Ebb & Flo, Ebb & gro, Lucas formula with Floranova

[gmanwho]

High all, just about to setup my ebb & gro for the first time.Making my way back to hydro. Got the cap version. Looking to go with simplicity this run for nutes.After some reading, i decided to go with floranova bloom through out flower. Just looking to add either pk/13/14 or gh's liquid kool bloom around day 25-30, then around day 5o or so again. a zyme product as well throughout.

Right now i got 15"-18" multi topped plants alomost ready to go in. A few more days on the roots. Been running gh's micro bloom at the 6/9 ratio and all is looking well. been under a 600mh the past week and a half and things are looking lovely. i am liking the diy flood trays already. Nice an simple so far.


The main flower room is one big white refelctor, c02, 80 for temps. 2 600's verticle eyes on a light mover placed 3.5 ft apart. these will travel over the 16 buckets.

So with that said, looking for some insight if you are running the floranova lucas formula at the 8mil a gal suggested.

So if u have ran floranova with en ebb & flo setup........ Did u used a pk booster? if u used a booster, did you adjust the fnb to say 6mil a gal fnb, and then 2 mil per gal of pk booster? Your ph prefernces as well?

Floranova bloom experiences please.....

B-safe

*edit * other important questions, when you add back to the rez, you use straight tap, ro, or half strength nutes. Your start height at flower begging, pending you have standard ceilings ? multi top or natural style plants?

 

[GrnAlien]

Hey there!

I run the GreenTrees version, and have a decent amount of experience with it. I run GH Flora Micro/Bloom, as well as liquid Kool Bloom for the first two weeks of flower. I finish with Pure Flowers or powdered KoolBloom. I run silica and a fulvic/humid acid the entire grow(actually, I stop this two weeks before harvest). Flush with pH'd H20. As far as pH, I usually run it anywhere from 5.5 to 6.0, with great results.

I'm super happy with the Multiflow, and have a second unit for veggin'. Let me know if you have any questions.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

So if u have ran floranova with en ebb & flo setup........ Did u used a pk booster? if u used a booster, did you adjust the fnb to say 6mil a gal fnb, and then 2 mil per gal of pk booster? Your ph prefernces as well?

Are you running Lucas or just FNB? If Lucas, no booster. *shrug*

Personally I'm using some GH Rare Earth as a foliar spray (It's too hot and bright in my grow space) but I wouldn't add anything to the res.


You're running 600w lamps so mix at 8ml/gal and go from there. If they look like it's too much, back off a tad. FNB is great stuff all on it's own, just be sure to flush for at least 10 days. \
Edit: pH initially at 5.2 and let it creep to 6.1... personally I knock it back down to 5.2 when it hits 5.8 but I'm still a newb and looking at how things get affected.

 

[hempathy.inc]

I am running the greentrees multiflow with fnb lucas formula and I added hygrozyme at 2ml
a gal and now my plants seem to look lime green. Just switched to 12/12 2 days ago. Is thos normal with hygrozyme. Ph is 6.2.

 

[EvilTwin]

Hi Guys,
I'm a new multi-pot E&F guy and wanted to follow your grow Gman. You'll get lots of useful help.

I'm with hydro-soil on the ph drift. Better nutrient absorption and just a more relaxed way to go.

Hempathy...the hygrozyme is merely an enzyme cocktail. Shouldn't effect your plants N status. Did you switch to bloom nutes right away? Some people continue with veg nutes till the initial stretch is over.
Peace,
ET

 

[hempathy.inc]

I dont use veg nutes I just use FNB the whole time. Evill Twin can you post a pic of how you run your reservoir into your sealed room?

 

[EvilTwin]

I dont use veg nutes I just use FNB the whole time. Evill Twin can you post a pic of how you run your reservoir into your sealed room?

My Apologies Gman...
Hempthy...this is called highjacking a thread. I don't run a sealed room. I don't have my res outside the room. You didn't read my post very well. And keep any further discussion on this over on the multi-pot thread. Not on someones personal grow thread.

