What Are The Best Nutes?

[dongle69]

People always say how expensive AN is, i don't see how unless your grow store is ripping you off.

Advanced tells people they need way more.
Have a peek at their nutrient calculator that will put everything in a shopping cart for you.
http://www.advancednutrients.com/nutcalc3public/
I used their "popular" sensi 2 part program for example.
I selected a 100 gallon res at medium feed strength.
It told me I needed 16 products for only $1,973.52.
That was for one of my reservoirs for one 8 week bloom cycle.
Sure, you could buy only AN's grow bloom micro (gasp, none of their customers would actually do that, would they?)
But why buy a knock off copy of a product that General Hydroponics developed decades ago?

VagPuncher said it best in the Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur thread:

Used it. It's good, but not worth the price at all.

Oh snap!

 

[jimi gr0wtriX]

for me actually the Hesi programm is sensationally good , i mean i have the soil line , that includes : tnt booster , super vit , root complex , bloom complex , and phosphor plus , i forgot the encymes , together i use the starter box for soil since half an year and i can say that my plants never looking so good , vital , and healthy before .


no , i m not a employee of hesi

 

[medicine_man_bc]

i buy 6 gallon drums of AN, and provide quarts to my medical clients at half what they would pay at the hydro store. this way sick people with shallow pockets get AN for wholesale prices while paying for my own medicine to be grown for free. this is how people help one another in my medical marijuana community, take heed to a non-profit yet self sufficient business model. money isn't our enemy, it can work for all of us. . remember, we are all just the limits of our imaginations tons of growers from across canada have seen my grows, they all use different nutes, they all say that they never smelled a sweeter, richer resin smell then in my rooms. thats all the market analysis a needed. never looked back

 

[Maj.PotHead]

{this way sick people with shallow pockets get AN for wholesale prices while paying for my own medicine to be grown for free}

i just wont even comment but your words say it all

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Advanced tells people they need way more.
Have a peek at their nutrient calculator that will put everything in a shopping cart for you.
http://www.advancednutrients.com/nutcalc3public/
I used their "popular" sensi 2 part program for example.
I selected a 100 gallon res at medium feed strength.
It told me I needed 16 products for only $1,973.52.
That was for one of my reservoirs for one 8 week bloom cycle.
Sure, you could buy only AN's grow bloom micro (gasp, none of their customers would actually do that, would they?)
But why buy a knock off copy of a product that General Hydroponics developed decades ago?

VagPuncher said it best in the Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur thread:

Oh snap!

thx for the back up and this is what i mean by good ferts if you have deep pockets

 

[yortbogey]

I've used every kind of nutrients for multiple grows and AN products are no better than any of the others.

Did I see a braggart in this thread somewhere?

so ...JJ that being said and understood.....what has A old Pro....such as U'rself setteled on for a nute lineUP.........afterusing them ALL......where doez one end UP.........just curious.......
PLZ.....do telllll

 

[Maj.PotHead]

what are the best nutes
you'll get 100 differant answers there is no difinitive best fert real question is how much money do you wish to spend.
do you want organic
organic based
chem

this topic has been discussed many times here and many other websites 1 thing you'll find is ppl are very zelous about the ferts they use. hence why you'll get many differant answers


newbs read in the growers diaries and or the section of the forum for which method you desire to grow, [ie] soil hydro organic soil organic hydro coco. read what the sucessful growers use and go from there.

this thread has become again off track again and filling up with scarcasism so i suggest it be binned and the above statement made a sticky. and placed in the main growers forum section. every time i've seen this subject brought up it allways ends in pissn matchs this is better no this is. tis not what it should be about but it allways ends up this way

it is a very valid question 1 i even had once apon a time my choice in ferts was made by reading in the growers diaries and or the section of the forum for which method i desired to grow, [ie] soil hydro organic soil organic hydro coco. i looked at what made a sucessful grower sucessful and went from there and tweaked it to my gardens needs.

 

[medicine_man_bc]

so what everyone is trying to say is that a ferrari aint worth the money, and that a honda is equal in performance to a ferrari, sorry folks, with all due respect to everyones opinions, that definitly is a world i dont exist in. ferraries are built for speed and perfomance, hondas are built to just get you to the finish line. the finish line is always passed iether way, id rather get there faster and stronger, if you guys catch my drift, but that has always been my bent of character. i know there is high performance hondas even, but none compare to a ferrari. has anyone heard of "green planet wholesale" in the u.s.? it is basically advanced nutrients for 1/2 the price and made in the bud capital as well. it aint AN, but still very effective.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

so what everyone is trying to say is that a ferrari aint worth the money

No, not if all you're restricted by genetics to 75mph and only have a 1 mile drive, ever...... The price and extra performance doesn't help at that speed during the the 2 minute drive to the market.

