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Mould Discussion 2: A critical read

D.S. Toker. MD

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Mould, and whats worse, powdery mildew has and is ravaging our region. Every grower i know has plants that are covered and dying. Thankfully, there is a cure and thats why i write this thread. My entire crop was only days away from death. and while they look a little rough now, the mould and powdery mildew is completely gone and my and my plants are regenerating , thank god.

What killed the deadly duo and saved my plants? GREENCURE. Plain and simple, i will have a harvest and something to smoke this winter because of greencure . My hope with this thread is to convince any grower out there about to loose their crop that if they act fast, they can save their crop.

I had read about Greencure here in a "discussion about mould" and tried it. It burned the white hairs on my plant so i shelved the stuff initially. But continued reading and study led me to believe the ingredients in Greencure should work. The chemical in GC is Potassium Bicarbonate, which is the same chemical as baking soda. However, after tallking with Customer service rep for GC, i was told GC is like baking soda as a candle is like a blow torch. GC is baking soda purified several hundred times and is very different ineffect than straight BSoda.


About 3 weeks ago, my buddy asked me to stop by and look at his plants. They had Powdery mildew and died Two days later . Within weeks, every other growers plants in the area had PM and mould too including mine and I knew they were going to die.

At this point, i got the GC back out. I knew my plants only had a few days to live so what is there to loose? I called the GC company and spoke with a customer rep and told him it seemed to burn my sunflowers when i used it. He told me that the reaction of plant species to the extreme acidity in GC varied widely He told me that the plants listed on the label had all been tested for reaction, but anytime a garder used the product on an untested variety then a dosage must be esablished.

Originally when i tried GC, i used 1. 5 tablespoons per gallon. The rep told me to reduce that to 3/4 tablespoons per gallon. I tried that, used it on my very diseased and near death plants, and within 48 hours the plants looked better. On the few plants i have that werent in bad shape and the Powdery mildew was just starting, it killed it and damage to the plants ceased

I am now applying GC weekly or when it rains. This is a true miracle product for me and cant say enough about it. I have tried this dosage on 5 strains, all were cured and none were harmed. I smoked the weed from treated plants and there is no taste or indication the product was ever used. It is approved for organic gardening.

I hope this helps someone save their crop. Serenade doesnt work that well and is systemic in nature, which means it is absorbed into the plant tissue. Serenade isnt approved for organic gardening. The problem with the other treatments that show promise such as milk arent realistic because the diseases work so much faster than these remedies do. Greencure is the first really effective product i have ever found.
 
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Darkstarlive

Just watch for it to come back.
I got PM for the very first time this year after 6 years of growing indoors and being Fungus free. I treid GC and it helped but burnt the plants a little, if you want another organic certified product to fight PM then try JMS Stylet oil, its an eradicant and preventive cure for PM. I spray my plants every 10-14 days to stay on top of the PM. The only issue with the JMS Stylet Oil is its not available in every state.
Good luck.
Peace...
 

Chrono Batch

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From reading Silverbacks' posts i was convinced into purchasing Greencure and using it in my garden. I can say that this was probably one of the single best decisions for my garden that i have ever made. I live in a region that tends to have cool, humid autumns come late september-early october and every year around that time my plants would come down with botrytis (mould). This would result in colas being cut up to remove bits of mould, a loss of product, and a shit load of stress over the blight plaguing my garden. It was incredibly frustrating to see my hard work destroyed by brown, slimy mould and as i found out, it was incredibly unnecessary too. By applying Greencure at 3/4 tablespoons per gallon at the beginning of flowering (before the budsites had grown to cover the branch node to node) and once after the buds had become thick and established, i completely erased the presence of botrytis from my garden. Healthy, full harvests and no residual taste or effect on the finished product. If you are growing outside in a area even slightly prone to mould, you'd be doing yourself a disservice to not at least look into Greencure or a similar product. It has taken the worry out of growing during the autumn months for me and has allowed me to have bigger, better developed plants come harvest.
 

