My first attempt at breeding...need a little bit of advice.

[cannariffic]

Ok 2 questions!!

Question 1:
I want to make some seeds from my "Non-Feminized Autoflowering AK 47 x Diesel". Will the seed produced be viable? With all the same traits as the parents?

Question 2:
I also have "Feminized Autoflowering Afgan Kush".....Is it possible to use the male pollen from the "Non-Feminized Autoflowering AK 47 X Diesel" fertilize the "Feminized Autoflowering Afghan Kush" and produce viable seeds?

Anything I should know before I do this?

 

[saltwatergold]

yes, non fem means a male. an fem means a female. so you use a male an female you'll make seeds! welcome to the circle of life.

 

[guest]

Canna.............you must be in my head man cause I was just wondering the same thing. The seeds will be viable if you use one of the few methods of making feminized seeds. Search the forums you will find them. The part I am wondering about is will these seeds have the same exact traits as the mother they were produced from (like clones) or will they show some variations like normal seeds would? And are these seeds considered F2's or F1's please explain.

 

[cannariffic]

yes, non fem means a male. an fem means a female. so you use a male an female you'll make seeds! welcome to the circle of life.

Wow. Jerk. The phrase comes to mind... "its not what you say, its how you say it."

A simple, "Yes, I have see no problems with that, you are good to go." would have sufficed.


Sorry to ask such a rudimentary question, but everywhere I've read, I seen people running into problems with making certain crosses. You know it might sound stupid but, producing stable breeding plants with limited hermithadites is pretty important to me.

Fuck it, so sorry to ask a stupid question.

 

[cannariffic]

Canna.............you must be in my head man cause I was just wondering the same thing. The seeds will be viable if you use one of the few methods of making feminized seeds. Search the forums you will find them. The part I am wondering about is will these seeds have the same exact traits as the mother they were produced from (like clones) or will they show some variations like normal seeds would? And are these seeds considered F2's or F1's please explain.

Not sure, but I willing to bet they are F1's. So says, they produce consistent phenos. I just wanted to see if it was a legitimate cross to breed a Feminized seed with a Non-Feminized seed and not produce any hermithadites. I thought I might run into trouble if it I did that.

I really just want to have those genetics forever. So I never really have to re-order that particular strain.

 

[love?]

I want to make some seeds from my "Non-Feminized Autoflowering AK 47 x Diesel". Will the seed produced be viable?

If you give the seed enough time to mature, sure they will be viable (will sprout). Is this what you meant?

With all the same traits as the parents?

Well no, more probably something in between the two.

I also have "Feminized Autoflowering Afgan Kush".....Is it possible to use the male pollen from the "Non-Feminized Autoflowering AK 47 X Diesel" fertilize the "Feminized Autoflowering Afghan Kush" and produce viable seeds?

Yes.

Anything I should know before I do this?

That's four questions not two! Anyway, one thing you should keep in mind is that autoflowering is a recessive trait and therefore a cross between an autoflowering strain and a non-autoflowering strain will not produce any autoflowering plants in the first generation.

By the way, I'm reading Greg Green's The Cannabis Breeder's Bible right now and even though I'm not even half way yet the book is something I can already recommend if you are interested in learning about breeding. Things are explained in layman's terms and in a simple way (but well) and on top of that the book was pretty cheap.

 

[lordbudly]

yes, non fem means a male. an fem means a female. so you use a male an female you'll make seeds! welcome to the circle of life.

well dumb ass ( i would call you a smart ass, but you are far from that!) non fem actually means male and female stock, fem means all female stock from seed, if you dont realize this maybe you should take a biology class? non feminized plants contain both x and y chromosomes, feminized seeds carry only the x chromosome, several ways of making feminized seed stock, including coidal silver, among other chemicals, since these are autoflowers, light poisoning is NOT an option,

to the OP
if the feminized stock didnt hermy the cross shouldnt either, unless you burn them heavy nutewise/heat stress, but with an even less chance then the feminized stock so your good there...

 

[JITAMON]

I want to make some seeds from my "Non-Feminized Autoflowering AK 47 x Diesel". Will the seed produced be viable? With all the same traits as the parents?