Now, if you're unrestricted.... that's another story.



We're talking about a plant. It has genetic limits that a 'ferrari' nute can bring out to the fullest but that's it. There are no magic nutes that make a plant do more than it's capable of under optimum conditions.

The question comes down to.... How optimum of an environment do I already have? Without that as a 'given' you're just throwing money around. How much extra weight am I going to get by using a high performance nute. Will it increase resin production 'significantly'? What about potency. In most cases, with most grows, GH nutes are waaaay more than sufficient to get the most out of the setup. Then again, most people don't have an optimum grow environment anyway.


Use cheap nutes the same way until you have your setup dialed in. and as 'perfect' an environment as you can possibly get. Spend that extra cash on the equipment you need so you're not spending time trying to get out of your own way. Get your style and setup rocking..... THEN go looking for those pricey nutes.... see for yourself what a difference they make. IF the difference is worth it (in your opinion) then F'n go for it.

Personally, it looks like it will be a few years before I'll be branching out from GH and their FloraNova line. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination and figure I'll only be a newb for the next 4-5 years if I keep learning fast.

Stay Safe

 

[medicine_man_bc]

thank you h-s, the plants are only as good as their dna, and rooms and nutes are only as good as the growers who use them some people on this post though beleive because they live in cali that that is what makes a good grower. TAKE HEED TO H-S, ANON-TROLL MATURE POSTER WITH THE BEST ANSWER SO FAR

 

[Pompey_Monkey]

No, not if all you're restricted by genetics to 75mph and only have a 1 mile drive, ever...... The price and extra performance doesn't help at that speed during the the 2 minute drive to the market.

Now, if you're unrestricted.... that's another story.



We're talking about a plant. It has genetic limits that a 'ferrari' nute can bring out to the fullest but that's it. There are no magic nutes that make a plant do more than it's capable of under optimum conditions.

The question comes down to.... How optimum of an environment do I already have? Without that as a 'given' you're just throwing money around. How much extra weight am I going to get by using a high performance nute. Will it increase resin production 'significantly'? What about potency. In most cases, with most grows, GH nutes are waaaay more than sufficient to get the most out of the setup. Then again, most people don't have an optimum grow environment anyway.


Use cheap nutes the same way until you have your setup dialed in. and as 'perfect' an environment as you can possibly get. Spend that extra cash on the equipment you need so you're not spending time trying to get out of your own way. Get your style and setup rocking..... THEN go looking for those pricey nutes.... see for yourself what a difference they make. IF the difference is worth it (in your opinion) then F'n go for it.

Personally, it looks like it will be a few years before I'll be branching out from GH and their FloraNova line. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination and figure I'll only be a newb for the next 4-5 years if I keep learning fast.

Stay Safe

I agree. Get the basics (light, ventilation, watering, temperatures) right first. Then spend money on expensive nutes if you think they're worth it.

Personally, I use off the shelf ferts like miracle grow and tomatorite as anything else is a waste of money in a set-up like mine!

 

[Endur]

mmmm,GP

mmmm,GP

so what everyone is trying to say is that a ferrari aint worth the money, and that a honda is equal in performance to a ferrari, sorry folks, with all due respect to everyones opinions, that definitly is a world i dont exist in. ferraries are built for speed and perfomance, hondas are built to just get you to the finish line. the finish line is always passed iether way, id rather get there faster and stronger, if you guys catch my drift, but that has always been my bent of character. i know there is high performance hondas even, but none compare to a ferrari. has anyone heard of "green planet wholesale" in the u.s.? it is basically advanced nutrients for 1/2 the price and made in the bud capital as well. it aint AN, but still very effective.

I have heard of Green Planet.....i'm using a few of there products outdoors this year....i gotta say they are top shelf products. Very reasonably priced also.

 

[xlatit]

Inevitably everyone will start arguing again about AN.