And your plants aren't as green as you'd like because you aren't giving them enough N.
ET

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I am running the greentrees multiflow with fnb lucas formula and I added hygrozyme at 2ml
a gal and now my plants seem to look lime green. Just switched to 12/12 2 days ago. Is thos normal with hygrozyme. Ph is 6.2.

How many ml/gal of the FNB? You should be mixing around 8ml/gal

Dump the hygrozyme.

Drop your pH to 5.2 and let it creep up from there. (Edit: Don't let it go higher than 6.2 and I never go over 6.1 if I can help it.)


Do you have a ppm/EC meter or are you only testing pH?

Edit: Don't worry about the light green, there's plenty of N in the FNB when you use the correct amount.

 

[hempathy.inc]

Whoa...sorry never meant to "hijack" the thread I just thought since in the first post its says state your experiences with FNB and I use FNB and my plants seem a little lime green with it I was stating my experience (albeit a short one so far) and seeing what others using the same product had to say. And about the picture question I had asked you in the other Multifow Thread and hadnt noticed you responded. Once again sorry I was just looking for some help and I thought thats what this whole site was about no need to start a problem. Again my apologies Gman didnt know I was "hijacking" your personal grow thread.




Hydro-Soil- right now I am using 6ml/gal and yes I have and PPM meter the reading is at 850 ppm. Thanks for trying to help.

 

[gmanwho]

Hempathy or eviltwin..... NP about hijacking the thread, atleast the responses are about FNB at the lucas ratio and ph. I read and read everywhere, but i am hoping to get a centralized point for this style of hydro and nute sceduling . FNB Lucas ratio and ebb & flo.

Hempathy... Maybe your lime green could be steming from the 6.2 ph? 6.2 seems to high to continually run throughout. but you let it drift to 6.2 after a day or 2 that sounds normal to me. But if u ph to 5.6-5.8, and 2 floods later its at 6.2 then thats another issue,or if it keeps raising even higher...

It could be that you have just switched from lower level lighting to higher level lighting and the roots cant keep up yet. could be root problems,could be lighting to close or higher temps in there. I would drop the ph abit. When running High level lighting, improper ph's or nute imbalance can bring defeciencies on real quick. try dropping your ph5.8, raise the light some if you running hid lighting and see what happens in a few days.

Grnalien:
my past experiences with fulvic , and other experiences with silica have all seemed to be positive. One thing if i remember correctly.... i think it said on the rare earth bottle, which is fulvic or humic acid, said something about not running it after early bloom or something like that. maybe im wrong?? Thanks for the insight. once i get this dialed in i will start to mess with additives again.

Also, i thought about the 6/9 ratio with using the liquid KB, the rezipe from rez. I have all the nutes on hand for both routes, fnb, or the 6/9 with kb. decisions...

I have also read that people noted on multiple occasions that when the switched from the 6/9 or the 8/16 ratio to the 8 mil fnb, they noticed a great increase in the taste department. Now thou, if the were previously running the 6/9 ratio WITH the KB is the question. I wanna say no that they didnt use the kb. Will the kb make a differnces to increase the oil production to produce that increased taste...i'd say ya.

But now the rezipe, or the fnb at 8???? This was my dilemma prior to this thread start..

Hydro soil:
So u bring your ph to 5.2 and let it drift to 5.8 . humm i was thinking going 5.8 and drifting to 6.2 then ph again. I always seem to have def issues if i go below 5.6 in the past, when i ran a recirc dwc.

As for seeing if the 8mil was too hot to start with, i was actually thinking the first week of running 6 mil fnb anyways. then the 2nd week up to the 8.


Some feelings of my nute sced is i would like to incorporate the kb in there. when used correctly,kb can increase you sites hugely. I have used int incorrectly before and have seen the neagative results. but i have also used it properly and have been blown away with the step up it creates.

im thinking.... just thinking, If i do add liquid kb, i will drop back the fnb to 5 or 6 mil per gal. kb add Week 3 and 5 or 6. Flush 7-10 days depending on health and strain when they get there. I have yet to see what 6mil per gal or 8 per gall fnb comes up for ppms.

