me, but no pics and can't see most the crop.
 

CANNACO-OP

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thanks Bud-Boy and Zeinth


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anyone else got :2cents:
 

oldog

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SYSTEMIC is not good IMHO. I dont want anything INSIDE the plant that I'm not sure
about. My rule is : Would you be ok with sprinkling some of this stuff on a spliff before you smoked it ?
I would prefer to spray on the outside and hope that it would evaporate or I could flush it off after its done its job. I am looking for a pyrethrin vapour/spray without piperonil butoxide.
I think us small growers should be able to physically blast/spray/blow/drown most insects.
Or make their lives so unpleasant that they go somewhere else.
 

CANNACO-OP

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I am not pushing for using it, just curious...He has used for years on veggies also, no ill effects... I am grabbing a bottle form him to read it more, he argued that you want systemic as long as you are sure....

i would not dust my bowls with this stuff, but i wouldn't take a taste of SM-90 or fluromite either.....lol...

i thought he said something about the life of the product and it really was only around a short time in the plants cycle??? i will try to clarify more, wanted some ammo from you all to speak to him about... thanks oldog for your time and input.. peace. canna
 

GroHi

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Been battling a species of soil mite (yes, a mite, not any of the other soil pests) for a year that came in a coir product. Actually got several species, two nematodes & springtails from the batch, but everything addressed with varying neem products (Azatrol is much more effective over Azamax, btw) & spraying of insecticidal soap... all except this one mite, which won't die... just stays around crop after crop after crop. BTW, I have no other bug issues & haven't for years, so...

Just to chime in as started to use agro chems to address vs all the natural/organic/soft approaches... the Imidacloprid was the latest attempt. In short, it depressed the populations after 2 applications to the medium though allowed for them to persist. It did not get these buggars though seemed to effect them much the way my neem applications did. 2 weeks later & the populations just as strong.

BTW, the Imidacloprid is supposed to be "most" effective on sucking bugs as it interferes with normal insect hormones... specifically it is supposed to suppress the insects ability to use their sucking mouth parts, if I recall properly. Though the bottle lists it as a contact killer, the actual action is hormone interruption leading to death over time due to starvation.

Just an observation on some of the limitations as it clearly isn't an end all be all to insect problems. The concerns I had were that it stays systemic for up to 2 months, though I figured highly diluted by the end of the crop. It is an agro chem, so it can't be that good for us & if it persists for so very long...?

There are other analogs of nicotine as well that fall into this category of pesticides though specifically acting on the pest in differing ways. Just an fyi as you could likely find other similar products for a rotational approach.

BTW, also just tried Malathion (yeah, that frustrated) & it killed 8/25 plants by means of a soil drench. The rest were on critical life support for 2 weeks before rebounding. These were off of seeds that had taken clone copies so never intended to run these for smoke, so... This was 1/2 strength application.

The Imidacloprid was at full strength and the plants had only minor symptoms after the second application (think it threw my medium pH off as Ca & K deficiencies showed up though addressed by end of week). Pretty soft effect.

Peace to all.
 

geopolitical

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I cant kill our mites here.

I have
sucra shield
sm90
esfenvalerate (ortho)
30% isopropyl
Azadirachtin ( bio Neem safer brand)
water spray

Try abamectin based sprays. They've completely wiped out resistant mites for me before. Avid is a decent brand. They're not super shelf stable however so buy what you need.

Dunks worked much better for me than sprays however.
 

oldog

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I think she drank too many nutes. There was nothing else
to drink. Haven't seen her for a while but no bugs when
she was there.


 

CANNACO-OP

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say broski....try this..................
Live Ladybugs in mesh bag 1500 adults



$6.50



http://gardeningzone.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=121


Thanks buddy.....maybe safer..... then chemicals of any kind ........ we cleared a site with predator mites, been about 3 weeks, we still see mites, but both kinds, more of the killer predator ones than not..... no webbing @ all....... maybe we will try the lady bugs in another local...... damn mites spread like the plauge.......
 

crippled1

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I have been told by a very reliable source that Imidacloprid is not effective against spider mites.

I read the product label and mites are not listed on it.

Why would you use it on an insect that's not on the label?

Try some of this stuff, it's organic, very safe to use and it will kill anything not standing upright.

http://www.wisesolutions.ws/WS-CPC.html
 

CANNACO-OP

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thanks again crippled1....i did not use it and was not going to, i didn't think but wanted some feed back.....i relayed all info onto our farmer and it is his call from here.

abamectin has been recommended many times.

Purespray Green which looks like just Petroleum Oil with some SM-90 is what another guy swore by....and i passed that on as info and another dude says it wiped them out and no signs in like 30 days......so we will see.........

thanks for all the info, appreciated.... Peace. Canna
 
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