No problem mate, yeah that was pretax, got em from a local shop and they give me a 20% discount off their already really good prices. I can't believe how many shops charge full retail for stuff!
New 8KW stealth Coco chip grow!
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No problem mate, yeah that was pretax, got em from a local shop and they give me a 20% discount off their already really good prices. I can't believe how many shops charge full retail for stuff!
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dongle69
Lazy i can tell ya right now that the HPS will yeild more... Ive done side by sides cause i didnt want to spend the money and buy another hps and at the end of the crop i would have made my hps money back and then some....
Also your questions with additives or no additives im guessing is for when using the lucas... i know some people using the lucas and my shit blows his out of the water.... maybe just my thumb not sure but his stuff doesnt make me want to switch...
I like to pick a line and stick with it.... once you have it down you can start adding or subtracting additives to see what it does or doesnt do for ya....
And with chems vs organics... I would say organics gives you the taste chem gives you the yield... But if you properly flush ( i do for two weeks) Shit taste good and clean everytime....
Only thing with Organics is its a different world... 1000's of ways to do them... I do mine by making tea's.... Had good results first time with coco atm.... so not sure how they did but im comparing organics to chem but in dirt....
I think chems alot easier... and if you fidn the right combo of shit to give them they will explode in hydro.... Problem is you got alot of strain and you cant dial shit in.... If you could find one or two strains you could boost your yield... If you SOGin it find a good plant you can get 3/4 to a ounce off of thats potent enough and grow that.... You may be growing for diff reasons then me... but im sure you want the excess to go to the dispensaries....i just spent 1500 on seeds to find a SOG gem you got the clubs your lucky.... good luck im following along...
and about to set up a new house in the next 3 weeks... so expect alot of questions to come your way so i can start off good... lol
Also your questions with additives or no additives im guessing is for when using the lucas... i know some people using the lucas and my shit blows his out of the water.... maybe just my thumb not sure but his stuff doesnt make me want to switch...
I like to pick a line and stick with it.... once you have it down you can start adding or subtracting additives to see what it does or doesnt do for ya....
And with chems vs organics... I would say organics gives you the taste chem gives you the yield... But if you properly flush ( i do for two weeks) Shit taste good and clean everytime....
Only thing with Organics is its a different world... 1000's of ways to do them... I do mine by making tea's.... Had good results first time with coco atm.... so not sure how they did but im comparing organics to chem but in dirt....
I think chems alot easier... and if you fidn the right combo of shit to give them they will explode in hydro.... Problem is you got alot of strain and you cant dial shit in.... If you could find one or two strains you could boost your yield... If you SOGin it find a good plant you can get 3/4 to a ounce off of thats potent enough and grow that.... You may be growing for diff reasons then me... but im sure you want the excess to go to the dispensaries....i just spent 1500 on seeds to find a SOG gem you got the clubs your lucky.... good luck im following along...
and about to set up a new house in the next 3 weeks... so expect alot of questions to come your way so i can start off good... lol
Aw man that's cool! I'd be honored to help with your new grow! PM me if you need an autowatering system, I've got a new idea that should be better than anything ever made and pretty simple. Would work indoors or anywhere you can get water actually, but think, vertical, 1800W and drip to waste coco with no reservoir or power needed. Hehehe
I think I'm gonna try AN 2 part in one res, should be fun. Because I don't have 300 clones I can't pack my tables with tiny tiny plants, I think I have to veg a little to get them to take up some more room and do 1-1.5 ounce plants. I'd be happy with 1 I think, even 1.25 would be killer. Might have to pick em a little early anyway due to an inspection, but it is what it is. Hoping I can still afford the CO2 setup I want, I don't know yet.
I hear you on the strains, I'm down to just 3 but it's getting really hard to find enough clones in one strain (that aren't 2 inches tall) Gonna have to start lookin elsewhere.
Thanks very much for all that info man, that's a big help! Yep yield is important, I can only do 4 harvests a year so they all count and have to be enough for all of my patients too! That last harvest got me a lot of long faces, can't let them down like that again.
