600w cooltube grow, grow advice welcomed

[lysol]

First off, whoever wants to hate on a newb trying to learn



suck on it





This is my Napelese Dragon, a lot of the roots look really thin but have fat fuzzy white root growth coming out of tap roots that look dead. I couldnt get a close up because of the 10" net pot but I have another plant in a 6" below.

It looks like really long fuzzy white root hairs, coming out of a seemingly dead root that is hair thin, so I'm thinking it could be mold too possibly. Here is a picture of the bottom roots which had a ton of brown gunk on them when this problem started, its mostly been washing off and the roots appear to still be growing although not thriving. Temps on this one are <= 74 with plenty of aeration






This one is white rhino, 2nd day of 12 / 12. You can see the "thin root syndrome" in the spots marked. This is the same thing but a lot more of the roots on the Napelse dragon are doing it. The root on the left you can see its thin at the top and then fat closer to the water. Water was touching the bottom of the net pots I just lowered it 1" below. It almost looks like the root is dying from the base of the plant down? Or is this normal? If you look closer you see the parts lower on the root appear fatter, wouldn't it die from the tips back or the whole root seemingly all at once? Temps on this one 64-68 F

 

[lysol]

Closeup of the N.D. white fuzzy roots, the root they branch from is thin and looks deadly.


The rig. The ND is vegging but was under the HPS for light. have some 6" blowers and 50lb carbon scrubber on the way

 

[geopolitical]

74 is a bit high for the solution. Would you describe the white threads as being "slimy"?

 

[lysol]

Nope fuzz, but it is the most fuzz ive ever seen on any roots ( after 5 or 6 soil harvests under my belt ). It looks exactly like feeder hairs but they are just insanely long, like .25cm long comin off the roots.

I guess the reason I think its mold is because for that many feeder roots u think the root theyre comin from would be more then a hair. My healthy plants are doing it too but not this much, maybe the root is just mid process of healing itself? Its comin along really slow.

The 10" net pots stink because you can't 1) put waterbottles 2) pain to open and view roots 3) harder to take picture of and see roots, etc.. etc... I'm sure if you were experienced and were able to run rDWC w/ a chiller it might not be that big of a deal, cant really drop it below 74 tho, at that point id just take a cutting and restart with a smaller net pot or something

 

[thoughtcollapse]

That root fuzz is fine and normal. Your temps are probably fine too. Just keep your guys in a dark bucket and don't leave your light on all the time. 4-6 hrs off time will help cool your rez and keep things cheery. Hope this is helpful.

 

[lysol]

thoughtcollapse, honored to get your first post, so you think the tap root they come off of will bulk up then given some more time? The bucket is insulated and 74 is the coldest my a/c goes with the hps running ( and all my PCs ), i always seem to luck out and get a rental with insufficient a/c, going to move in a few months so if anyone has any advice itd be helpful, im paranoid about asking the realtor to show me the a/c and all that, i could just make up a cover story about the pcs tho. My new place will be 1st story and I will run a rez with a chiller. I have the budget just not the means.

When my centrifugal blowers arrive I am hopeing to be able to run more efficient duct work and drop the temps a few degrees more, all the air cooling in the world isnt going to change the fact I am producing too much ambient heat though I suppose, but maybe I can spread it away from the plants better

I will update the thread as the plants progress. I am happy because I found someone I trust to be my safe addy since my "fedex computer part shipments" keep getting misplaced by my thieving neighbors

 

[thoughtcollapse]

Yeah, should thicken up with time.

 

[MAZEinaHAZE]

i agree with THOUGHTCOLLAPSE......there's a good chance, like all of us, we over analyze and scrutinize our gardens...

i certainly know that i'm guilty of it.....

you mentioned that your Rhino was only in the second day of 12/12 .....well that means the plant has probably recieved a fresh rez with a new -- bloom -- type solution, as well as the light cycle is now different. Its in a stall period, where it's not shocked for a bad reason, just a signal to change things up !!

you're cool dude.....let the nute solution and bubbles do their thing....always monitor them, but allow her to adapt to her new surroundings.

peace out

 

[MAZEinaHAZE]

lysol.....as per the Realtor.....which i am one, as well as a small time property investor..

look and ask about anything. in this day and age with values in the dumps.....high inventory of rentals, and big time technology push.....you don't seem odd asking or looking at the electric panel, closet space and/or your heating and cooling system.

its only because you know what you're doing, and why you need to know the answers...but the landlord or prop. manager is just gonna be happy with a "semi- anal, semi-know it all...semi-jack of all trades, that they will be happy as a pig in shit with a tenant candidate like yourself. don't get paranoid...they will have no idea Mary-Jane is the reason for the inquiries !!

sounds simple enough.....?? hope so

 

[lysol]

Good point, I think I can pull it off ;-)

In the meantime I am considering throwing up a tent and running the light at night! Which brings up another issue, I moved my bed into my living room which means I can't invite people to my house anymore without inviting questions as to why I don't sleep in my room, LOL. Was getting way too hot and the fan is noisy coming on at 8am.