I like the ease of 1 part nutes,fnb. but i also would like to drop the n later in flower as well,6/9 and then dropping the 6. adding to my dilemma.

thanks all for the replies. Not sure if im gonna turn this thread into a diary yet.. eviltwin you got me thinking about it now

B-safe

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Hydro soil:
So u bring your ph to 5.2 and let it drift to 5.8 . humm i was thinking going 5.8 and drifting to 6.2 then ph again. I always seem to have def issues if i go below 5.6 in the past, when i ran a recirc dwc.

Dunno where this 5.8 came in as optimum but it's wrong. The flame wars were fast and furious about that during the OG and CW days and the winner was 5.2. All the grows I saw proved it without a doubt. *shrug*

What sucks is that between the time those sites went down and the time I started growing again, I'd forgotten it myself. I started using the 5.8 like everyone recommends now. Stupid me. Went back to 5.2 and everything is awesome again. *shrug*

If you're in DWC and you don't have an auto-top off on your res, pH to 5.4. Otherwise the pH will drop too low before you do your add-back. I also recommend pH'ing to 5.4 if you're using drops since they're not as accurate as a pen. Top off twice a day for best results. It keeps the pH swing manageable for the plants.

 

[JackKerouac]

I use FNB in bubble buckets. I have low ppm tap water, so I don't adjust pH thanks to the pH buffers. I swap out nutes every week and a half or so and have had no problems with strains like Neville's Haze, Skunk 1, Blueberry, and Northern Lights.

For flower, I add a teaspoon of Liquid Kool Bloom when I see flowers forming, then 2 teaspoons at day 21 to pack on the weight. I use dry Kool Bloom the last week and a half at a little less than 1/4 tsp. per gallon before flush.

It works well. Very little trimming. Very hard nugs.

 

[gmanwho]

Hi hs , thanks for the insight. I always see 2 basic sets of numbers people use in bloom for PH. its usually like 5.2-5.6, or 5.8-6.0. 5.2, or 5.8 as a start is quite a difernce.

I do use tap, 60-70ppm. wondering where you run your ph in veg for hydro?

B-safe

Dunno where this 5.8 came in as optimum but it's wrong. The flame wars were fast and furious about that during the OG and CW days and the winner was 5.2. All the grows I saw proved it without a doubt. *shrug*

What sucks is that between the time those sites went down and the time I started growing again, I'd forgotten it myself. I started using the 5.8 like everyone recommends now. Stupid me. Went back to 5.2 and everything is awesome again. *shrug*

If you're in DWC and you don't have an auto-top off on your res, pH to 5.4. Otherwise the pH will drop too low before you do your add-back. I also recommend pH'ing to 5.4 if you're using drops since they're not as accurate as a pen. Top off twice a day for best results. It keeps the pH swing manageable for the plants.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I do use tap, 60-70ppm. wondering where you run your ph in veg for hydro?

B-safe

Sounds like some nice tap water.

I use the same pH for both veg and bloom. Never saw any reason to change it and I use FNB in veg as well.

 

[hempathy.inc]

so I changed out res and added only FNB @ 8ml/gal and ph'd to 5.2 how long should ph be ok for?

 

[gmanwho]

Just wanted to throw up a pic or 2 of the flo table right now. Some light burn from the lamp on some of the leaves after a few foliar feedings of some rhizotonic. They also grew into the lamp really quick, whiich also can attribute to some of the leaf burn. very minimal still

In all i am very happy with running the 6/9 micro bloom. these have been ph'd at 5.8 and allowed 2 days to drift to 6.2 then ph'd to 5.8 again. Addback is straight tap. For the most part they are nice and healthy and dark green. Very little phos def showing in the stems. One perticular plant, the early pearl's, are showing some leaf twist and light green patches. But there are other ep's in the table that are beautiful. Im thinking it must be linked to that plant having a underdevloped root zone. ( i forgot to plug in the control box for the timer one night, they where without any floods for about 16hrs. Some roots died off and since new roots have been forming. probably explaing my light green twist on some and not others)

Some are still in 5" net pots, and others have been transferred to the ebb & gro buckets but still are in the flood table. Left side is gro buckets, right side 5" net's

Right side 5" pots

Sour diesel at 18" in gro bucket, ready to go

Hydrosoil, I Lowered my ph to 5.4 last night. So well see what happens

I am going to try to get them into the flower room by the end of the weekend. still have some work to do in there before they enter.


