quik alaska land question?

[NOKUY]

ok this is just a bit of an offshoot Q from that tax thread i had.

sum peeps got me scared a bit on dealing w/ my taxes.


well..im gonna deal w/ them, but for these cpl deals im lookin at...it may not matter right now...right????

i can pay some of these off right now.....but i dont wanna raise a red flag if i get into this...

this 1 in particular:

http://www.landinalaska.com/M148/M148.htm

basicly im wonderin if just buying some property is less a flag than owning a home/mortgage.....i just dont wanna be fuked with.

 

[CANNACO-OP]

you got the cash to buy it, just go buy it then, start a corporation or land holding company or something? if ya worried about it personal owned? i dnk, there is many ways to go about it depending on facts and what ya trying to ultimately accomplish. you know anything about trusts?

 

[NOKUY]

i got the cash easy...only thing i wanna do is build a cabin and a greenhouse and live.

i just dont wanna get involved w/ the irs w/ mortgages and shit.

 

[Trying-to-blend]

are you worrying because you havne't reported income?

If so, get someone you trust to buy it, then do a deed transfer. You'll probly end up paying a bit more, but less than lawyer fees and penalties for not filing returns.

 

[geopolitical]

That's Alaska man, I haven't lived there in years, but last time I checked it was still full of oil workers and crazy people with too much money. Nobody is likely to blink if you offer to buy out a property like that with a cashiers check/transfer/etc. In fact, assuming nothing has changed there are a few places up there that seem to do business using postal money orders still for basic bills/transfers. No real banking in the smaller towns/villages.

Just make sure the money looks vaguely legit.

 

[ocean99]

If you want to do it really legit and not have your name on anything you can always start a New Mexico LLC (Limited Licensing Company). NM is the only state in the union that requires only one piece of information to start an LLC and that's an address. Find someone who's down in NM or buy a piece of shit .1 acre property and put a mailbox on it, start that LLC and whatever land you buy in it's name is attached to nothing.

 

[0p0rat0r]

This is off topic but don't you hate restrictions like no trailers on the property. That's such bullshit. You buy a piece of land you supposedly own it but you are told what you can and can't do with it. No trailers except for during the building process? Minimum size for a building is 300 square feet? Why?

I'm looking to buy a piece of land and setup my own little low cost get away spot but I'm finding the zoning bylaws and the legalities of putting up a building are very limiting and seem to be designed to keep the little guy from being able to provide cheap living accommodations for himself.

Are you going to be putting in a septic system and drilling a well for your cabin? From what I've read this seems to be a requirement if doing things legally and it's prohibitively expensive. There's no provision in the building process for simple low cost technologies like rain water catchment and composting toilets. Everything has to be done the most expensive way possible.

It's almost like the laws are in place to prevent another back to the land movement like the 60's and 70's by putting up legal and economic road blocks every step of the way. Sorry the mini rant. Don't mean to hijack your thread.

 

[NOKUY]

This is off topic but don't you hate restrictions like no trailers on the property. That's such bullshit. You buy a piece of land you supposedly own it but you are told what you can and can't do with it. No trailers except for during the building process? Minimum size for a building is 300 square feet? Why?

I'm looking to buy a piece of land and setup my own little low cost get away spot but I'm finding the zoning bylaws and the legalities of putting up a building are very limiting and seem to be designed to keep the little guy from being able to provide cheap living accommodations for himself.

Are you going to be putting in a septic system and drilling a well for your cabin? From what I've read this seems to be a requirement if doing things legally and it's prohibitively expensive.

There's no provision in the building process for simple low cost technologies

like rain water catchment and composting toilets. Everything has to be done the most expensive way possible.

well...thats not the "exact spot", but really close, and almost identical price.

i do hate covenants, but what it's come down to is that for now i need to have electric to the property for my grows, and all reasonable property w/ electric is sim. to this.

ill be able to deal w/ it for now....making money while always trying to get farther out.

 

[subrob]

i remember when land was 100 bucks an acre in talkeetna! my pops bought for 1$ buck an acre off the tanana in the early 80s. the good ole days.....

 

[Stoner4Life]

You'd better get yourself a full description of all covenants & restrictions bro this land developer is a bit whacky.......
YES; READ THE CC&R'S (RESIDENTIAL OR RECREATIONAL USES ONLY; 300 SF BLDG SIZE MIN; 18 MONTH CONSTRUCTION PERIOD; MOBILE HOMES & TRAILERS ALLOWED DURING CONSTRUCTION PERIOD ONLY; NO ANIMALS SHALL BE KEPT, BRED OR MAINTAINED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES; MAX OF 3 DOGS PER LOT; NO INOPERABLE VEHICLES).
so let's say you feel like breeding your Komondor, no can do! have a litter anyway? then you'd better own more than one lot because the 3 dogs per lot restriction pushes that limit too. The full CC&R will detail a lot more of what you can/cannot do, read them first. That developer wants to create a quiet suburban setting; out in the country?

personally I wouldn't move 2000 plus miles to have someone tell me what I can and cannot do with my dogs, there must be a freer Alaska that everyone talks about cause that ain't it.