I have to agree with you on the organic taste and quality though! My same Chem Dawg went from 7 on potency to a 9 with much better taste and character. But I really think with slightly bigger plants I can get better yields, but I know a dude running similar soup as me (i borrowed his formula) and he gets 2gpw most every crop, two suncircles each with 4X600W and over 25 buckets, 4' bush style (vegged 10 days) coco in an ebb and grow, all pura vida organic, sealed with Co2. Pretty sick setup, I designed it.
Wish I had his green thumb though, guy could grow weed at the north pole if he wanted to!
I have to agree with you on the organic taste and quality though! My same Chem Dawg went from 7 on potency to a 9 with much better taste and character. But I really think with slightly bigger plants I can get better yields, but I know a dude running similar soup as me (i borrowed his formula) and he gets 2gpw most every crop, two suncircles each with 4X600W and over 25 buckets, 4' bush style (vegged 10 days) coco in an ebb and grow, all pura vida organic, sealed with Co2. Pretty sick setup, I designed it.
Haha i would like to have that 2gpw fuck christ... he gonna see what i get on my second run at my new house i movein in 3 weeks first run always have kinks... Suck but its part of the game we play... I do alot of plant some become tree if i veg them at ALL... lol found that out the hard way haha...
As for strains man i can grow 20 of the same strains and some times i get FUCKING AWSOME plants like omfg shit... then same strain right next to it might just be good... other people be great but my expectations are high... Where im going with this is roots and strong clones from the begining... Which everyone preaches i know... But its the #1 thing that determines if that plant is gonna produce or just do ok...
You may not want to give up on them strains but you need to have time to dial them in... You may want to look into mom/clones.... another space and more light i know but that way if you did your shit right clones would never be a prob...
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Vegging Clones
Vegging Clones
Hey Lazy man, this is a trick I learned from Micro Gro on how to handle/Vegg clones so they are ready to flower when your previous crop is done.It has worked wonders for me and has saved me a lot of time. Step 1 ) Buy 100 of the same strain in bulk that are rooted from someone in Oakland where all the good clones are. Step 2) Transplant them all into 4 by 4 ph balanced rockwool cubes. Step 3) Buy a metal rack and a T-5 lighting system for $230 at local growstore. Step 4) Put the T5 8 bulb fixture very close to clones and what will happen is you will eventually get 6 nodes that are close together as opposed to far apart. You cannot see it in pic but my T-5 is above the top plants and 2 inches away from canopy.That will make for colas that have bud close together as opposed to far apart. With Co2 and this little vegg trick and the right strain you will be styling! As Micro Gro pointed out to me this is also an excellent way to contain the roots within the rockwool so they do not get damaged.
Vegging Clones
Hey Lazy man, this is a trick I learned from Micro Gro on how to handle/Vegg clones so they are ready to flower when your previous crop is done.It has worked wonders for me and has saved me a lot of time. Step 1 ) Buy 100 of the same strain in bulk that are rooted from someone in Oakland where all the good clones are. Step 2) Transplant them all into 4 by 4 ph balanced rockwool cubes. Step 3) Buy a metal rack and a T-5 lighting system for $230 at local growstore. Step 4) Put the T5 8 bulb fixture very close to clones and what will happen is you will eventually get 6 nodes that are close together as opposed to far apart. You cannot see it in pic but my T-5 is above the top plants and 2 inches away from canopy.That will make for colas that have bud close together as opposed to far apart. With Co2 and this little vegg trick and the right strain you will be styling! As Micro Gro pointed out to me this is also an excellent way to contain the roots within the rockwool so they do not get damaged.
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dongle69
I'm a bit baked right now so forgive me....
What is the trick part of planting clones and placing them under lights?
What is the trick part of planting clones and placing them under lights?
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Well I useto vegg like this picture below and get nodes that were 4 inches apart from each other. But now I vegg in a more simple fashion like the picture above and I get nodes that are much closer together. In the pic below there is a 600 HPS and a 1000 MH but 2 ft above the plants. Dongle love your work by the way. Wish you had a workshop or something, lol
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dongle69
Thanks, got it!
I sure dig my t5's...