If you take care of the seeded plant and sucessfully harvest seed, then YES the seed will be viable. Autoflowers cannot/ almost impossible to clone,but are fine from seed.
NO they will not be exact replicas of the parents. There will be variables. Similar,YES

 

[saltwatergold]

hahaaha you guys are hilarious.

 

[cannariffic]

If you give the seed enough time to mature, sure they will be viable (will sprout). Is this what you meant?

Well no, more probably something in between the two.

yes, i understand that. I was inferring that a specific pheno that I was hunting for. i understand it hit and miss because certain traits are recessive.

Yes.

That's four questions not two! Anyway, one thing you should keep in mind is that autoflowering is a recessive trait and therefore a cross between an autoflowering strain and a non-autoflowering strain will not produce any autoflowering plants in the first generation.

I know about that, I heard you have to breed them all the way to the 7th generation to show constant.

By the way, I'm reading Greg Green's The Cannabis Breeder's Bible right now and even though I'm not even half way yet the book is something I can already recommend if you are interested in learning about breeding. Things are explained in layman's terms and in a simple way (but well) and on top of that the book was pretty cheap.

wow, i didnt know there was a whole book devoted for it. i really need to check that out.

If you take care of the seeded plant and sucessfully harvest seed, then YES the seed will be viable. Autoflowers cannot/ almost impossible to clone,but are fine from seed.
NO they will not be exact replicas of the parents. There will be variables. Similar,YES

Great to know. Should I let the plant die to get viable seed? Or should I harvest a little later? How long does it take to make viable seed.

 

[Raco]

hermithadites...

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26677

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

"I want to make some seeds from my "Non-Feminized Autoflowering AK 47 x Diesel". Will the seed produced be viable? With all the same traits as the parents?"

If you inbreed brothers and sisters of your NFAAK47 x D you'll get NFAAK47xDF2. Not sure what you mean by viable. If you're suggesting that inbreeding will produce seeds that won't germinate, don't worry it won't. They'll be fine.

"All the same traits" is a pretty broad statement from a breeding point of view. If you mean lots of plants exactly like the mother, then selfed seeds are the way to go.

Sure you can use the male pollin from the other strain to cross. Using real males to pollinate helps prevent hermaphrodites from showing in the F1 and future generations of the cross.

 

[cannariffic]

hermithadites...

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26677

yeah, I already read that thread. Its vague and general. I get it. Sorry for my incorrect spelling..

"I want to make some seeds from my "Non-Feminized Autoflowering AK 47 x Diesel". Will the seed produced be viable? With all the same traits as the parents?"

If you inbreed brothers and sisters of your NFAAK47 x D you'll get NFAAK47xDF2. Not sure what you mean by viable. If you're suggesting that inbreeding will produce seeds that won't germinate, don't worry it won't. They'll be fine.


Oh ok, I just dont want to waste alot of time and bud.

"All the same traits" is a pretty broad statement from a breeding point of view. If you mean lots of plants exactly like the mother, then selfed seeds are the way to go.


yeah, sorry it was pretty general. I should have asked if the AUTO PHENOTYPE will continue into the next generation....I am happy to know that it will now..... anything I should shoot for phenotypically speaking? or is it just shoot for something that will best benefit my particular growing style? such as height, smell. ect ect? What would you shoot for?

Sure you can use the male pollin from the other strain to cross. Using real males to pollinate helps prevent hermaphrodites from showing in the F1 and future generations of the cross.

the reason why I asked this, because I thought I read somewhere (or maybe I am mixing up information) that fertilizing Feminized plants could produce junk seeds. I wasnt sure and thats why I asked this question.

 

[cannariffic]

see. I knew i wasnt crazy. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=130152 this is a whole thread devoted to it. well, from what i read, it is OK, but you just have to be selective. As with everything, selection is key.

 

[JITAMON]

seed harvest

seed harvest

Great to know. Should I let the plant die to get viable seed? Or should I harvest a little later? How long does it take to make viable seed.

when the seeds are splitting their bracts and they look mature they are ready to harvest. It has been said 6 wks for seeds from time of pollination, but I am not positive. Hopefully someone with more knowledgeable will chime in .