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maryjohn

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MJ is easy, you can let it go pretty fucking far before it gets stunted. you'll probably transplant well before that. A little stress is good anyway.
 

jaykush

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if you can slide the plant out of the pot easily. and its full of roots its time to transplant. what you dont want is the roots to start circling the pot, that is bad.
 

maryjohn

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I wonder, does myco infection of the roots help? Because I did some squashes this year that should have died after transplanting, and they all thrived. They were very mature, which is a no-no for transplanting squash. They were also very infected by the myco.

same deal for MJ? or just a fluke?
 

Clackamas Coot

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Mycorrhiza inoculation is part of the horticulture industry. The roots are either dipped into a slurry using micronized mycorrhizae or applied as part of the watering at time of transplant. It's also mixed directly into the new potting soil by larger operations.

The suggested rate by Mycorrhizal Applications is 2 - 3 tsp. per 5 gallons of potting soil.

Dipping into a slurry is less expensive.

CC
 

jaykush

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mycorrhizal helps for sure, but once the plants roots start circling the pot ive never seen them fully recover from it.
 

Clackamas Coot

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Jaykush

That's why I started using the auto-pruning nursery pot products (like SmartPots, et al.) - no circling at all. Ever.

BUT - removing the plant from a small SmartPot for transplant definitely messes with the root ball unless you're really good (I'm not). I found a product similar to SmartPots which are made in China from soft-drink bottles and they are $.60 each (3 gallon) so that they're cheap enough to simply cut the pot away from the root ball limiting any damage/shock to the plant.

Plus these pots from China a bio-degradable so that's a benefit.

HTH

CC
 
Mycorrhiza inoculation is part of the horticulture industry. The roots are either dipped into a slurry using micronized mycorrhizae or applied as part of the watering at time of transplant. It's also mixed directly into the new potting soil by larger operations.

The suggested rate by Mycorrhizal Applications is 2 - 3 tsp. per 5 gallons of potting soil.

Dipping into a slurry is less expensive.

CC
cc,first of all i'm an old hillbilly wannabe cowboy and i love yer handle...now to the question..could you put what you said into laymans terms..i went through all 9 grades and it aint helped a damd bit..hehehe...seriously,i was raised on a tobacco farm and we raised acres of garden..as far as i remember we just put stuff in the ground and it grew all over the place..sooo,i thought this maryjane thang would be easy and never imagined i'd be on the internet tryin to find sushi to grow a fkn plant..i realize now that we had exceptionally good ground but thats another story..(if you cant already tell,i've got ocd,thats why im doin what i'm doin) my questiopn is..do i put cuttings in peat,compost and manure,pine bark mulch,and or perlite..thats all i've got and can afford til 1st of month.....got off on 2 different subjects....i'm tryin to transplant one and take cuttings from 2 more..
 
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Clackamas Coot

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cosmiccowboy

What you have currently will provide you with a good garden, IMHO.

Using mycorrhiza is a way to maximize your efforts. It's not necessary and in fact many of the new fertilizer products that you might purchase at a nursery center contain 'beneficial microbes'

Beneficial microbes is the new 'hot button' for fertilizer manufacturers. They'll display that proudly on the box.

HTH

CC
 
cosmiccowboy

What you have currently will provide you with a good garden, IMHO.

Using mycorrhiza is a way to maximize your efforts. It's not necessary and in fact many of the new fertilizer products that you might purchase at a nursery center contain 'beneficial microbes'

Beneficial microbes is the new 'hot button' for fertilizer manufacturers. They'll display that proudly on the box.

HTH

CC
cc,would you put cuttings in just peat or add some of the compost manure and perlite?
 

Clackamas Coot

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For rooting a cutting I would go with straight peat moss with perlite/pumice. About 2 parts of peat and 1 part perlite/pumice should serve you well.

What rooting product (if any) do you have available in your area?

CC
 

Clackamas Coot

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That'll work. Some people do not use any rooting products and are happy with the results.

Seaweed extract like the one I mentioned on your sushi thread is a good thing to use to wet your peat moss. Seaweed extract products (including kelp meal tea) contain a couple of rooting agents (I can't recall their specific names).

Rooting a cutting isn't the nightmare that it's been made out to be. You certainly do not need a $400.00 machine from EZ-Cloner to accomplish this rather ancient process (about 2,500 years in China).

Patience is the best ingredient that you can have at your disposal to get the roots to develop. Rooting powder is widely used as are the liquid and gel products. They all contain the exact same basic chemicals.

HTH

CC
 
That'll work. Some people do not use any rooting products and are happy with the results.

Seaweed extract like the one I mentioned on your sushi thread is a good thing to use to wet your peat moss. Seaweed extract products (including kelp meal tea) contain a couple of rooting agents (I can't recall their specific names).