I sure dig my t5's...
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I wouldn't feel bad about that harvest. On my most recent harvest we only pulled 1# on 2 3x4 tables (2000w)! Live and learn.
Our main problem with ebb and flow coco was the root rot. It took hold immediately! Plants were in standing water and we didn't realize until we chopped a few runts and pulled the rootballs out - smelled like a porta potty.
So now we're trying top drip 2 gallon buckets with a little more veg time and hydroton in the bottom.
How's the Satori treating you? I got 4 pheno's going into flower in a few days here, very excited about it!
For the record, we had one MH and one HPS last run. No significant yield difference noted between the two tables. MH resin production and flavor were superior, though.
Stay safe,
-XIII
Our main problem with ebb and flow coco was the root rot. It took hold immediately! Plants were in standing water and we didn't realize until we chopped a few runts and pulled the rootballs out - smelled like a porta potty.
So now we're trying top drip 2 gallon buckets with a little more veg time and hydroton in the bottom.
How's the Satori treating you? I got 4 pheno's going into flower in a few days here, very excited about it!
For the record, we had one MH and one HPS last run. No significant yield difference noted between the two tables. MH resin production and flavor were superior, though.
Stay safe,
-XIII
ALright got both tanks dumped and cleaned again, took the bone meal out, too hot. Picked up some AN 2 part grow and more PVO Grow, now each tank is distinct, only common ingredient is Inoculaid, works too good not to use!
Gotta clean my pump filters tomorrow and I'm gonna split the pumps so one does each tray. Also picked up 10 more Mandala #1s and 10 Sharon stones, and 2 Lemon thais. Gonna do these in straight coco and 2 gallon smartpots.
Oh yeah, GH now makes an 8" coco pot cap now, like while my wife was cutting em out of plastic, lol. 7 bucks for ten of em, they fit perfect in the 2 gallon smartpot and you can top water through them, good stuff.
Last harvest is all gone now to my patients, should be ordering my co2 gennie in a week or so (also my drop dead 12/12 flip date.) The Jock Horrors are big and happy, made some pretty potent smoke too last time.
Gotta clean my pump filters tomorrow and I'm gonna split the pumps so one does each tray. Also picked up 10 more Mandala #1s and 10 Sharon stones, and 2 Lemon thais. Gonna do these in straight coco and 2 gallon smartpots.
Oh yeah, GH now makes an 8" coco pot cap now, like while my wife was cutting em out of plastic, lol. 7 bucks for ten of em, they fit perfect in the 2 gallon smartpot and you can top water through them, good stuff.
Last harvest is all gone now to my patients, should be ordering my co2 gennie in a week or so (also my drop dead 12/12 flip date.) The Jock Horrors are big and happy, made some pretty potent smoke too last time.
Hey ocho, thanks for dropping in! Good note on the bulbs, I will be dividing the plants up tomorrow so I have good mixes in salts/organics and MH/HPS.
Good point on the root rot, what medium was that in? I am already using some peroxide in my salt tank, one of the benefits of salt nutes for sure. Gonna just handwater plants for the first 2-3 weeks from now on, they do much better this way.
Oh, and the pot covers do a MUCH better job of keeping moisture in the medium, a day later the tops are still moist, whereas they dried within an hour before.
No fungus gnats yet either, still using dunks in both tanks. I did find some dead larvae crawled on top of my two Myst of Destruction pot lids though, the white plastic kind.
So yeah, now I'm doing the following tests:
Coco chips with plastic or coco pot lids
Coco peat with plastic and coco pot lids
Coco Chips/Smartpots vs Botanicare coco peat/6" 1 gallon grow bags vs coco peat in 2 gallon smartpots
MH vs HPS
Advanced nutrients vs Pura Vida organics
With a total of 7 strains, well 5 if you don't count the 2 lemon thais and 2 MOD's, those are MINE!!!
Should be fun, I'll post what data I get at the end, each table will have notes and plants will be numbered so I can keep track of what goes where.
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Haha thanks for the quick reply.