B-safe and thanks for looking

 

[EvilTwin]

Nice looking plants Gman.

That sour diesel looks especially promising...but I'm a sativa fan anyway. Show me a skinny leaf and I go all gaga. Actually those leaves aren't all that skinny. It is a sativa leaning plant though, correct?

I use 5.4 as my low ph setting too. Has always worked out well for me. Even got it as low as 5.2 (by accident) and I let it ride with no problems.
Peace,
ET

 

[gmanwho]

Et, i have yet to run this SD. Or smoke it. i missed the finished product awhile back. The cut was gifted. i know it came from cali, grassroots or cmc. Was told by a reliable source that it was a great plant and very promising, and that i should give her a try.

The leaves are actually rather thick for a sativa dom plant i would say. nothing like my nlxhaze, which is new to me as well.

The sd is a very vigorous plant, very healthy, nice velvety feel, strong odors when brushing the leaves. Very vigorous, when i pull a leaf, with in seconds there is a gush of water trying to push out the wound. very responsive in alot of ways and clones easy. So far she gets an "grade A" so far, atleast comparing to whatever i have grown in my garden.

The early pearl is nothing to shy at either. VERY VERY VERY frosty when she is ran right. In all honesty, in dwc, she could look like the NL pic on the front page of Icmag. When she's ran right.

I just gotta keep treating them for spider mites. I would be rip shit if they appear in flower. Been taking extra extra extra precautions. running floramite and azatrol now at 3 day intervals on every plant i have, weither i see mites or not, which i haven't in 2 weeks. Even checking with my microscope. Cleaning everything, picking up any falling leaves, just keeping things clean period. Mites suck. i really stepped up my fight thou.

B-safe


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[Hydro-Soil]

Looking nice

You should get a bit better growth at 5.4 How long it takes the pH to rise depends on your setup and the number of plants. As they eat the nutes, the ppm will drop and the pH will go up. Adding nutes to bring the ppm back up will drop the pH again.

If you have a bubbler stone in you res, the nutrient crust that builds up is taking nutes out of your solution and your pH will rise faster than without a stone.

When the pH doesn't drop back down far enough (after adding nutes), take it the rest of the way down with pH down.

 

[gmanwho]

Hs. gotta a question.. day 3 of 12/12 could only comfortably fit 14 on the 8ft area, thinking i should of went with 12,but we'll see.

Since things were going so well with the 6/9 ratio, i decided to go with the rezipe through bloom. But running the ph from 5.4-6.2 and adding some floralicious bloom stim as well at 2 mil a gal and 3 mil per gal of cannazyme.

oK, so my taps under 100, 70-90 ppm, my 6/9 the zyme the floralicious b bring me to 1050-1070 ppm @.7 conversion. there drinking water at what seems to be about 2 or so gals a day right now, my ph is rising and my ppm is rising. ppm rose to 1090.

I have not add back yet, but will at 1/3 strength.

Since my ppm is rising, that means there drinking abit more then there eating right now. correct? since its not a drastic increase in ppm, it is safe to say the nute solution isn't to strong, no tip burn either.

Now if my ppm was rising more drastic, that would indicate to run a weaker solution; correct??

thanks ..

Just for reference here is the rezipe. It was based on using coco as a medium. But i see why no reason why with a little tweaking it wouldnt be perfect for a flood system. I have red others using the 6/9 with hydro having excellent results.

I already feel that some of the stages should be extended and the flush would start abit later. Guess were gonna see. Read the plants, then read the chart.

Based on 63 day 12/12 Flower Cycle:

Day 1-14
6ml micro
9ml bloom

Day 15-21
6ml micro
9ml bloom
7ml Kool-Bloom Liquid (0-10-10)

Day 22-28
9ml Bloom

Day 29-35
9ml Bloom
7ml Kool-Bloom Liquid (0-10-10)

Day 36-52
9 ml Bloom

Day 50-63 (Flush)
6.0 pH h20 at <100 ppm





Thanks for checking in i ll throw some pics up in a few days ,,, b-safe