As far as the WR nutes, I believe it's still running grow... I am starting to treat my plants more like the WEEDs they are and just let em grow, if it needs more N it'll tell me and I can do a nute changeout, likewise with P, K, etc... For now I want it to grow lots of leafs and stems so I kept it on the grow. The mazar sharif which is the one with the healthy roots is on its flower nutes now, its been sitting for a week under 12/ 12 cfls and got threw under the hps 2 days ago as well.

Do you guys think a grow tent is good value? What one would you buy and from where ( online ). I have a safe addy now so any site should be cool. Are those things light tight? Like could I have CFLs / flouros running right outside the tent 24/7 without light getting in. Currently I am vegging in a laundry room, lol. I was considering venting into the attic but if you guys think a tent plus running the lights at night would work imma do that. It certainly couldn't hurt to have my A/c running 10 - 4 nonstop, not that people think MJ, but if I were to be watched or something that kind of stuff is obvious. Currently theyre just in a closet, now that my beds out I could put it in the CENTER of the room to help with heat, but I was checking and light stands are almost as expensive as a tent, and tents are just more baller & secure.
Hopefully I am not over analyzing this too much, this all started 2yrs ago, seems to grow on you ( no pun intended ), 1 cfl becomes 8, becomes an HID with 25 plants, lol I have spent about $1k now upgrading... nutes, cool tube, fans, ducting, mediums, net pots, etc... Then again I pay up to $500 an oz for the good stuff ( I hate buying street shit thats still wet / not potent )



Also if I decide to run the lights at night, can I safely flip flop the light cycle w/ the plants flowering? Like push it back 3hrs one day, wait a few days push it back 3 more, etc... ( I know reversing day and night at once would fuck them lol and thats an understatement )

 

[lysol]

The mazar sharif was just plain eating itself alive so I took the top half and am trying to root it... it started flowering it was 1/2 week in.



The the white rhino which is the largest in the pics is on day 8, During that it received several 36hrs dark periods while I was playing with day vs night temps so basically its only a few "days" flowering. Just bumped from 350ppm to 400ppm and now 500ppm over the last week, it is showing a little deficiency in the lower leaves which goes along with why it stretched ( combined with cold nights and lots of darkness lol )




The seedling is big bang, I was burning it on only 250 ppm so I switched to all distilled and am running at 200ppm now.



this pic is old i realize i put the wrong one oh well. it is on a few more nodes throwing 5 finger fans

The Napelese dragon is running about 400ppm or so recovering from overnute, oh ya all my plants are under attack from severe brown algea, physan 20 arrives tomorrow by 4:30pm, I wash my roots daily and dose with h202 which keeps it manageable. I tied the ND for a few weeks and then cut her loose so she can level with the white rhino before I flip her



some time passes....



I received my 50lb carbonaire and some 6" valueline blowers, I set up a trap attic door with vent duct and am running lights at night and I switched my home AC to a programmable one as to drop the temps during night






Double layer blackout curtains and painters plastic staple gunned and masking taped to seal edges

these plants have all been stressed repeatedly so I dont feel like theyre doing as good as they could but I should be able to get plenty of personal stash and gain valuable experience for future grows

The ND and WR are both receiving a dose of open seseame, I am moving the ND and BB to the HPS and back to the veg area manually as much as possible.

Mazar sharif cutting should root soon, just popped a super silver haze bean and set up it's bucket


Oh yeah I had 2 airstones right by eachother and notice my roots grew mostly on that side for every plant so I put 1 air stone opposite side of the bucket from the other now so the bubbles pop 360 degrees so the roots can grow out in all directions

In the pic with the light you can see the high temp shutdown probe on a stake about level with the tops

 

[Vegan]

other than the carpet and the wires on the ground///////// looks like you are gonna have some fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lysol]

First, I put the sativa on 100ppm ( using RO water so most of that is nutes ). It started burning BAD and FAST so I had to switch to all RO water flush for 48hrs. Normal growth resumes and a tap root emerges, I use an eyedropper to add 20 drops of veg nutes, my meter registers no conductivity so I assume my ppms are ~50ppm ( < .2ec ) and hopefully it will not burn as I gradually ween it back on nutes.

 

[lysol]

This big bang I kept on 100ppm so far. Recently lower leaves started looking whiteish and then yellowed and eventually I cut them off. Then the upper fans started getting speckled necrosis. The leaves have curled under like this since day 1. I just upped ppm to 250ppm. That is starting with RO water as well.

It is under 100w Mh security light + 2 x 23w daylight CFLs

I am having root issues you can see new growth on the right is white and rigid, old growth is stained and flabby like a wet noodle, thin like a human hair.. root necrosis? temps are in check 73F max usually lower 70s high 60s. Obviously cant be burnt on 100ppm ;-) its a mystery, I am a cursed grower.

 

[lysol]

The white rhino is on the 3rd week. the tops look burnt, the bottoms look def. I have raised up to 800ppm and the yellowing at the bottom kept progressing. I lower to 350 ppm and it speeds up, the tops remain burnt looking.