I think you'll be pleased with the MH and HPS comparison. MH seems to go a little bit easier on the plants. Don't get me wrong, I use HPS for production but my personal is from a MH!
The plants were potted in 2 different brands depending on what the grow store had in stock at the time of up-potting. Either GH Cocogro green blocks (compressed coco) or B'cuzz coco. I didn't notice a difference between plants in the two brands, but I like the out of the bag convenience of B'cuzz, so we're using it exclusively this round.
Yeah the dry tops were a problem we had too! Eventually I just let it go. Didn't seem to hurt them.
We couldn't source the mosquito dunks but we used Azamax. Works wonders for spider mites and fungus gnats, plus it's all organic!
I'm excited to see the results of your tests, they will save everyone some time and money!
-XIII
I think you'll be pleased with the MH and HPS comparison. MH seems to go a little bit easier on the plants. Don't get me wrong, I use HPS for production but my personal is from a MH!
The plants were potted in 2 different brands depending on what the grow store had in stock at the time of up-potting. Either GH Cocogro green blocks (compressed coco) or B'cuzz coco. I didn't notice a difference between plants in the two brands, but I like the out of the bag convenience of B'cuzz, so we're using it exclusively this round.
Yeah the dry tops were a problem we had too! Eventually I just let it go. Didn't seem to hurt them.
We couldn't source the mosquito dunks but we used Azamax. Works wonders for spider mites and fungus gnats, plus it's all organic!
I'm excited to see the results of your tests, they will save everyone some time and money!
-XIII
Correct, typical Sea of Green (SOG) technique.
I used both Cal Mag (Sensi Cal flower, now discontinued) and OG Rx Cal Mag (2 part) but got better results with epsom salts.
Haha thanks for the quick reply.
I think you'll be pleased with the MH and HPS comparison. MH seems to go a little bit easier on the plants. Don't get me wrong, I use HPS for production but my personal is from a MH!
The plants were potted in 2 different brands depending on what the grow store had in stock at the time of up-potting. Either GH Cocogro green blocks (compressed coco) or B'cuzz coco. I didn't notice a difference between plants in the two brands, but I like the out of the bag convenience of B'cuzz, so we're using it exclusively this round.
Yeah the dry tops were a problem we had too! Eventually I just let it go. Didn't seem to hurt them.
We couldn't source the mosquito dunks but we used Azamax. Works wonders for spider mites and fungus gnats, plus it's all organic!
I'm excited to see the results of your tests, they will save everyone some time and money!
-XIII
Right on man, thanks again for the tips! Yep I'm always striving to make things better, more automated, happier plants, edging ever close to 1GPW! lol
Been a really busy few days, let's see:
Picked up ten Sharon Stones, ten Mandala #1's and 2 Lemon Thai (indica pheno.)
Potted the above in plain old Botanicare Cocogro and used the new 8" coco pot covers (work perfectly with the 2 gallon smartpots)
Moved all the "regular coco" (vs chips) into their own tray
Replaced a chunk of my garden hose feed line that a gopher got to TWICe. now it's wrapped in 8 layers of tinfoil, hope that works. If not it's a steel pipe next.
Foliar fed all the girls, Dutch Master Penetrator and GOld grow, with some fluromite SC and inoculaid thrown in for fun
picked up another gallon of Pura Vida grow, takes almost a gallon per res change! Crazy.
Replaced one burnt out air conditioner, fortunately I had a spare
Replaced all my water pump fittings (had no barbs!) and cleaned all 8 of the filters, plus the two circulation pumps.
Picked and cleaned all my smartp ots from previous run, just tossed em in the washer (about 30 at a time) with a few cups of vinegar and some detergent, came out beautiful.
Calibrated my meters
Mopped the floor (someti me I think my building doesn't have a roof it gets so dirty) I found some stuff called Garlic guard, organic pesticide I can mop with so I'm gonna order some.
and took some new pics:
2 Jock Horrors in the white bags, and ten Sharon Stones on the right. Ten Mandalas on the left side of tray, all with regular coco and coco caps.
The two trays of TW behind them...
Jock Horros up front, two trays of sad little purple ak's behind them. Doing better though.