Rooting a cutting isn't the nightmare that it's been made out to be. You certainly do not need a $400.00 machine from EZ-Cloner to accomplish this rather ancient process (about 2,500 years in China).

Patience is the best ingredient that you can have at your disposal to get the roots to develop. Rooting powder is widely used as are the liquid and gel products. They all contain the exact same basic chemicals.

HTH

CC
wont have seaweed extract til sat but can i somehow use that dried laver stuff for cuttings...it comes in sheets...could i put it in blender then just mix it up with peat and perlite?..how much would i use?...i honestly wish i'd never bought this stuff cause i dont know how to control it...thats primary reason why i'm goin with lc's mix and all organic..
 
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cc,before i found this board i was on one that was strictly for basic garden and plants...this guy had some stuff and it was called 'AL'S MIX'...spagnum peat,pine bark fines,perlite and dolomite lime...thats what i've got plants in now but here's the kicker..he said to use mg all purpose fertilize....would dxreive a crazy person nuts tryin to figure out how much and when to feed(if you have no experience in that area)...anywho,i'm just tryin to baby them along and dont feed unless they yellow real bad......cant wait to get LC'S MIX and #1 organic food recipe goin so i'll have everything my plants need in the soil..
 

Clackamas Coot

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wont have seaweed extract til sat but can i somehow use that dried laver stuff for cuttings...it comes in sheets...could i put it in blender then just mix it up with peat and perlite?..how much would i use?...i honestly wish i'd never bought this stuff cause i dont know how to control it...thats primary reason why i'm goin with lc's mix and all organic..
I apologize but I'm not familiar with that term - dried laver

CC
 

Clackamas Coot

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cc,before i found this board i was on one that was strictly for basic garden and plants...this guy had some stuff and it was called 'AL'S MIX'...spagnum peat,pine bark fines,perlite and dolomite lime...thats what i've got plants in now but here's the kicker..he said to use mg all purpose fertilize....would dxreive a crazy person nuts tryin to figure out how much and when to feed(if you have no experience in that area)...anywho,i'm just tryin to baby them along and dont feed unless they yellow real bad......cant wait to get LC'S MIX and #1 organic food recipe goin so i'll have everything my plants need in the soil..
Cosmiccowboy

I'm assuming you're talking about the generic term "Al's Mix" and not a specific brand, correct?

Keep in mind that the overwhelming potting soil mixes that you'll find at generic gardening web sites are for maintaining house plants and are not well suited for growing annual plants at all. In fact many of these mixes actually keep the plant from growing 'too big' with redwood by-products being the best one to accomplish that.

To best help you, what products do you have available where you live? Pro Mix? Sunshine Mix? Peat moss? Coconut coir? Perlite? Pumice?

Knowing what you have to work with would be helpful to answer your questions.

BTW - weren't you the one who was asking about Thoroughbred Compost yesterday? I looked at their web site and based on the information that they provided I would strongly recommend that you get a price and while you have them on the phone ask them about buying peat moss or coconut coir and even perlite. They're in the business of manufacturing compost and soil mixes and they would be a good place to start, IMHO

HTH

CC
 

maryjohn

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he got some nori wraps to replace kelp. laver is the seaweed.

cowboy, just use what you got and can get, forget about the finer points right now. Like clack says.
 
Cosmiccowboy

I'm assuming you're talking about the generic term "Al's Mix" and not a specific brand, correct?

Keep in mind that the overwhelming potting soil mixes that you'll find at generic gardening web sites are for maintaining house plants and are not well suited for growing annual plants at all. In fact many of these mixes actually keep the plant from growing 'too big' with redwood by-products being the best one to accomplish that.

To best help you, what products do you have available where you live? Pro Mix? Sunshine Mix? Peat moss? Coconut coir? Perlite? Pumice?

Knowing what you have to work with would be helpful to answer your questions.

BTW - weren't you the one who was asking about Thoroughbred Compost yesterday? I looked at their web site and based on the information that they provided I would strongly recommend that you get a price and while you have them on the phone ask them about buying peat moss or coconut coir and even perlite. They're in the business of manufacturing compost and soil mixes and they would be a good place to start, IMHO

HTH

CC
cc,i called that place and they wanted $30 for one backho full..sounded like a good deal but i got to thinkin it might be too much to deal with right now...sooo,went to southern states and got some "statesman compost and manure"..at the time i was lookin for replacement for ewc but have since found a location(same place i'm gettin the soluble seaweed extract) to purchase ewc...soo,i'm thinkin i can use a combination of worm castings and compost and manure in the basic lc's mix...what do you think?....all kinds of horse farms around me so thats probably where horse manure/bedding came from..
 
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