 

[medicine_man_bc]

are you in the u.s. endur? alot of products arent allowed across the border either way north or south respctively. from what ive seen in tons of grows, i no particular order, the green planet wholesale line, advanced nutrients and gh/pureblend recipes. i know supernaturals addatives are a huge fave by all growers here, and alot of local hippies make and sell locally secret recipres. the question to this post should have been"what nutes does everyone use". "best "gets way too subjected i admitt.

 

[Dakuta]

Canna.
Terra.

 

[ureapwhatusow]

are you in the u.s. endur? alot of products arent allowed across the border either way north or south respctively. from what ive seen in tons of grows, i no particular order, the green planet wholesale line, advanced nutrients and gh/pureblend recipes. i know supernaturals addatives are a huge fave by all growers here, and alot of local hippies make and sell locally secret recipres. the question to this post should have been"what nutes does everyone use". "best "gets way too subjected i admitt.

I gotta a beef here

not with you but with the general perception that a subculture of people who have recreated the wheel to avoid detection due to illegality know more than the body of practicing farmers, horticulturist and botanist that use basic compounds to manipulate plant life

you dont need a greed thumb to apply simply logic here

If AN or any canna nute was ALLLL that same company would have every agricultural producer beating down their door so they could get the same benefit for the legal crops the grow for money

i dont think most of them are engineering their products, running em on cannabis on the down low and then tweaking em for our benefit

the biggest problem this community has is related to simple plant science, because that whats being applied by these nutrient companies, general plant science

the single most important factor in growing cannabis is the genetics

hence my user ID

 

[Cruzin]

Yes the arguement over An will start. They have some decent products but all that crap they sell is way overdone. You should never ever need 16 different nute solutions for one garden. If you follow their feed you will herm out and burn your plants.

I used AN for 5 years and recently switched to House and Garden. House and garden full first round has not concluded yet, but my plants have never looked happier.

Ultimately it comes down to what your budget can afford. FF nutes are cheap, not to say the effect is cheap. However you do get what you pay for.

 

[hi-bardo!]

3 B's

3 B's

I have done one grow with the Technaflora Recipe For Success pack with good results and am now doing a run with FoxFarm Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom with some superthrive added in too.

My question is what nutes do you use? Supplements? Liquid? Dry? Sweeteners? What do you think is the best way to go?

Bat GUANO
BLACKSTRAP
BENIFICIALS:

 

[medicine_man_bc]

I gotta a beef here

not with you but with the general perception that a subculture of people who have recreated the wheel to avoid detection due to illegality know more than the body of practicing farmers, horticulturist and botanist that use basic compounds to manipulate plant life

you dont need a greed thumb to apply simply logic here

If AN or any canna nute was ALLLL that same company would have every agricultural producer beating down their door so they could get the same benefit for the legal crops the grow for money

i dont think most of them are engineering their products, running em on cannabis on the down low and then tweaking em for our benefit

the biggest problem this community has is related to simple plant science, because that whats being applied by these nutrient companies, general plant science

the single most important factor in growing cannabis is the genetics

hence my user ID

this is just a question dude, k? no beef? actaully, i have a couple k

1-how many farmers do you know that grow resin producing annuals?
2-do you have fotos of your hermies and got your money back from an?
3-5 years is a long time to use a product that fuck up your shit, right?

advanced nutrients has hundreds of projects in the bud capital testing on cannabis(chech out urban grower.com). this is a fraction of their research field too. if you compared hemp to corn, id agree. this is medecine to everyone, and should be, imo, treated as such, peace. i know canna has a great cannabis testing field as well, and greenplanet does tons of cannabis research too. i cant speak for any others though, does anyone else know about nutes tested cannabis specific?????? aside from us using all products we use???

 

[Maj.PotHead]

lol bud capital duder BC isnt, theres ADam 1st then Northern Cali 2nd then BC maybe 3rd
now your soooooo pro AN i seen in another thread you sayn you dont use all thier products only use half. so which half dose a comerical grower like yourself use after all thats what you are a comerical grower
in this thread i never said AN isnt worth a chit i said there great if you have deep pockets
the results i get in organic soil, organic ferts except the bloom burst i use few times in flower. are very respectable for 1 gal grow bags i've had more then 1 forearm sized cola under the duel 400w lights. matter of fact heres 1 almost that size


thats Chem4 topped once
and another
heres Bio Desiel - sour desiel x deep chunk

theres several more in my gallery