I just bought another lot next to my commercial property bro, come on out to MN & I promise not to tell ya what to do, I have hundreds of acres of state & federal land bordering me here too, a river runs right by my place and dozens of lakes within a few miles, hundreds of lakes within 10-15 mile radius of my crib.

If the medicinal cannabis laws change here I'll actually finally decide to stay, until then I've got nomadic blood running through my veins, like you bro.......

 

[Stoner4Life]

Take a vacation up there and talk to the locals in town, find out
who's got 5+ acres for sale w/o any covenants and restrictions.

EDIT: If this is just about hiding money then buy wisely (you can't afford
to lose) and send in payments of less than 10K by check or money order.
But be warned others will not like those covenants either in a 'free land'.

 

[NOKUY]

i have a a good friend that is a half hour away and he is looking close for me at a few spots ive given him, and i'm flying up for a cpl weeks late october to nail it down.

i had way more options until i gave in on the electricity part

Take a vacation up there and talk to the locals in town, find out
who's got 5+ acres for sale w/o any covenants and restrictions.

EDIT: If this is just about hiding money then buy wisely (you can't afford
to lose) and send in payments of less than 10K by check or money order.
But be warned others will not like those covenants either in a 'free land'.

 

[0p0rat0r]

Did you try looking into woodgas or methane for a free or low cost fuel to run a generator? Both are low tech low cost solutions capable of fueling generator off grid.

If you want to hook up to the grid for power then you'll probably have to construct your cabin legally (expensively) because from what I've read they require a building permit and I believe a septic system as well before they'll hook you up.

 

[Stoner4Life]

i have a a good friend that is a half hour away and he is looking close for me at a few spots ive given him, and i'm flying up for a cpl weeks late october to nail it down.

i had way more options until i gave in on the electricity part

cool, make sure your friend's aware of 'land locked parcel' laws, meaning if you buy only 2 acres in the middle of nowhere you might find yourself without legal access in and out of it if it doesn't border any roadways (land locked). But there may be an Alaskan statute provided (as in MN) that enables any land owner of 5 acres or more to have legal access to that land even if it means crossing other properties, of course a mandated path would be described and used and become a deeded easement to that parcel. Small oddball parcels may be out there cheap for that reason alone, buyer beware.......

 

[NOKUY]

the whole covenants part is strarting to iritate me again like it always has.

i cant really be tied down and told what i can and cant do...that electric might just have to go....plus ill have a ton more options.

im gonna crunch some numbers and see what it'll take to run my 600 off a battery bank charged by a genny and some sun and wind.

...if anyone already knows what it'll take ...holler.

...plus i cant be havin ppl tellin me how to build my cabin (..er unibomber shack)...and how to maintain my yard/forest.

 

[0p0rat0r]

There's a user on here DrBudGreenGenes that's living way off grid and using generator for power using woodgas. I remember reading in one of his posts he grows with cfls because the hid lights won't run off inverters (batteries). I'm not sure if that's true or not but it's worth looking into.

To run 600 watts from batteries at 12 volts is a 50 amp constant load. Generally they say not to discharge batteries faster than over a period of 20 hours. So 50 amps for 20 hours = 1000 amp hours worth of battery. So 1000 amp hour capacity battery will run a 50 amp load for 20 hours, but you don't want to discharge below 50% to maintain battery life so you're looking at about a 10 hour run time of 50 amps at 12 volts for 600 watts. If you went up to a 1500 amp hour battery bank you could run the same load for 15 hours etc.

Now in terms of what you'll need to charge the batteries if you get a 1000 watt solar panel or wind mill that puts out about 15 volts give you about 66 amps at it's peak, but depending on the weather most of the time it won't be running at it's peak because the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing. Let's say you only get about 40% of the peak rating on average about 26 amps and even that may be optimistic. So if your battery capacity was 1000 amp hours and your average charge rate was 26 amps it'll take 38.5 hours to charge the battery bank from empty to full, or about 19 hours to charge it up 50%.

Another thing to keep in mind when relying on batteries for power storage is that they eventually deteriorate and will need to be replaced every few years and this is a big draw back to solar and wind.

I think that's about right anyway. Solar gets expensive fast but it's silent and should last a long time. Personally for myself I'm thinking more about methane, woodgas and vegetable oil fueled generators. Far less expensive to get setup and you have as much power as you want.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Bro, study up on the REA (rural electrification of america) program, I'm not sure if it holds true in Alaska but here in the lower 48 if you own land along ANY township maintained road the power company has to run service to your dwelling @ an affordable ($85.00 in 1990) charge, low cost if your crib is close to the road, higher costs associated by asking the power co to go deep into your land with service. of course monthly service rates are set charges for your area once your property is hooked up to the grid.......