scandalous

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I'm getting Greencure asap. I grow in a swamp and the environment is thereby extremely humid. I put 25 plants out at the beginning of the season and deer decimated them all, or so I thought. 2 survived, but I hadn't checked on them in almost 2 months. One was in a good sunny spot and is now a 9' monster bush, the other was choked out by lack of light because it was surrounded and covered by 6' tall swamp grass and flowered early. It actually turned into a nice, 2' tall single stalk of bud after I moved it into the sun and gave it some tlc. It got powdery mildew a few weeks ago but I pinched off the affected leaves and a tiny piece of bud that had it and it hasn't showed any signs since. I think it's mostly because it has been SO wet that the mildew gets washed off every day. It has rained almost daily for a while now in my area. Starting tomorrow the weather predictions are sunny and warming for over a week. I'm thinking this will cause the swamp area to become extremely humid because the accumulated water will be quickly evaporating. The big plant hasn't even showed sex yet so I'm not too worried about mold problems with it for a while, but I'm sure the Greencure will come in handy later when she (fingers crossed) starts budding, especially if we have an unseasonably cool and wet fall like we have with spring and summer in my area.
 
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humboldtlocal

Can we get GreenCure in Cali? I have been using safer sulfur and serenade but this stuff sounds very promising. We don't have very wet weather here in the fall but as soon as we get that first October rain the mold definitely starts. I have some Greenhouses that always mold very bad.
 

fisher15

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I have some. A friend brought it from out of town, but I did try it last year in my growing endevours on the coast and feel it really helped. Still saw some botrytis on stems, but it never spread to flowers. They have a website, sure it can be ordered...
 

Helium3

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The chemical in GC is Potassium Bicarbonate, which is the same chemical as baking soda. However, after tallking with Customer service rep for GC, i was told GC is like baking soda as a candle is like a blow torch. GC is baking soda purified several hundred times and is very different ineffect than straight BSoda.

Well that's just not true, baking soda is sodium bicarbonate, not potassium. You won't get potassium bicarbonate from sodium bicarbonate even if you purified it a thousand times.

He told me that the reaction of plant species to the extreme acidity in GC varied widely

There's nothing extereme in potassium bicarbonate, at least not in the acidity. It is a weak base, not acid.

However, potassium bicarbonate seems to be quite effective fungicide. It's effectivenes is based on it's mild alkalinity, moulds can't grow on alkaline conditions. :yes:
 

D.S. Toker. MD

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Im sitting and reading the ingredients and it says "potassium Bicarbonate". Im sorry i mispoke on the Baking soda. Im just trying to help. Anything positive you can add to that discussion would be appreciated.
This stuff works. It is the only stuff available that works to my knowledge. After getting the disease, i watched video's and read 3 different expert cannabis growers advice about PM and mould. Georges Cervantes and others will quickly tell you their is no cure for PM. Just death. Now their is a cure and im trying to spread the info. In fact, ive emailed Georges C and told him to check the product out - he may want to edit his video.

http://www.megagro.com/greencure.htm

This link will provide you with one of the companies that ship GC, but if you google i think you will find numerous other companies that sell it. Its also sold by another name that isnt comming to me right now. I know a grower in poland that is using it.

I just have to say again how well it works. "kills on contact"is true. I sprayed my plants well and in 48 hours it was obvious they were better and new, unaffected growth is appearing. I had one plant that had one bud completely gooey from mould. I sprayed it well and while the end of the bud is dead, all the rest of the buds on the branch are disease free and growing well. I had another plant in which every branch was wilted. I sprayed it and over 1/2 of the plant has regenerated. Its a miracle.

Using this product takes a little practice but its worth it. No more mould. Im considering growing strains i could never grow before because of this product. It's critical to keep the dosage at 3/4 tablespoon per gallon. If you notice on the label, it will say in big letters, do not exceed recommended dosage". The white hairs on the plant can be burned if 3/4 tbs isnt followed but a 3/4 it is perfect.,.