On the last pic there is a fan with an even # of fingers ( a little mutant finger is coming out of the base of the fan leave where the leaf connects to the "stipule"? thing. You can also see the really fat branch, it is a double branch, it puts out 2 fans at each side of it's nodes, Its literally like 2 stems connected with a double bud forming on the top.

Right now I have it on a fresh solution of 500ppm ( 1ec ) tiger bloom w/ a little beastie blooms ( 50ppm of that ). I'm sure Im screwing up bad so any help would be awesome

It is a very sweet fruit like smell, reminds me of kush.

 

[lysol]

More white rhino. Roots have been attacked majorly by slime. To the point it feels like theyre growing backwards ( everyday theres more detached roots broken loose ). physan 20 is the only thing keeping it in control.

Before that I was washing roots daily or the slime was growing out of control. 2 drops of the physan per gal keeps things in check, running it continuously now.

 

[lysol]

Napalese Dragon was veggin at 500ppm, switched to flower and dropped to 350ppm, yellowing ensued. Currently at 400-450ppm range. Will probably up it to around 600ppm if you guys think thats a good amount to increase?

Last pic is my fortune, taped it to my thermometer lol


I am using RO water, only the cal + mag my nutes have, is this setting me up for disaster?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

See the way the side shoots kind of make it look like a pole ladder? In my experience that's a sure sign of pH that's too high. Are you setting your pH at 5.2-5.4 to start out?

Did I miss what nutes you're using? If you want simplicity and great results, you should be using GH FloraNova Bloom only.... at least until you learn how to grow.


All your root issues are stemming from your environment being out of whack. Your 74F room is too hot for a DWC setup unless you have cool air blowing past the res. That res water needs to stay below 70F. Get that fixed and you can get rid of the physan.

You can do the pop bottle shuffle. Sucks ass but I've done it on more than one occasion. Get a bunch of 12oz to 1 gallon jugs (depending on the size of your rez), fill them almost all the way with water and freeze them. Drop one into your res and change it out with a fresh one (if necessary). I used to go through 2 1L bottles of ice a day. No root rot, no Physan.

Another issue might be the Dissolved Oxygen levels in your rez. You should have a LOT of bubbles in your res. I've found the ceramic stones to be a bit pricey but totally worth the money since they last forever. The finer the bubble size, the better off you'll be.


When you get your environment fixed you'll stop pulling your hair out. If 74F is the lowest you'll ever be able to go, switch to E&F or drip using Hydroton.... your res temp can be 80F and it's not an issue. I live in the desert and have already done the DWC battle and am loving E&F & drip through Hydroton.

Stay Safe!

 

[lysol]

See the way the side shoots kind of make it look like a pole ladder? In my experience that's a sure sign of pH that's too high. Are you setting your pH at 5.2-5.4 to start out?

Did I miss what nutes you're using? If you want simplicity and great results, you should be using GH FloraNova Bloom only.... at least until you learn how to grow.


All your root issues are stemming from your environment being out of whack. Your 74F room is too hot for a DWC setup unless you have cool air blowing past the res. That res water needs to stay below 70F. Get that fixed and you can get rid of the physan.

You can do the pop bottle shuffle. Sucks ass but I've done it on more than one occasion. Get a bunch of 12oz to 1 gallon jugs (depending on the size of your rez), fill them almost all the way with water and freeze them. Drop one into your res and change it out with a fresh one (if necessary). I used to go through 2 1L bottles of ice a day. No root rot, no Physan.

Another issue might be the Dissolved Oxygen levels in your rez. You should have a LOT of bubbles in your res. I've found the ceramic stones to be a bit pricey but totally worth the money since they last forever. The finer the bubble size, the better off you'll be.


When you get your environment fixed you'll stop pulling your hair out. If 74F is the lowest you'll ever be able to go, switch to E&F or drip using Hydroton.... your res temp can be 80F and it's not an issue. I live in the desert and have already done the DWC battle and am loving E&F & drip through Hydroton.

Stay Safe!

Im using fox farms, I prefer not to change nutes because it would involve an extra trip to a hydro store. and correction 74 is like the highest, I do use frozen bottles which drops it to 65F and the buckets are well insulated. Dunno 74 is only if I dont use ice that day. The people in the slime thread were running 60F and still got the slime, it is actually a bacteria ( called brown algea ) that does not need light or high temps to form. I've had the slime on pearly white roots too so I'm not sure if its really correlated I thought it was at first though. Its definitely not phyth because it washes right off the roots with a little water pressure

What do you mean by pole ladder, the side shoots going horizontal you mean instead of more down? I am PHing down daily I try to take it to 5.5 or 5.4 at the lowest, I guess I should go lower on that bucket? That is a 8" net pot which was a major mistake for my first hydro run, less solution in that bucket.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I'm seriously not being a hater here. Trying to give good advice to help you.


I've been reading a bunch of your other posts.... where you've 'helped' people out and it's no wonder you're having issues. Please do yourself (and other noobs) a favor and read for a few more months before giving advice again.

I can't believe some of the stuff I've read that you've posted. Amazing.