I dont' have to worry about it comming back because ive started a bi weekly spraying just for safety's sake.
 

deeexit

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this greencure recipe seems very familiar :) I have been using this home made stuff for my tomatoes. Stuff should work on all mold cultures. :) And it is not a health hazard as rain washes it off later.

If anyone is interested...

about 5 l of water
add 2g of baking soda
add 2,5 tablespoons of any vegetable oil
add 1 teespoon of baby soap (it can really be any soap, but baby soap does not have any additives)

stir this well and then use a sprayer or something to spray your plants. While spraying, constantly shake your bottle, so that the ingridients stay mixed.

Thats it :) Best of luck!
 

D.S. Toker. MD

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Question: I had a couple of plants that every larger leaf had already been infected. Even though the greencure killed the disease, the leaves fell of anyway. These plants are 1/2 budded, will the buds continue to develop even though most of the larger leaves have fallen off??

deeexit, i think ive tried about everything including Backing Soda. It will have some effect on mould. Pm is another story- Zero effect. The problem with all home or anectdotal remedies is that the nature of mould and powdery mildew doesn't allow for second chances. It takes a few days to discover that you have the disease and since it kills in about a week, your first shot of treatment has to hit the bullseye or your dead. By the time the home remedy is sprayed on, it has to be 100% effective immediately because the few days you wait around to see if the stuff worked is the same time it takes the desease to kill your plant. In my case, it has been kill it now, right now or dont smoke this winter. Thank goodness and GC i will be smoking this winter.
 

ninsega

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Baking soda with water has saved many plants from powdery mildew and mold for me. I have the fortune of being able to walk to the SW corner of my property and spot if powdery mildew is occurring back there. If it is, I will spray whatever plants need it(whether they are MJ or pumpkins) with 1 Tablespoon to 1 gallon of water.

Sodium bicarbonate should work quite similarly to potassium bicarbonate. As to one being more pure than another, that sounds like BS. I can understand perhaps one is ground down finer than another, but they should both be relatively "pure." I would not be surprised if potassium is indeed somehow better than sodium at this job, but I still need to read up on such information.

These two compounds; sodium and potassium bicarbonate are bases and neutralize fungus and mildew's ability to use their acid to eat your leaves. Both should work.

EDIT: I looked up the two compounds' acidity. Sodium bicarbonate is more basic, at 10.3, while potassium bicarbonate is 8.2. The lower you go, the less basic. I believe potassium bicarbonate is a good choice for sensitive plants(perhaps), and sodium bicarbonate is a good choice for anything that can handle it.
 

deeexit

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ninsega is right, its all about acid ph with mold. If you raise your ph enough over neutral, the mold should loose its ability to feed and to reproduce. Its basic chemistry :)
 

Helium3

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I'm sorry D.S. Toker, didn't mean anything negative, it's just me being kind of a besserwisser :wallbash: Last summer I tried sodium bicarbonate spraying on some Lowryders which had started to develop mould a couple of days earlier. Unfortunately I wasn't able to rescue them, after about a week they were gone. However, at that time it was extremely humid conditions outdoors for a long period of time, and that combined with the wellknown mould sensitivity of Lowryder probably contributed a lot to my unsuccesfull treatment.

In mould prevention/killing I think that both sodium and potassium bicarbonates should work more or less equally, only if you need to spray the plant often it might be better to stay away from baking soda to avoid excess sodium buildup. As mentioned earlier, these agents work by making the plant surface slightly basic thus inhibiting the mould spore germination and killing the already established moulds, which thrive in slightly acidic environment.
 

nomaad

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It should be mentioned in this thread that in California, Potassium Bicarbonate is available as "Kaligreen."

Toker: Please have a look at my thread, linked below, and tell me if the burn I have looks like the burn you experienced. Thanks.
 

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