CO Caregiver questions

[Feijao]

I had some questions about Colorado's caregiver program after reading quite a bit about it tonight.

• Is there a difference between the caregivers within a Co-Op and people running the Dispensaries?
• I see that some of these places have several hundred patients and was wondering if the caregivers are allowed to purchase medicine from other vendors in order to have enough for their patients?

Also it seems like there are a lot of complaints about the operations in CO. If you were to change them up for the better or have any suggestions what would they be.

 

[Trend]

All lingo in my eyes. Some people don't have enough patients to cover thier numbers so they combine a few caregives together to meet guidlines under one business name.

 

[RockyMntFarmer]

I had some questions about Colorado's caregiver program after reading quite a bit about it tonight.

• Is there a difference between the caregivers within a Co-Op and people running the Dispensaries?
• I see that some of these places have several hundred patients and was wondering if the caregivers are allowed to purchase medicine from other vendors in order to have enough for their patients?

Also it seems like there are a lot of complaints about the operations in CO. If you were to change them up for the better or have any suggestions what would they be.

From what i understand after talking to quite a few dispensaries is that the ones who do purchase from caregivers generally give a lower price anywhere from 3500-4200lb. The only true difference is that the people running the dispensary are making more profit which comes from their retail sales.

While we can't just purchase from a "vendor" any MMJ patient in colorado can legally sell their overage to another legal MMJ patient from what i understand.

In terms of getting quality medicine from a dispensary for your patients i would have to say good luck as they generally all seem to be strapped for quality medicine.(they always seem to have cali outdoor!) If they do have enough meds then you will definitely be paying a premium. I have seen ounces go for upwards of 340-400 at many dispensaries for the simple reason that the dispensary doesn't want your competition on the retail level.

My only comment on how to change the colorado scene would be that someone needs to open a dispensary that doesn't.....suck. I have been to about 15 now and paying 60$/eighth for average quality meds is BS! I particulary have a grudge against all dispensaries in denver i went to 6 in one day spent 200$ on edibles and ate 50$ worth in one sitting only to be completely dissapointed.

well hope that helps!

 

[Feijao]

Thanks Rocky!

I keep reading that dispensaries keep high prices so not to encourage patients buying the product at a lower price in the store than selling it at the going street rate later on. This makes sense but that is not the responsibility of the dispensary. That burden falls on the patient and I think its a bullshit excuse for keeping prices high. Not all members of the co-op should have to pay high prices just because the actions of a few might seem unethical.

"While we can't just purchase from a "vendor" any MMJ patient in colorado can legally sell their overage to another legal MMJ patient from what i understand."

So does it work like this? You are the caregiver for 10 people and with that comes the ability to grow X number of plants. If after growing X amounts of plants you are left with X amount of ounces over your limit you can sale that amount to another caregiver?

 

[Trend]

Technically you should never be over your limit. Ever. It's good to get more patients/numbers then you will ever need for that very reason.

 

[skifooot]

I have heard a lot of people say you can grow and have a caregiver but that isn't what the guy at thcfoundation told me.

 

[homebrew420]

If you have given primary caregiver status to someone, as a patient YOU are not allowed to grow. Which begs the question of, how is it ok for a patient who has signed over their caregivers rights to a dispensary, to buy clones from said dispensary? There is still a whole lot of grey area. Fort Collins Loveland and Windsor all have some good shops. . . They have some bad ones too though.. The numbers game is really just a technicality. Because if you were never to have extra that would mean that you have always got just the right amount. Can't imagine how that would be possible. Think of it in terms of a pharacy, they don't just have the exact amount of meds for everybody that walks in with a script. They need to be able to provide whoever with whatever is needed. It is a great time to be here in COLORADO. Peace

 

[homebrew420]

Thanks Rocky!

I keep reading that dispensaries keep high prices so not to encourage patients buying the product at a lower price in the store than selling it at the going street rate later on. This makes sense but that is not the responsibility of the dispensary. That burden falls on the patient and I think its a bullshit excuse for keeping prices high. Not all members of the co-op should have to pay high prices just because the actions of a few might seem unethical.

"While we can't just purchase from a "vendor" any MMJ patient in colorado can legally sell their overage to another legal MMJ patient from what i understand."

So does it work like this? You are the caregiver for 10 people and with that comes the ability to grow X number of plants. If after growing X amounts of plants you are left with X amount of ounces over your limit you can sale that amount to another caregiver?

The limit is kind of arbitrary from what I understand. The cops and state don't want you toting around with tons of Meds and moving it willy-nilly. You're allowed to "donate" it to both patients and caregivers, and I think the word, donate, is used VERY loosely.

 

[pikes peak 69]

The law does not state that when you list a primary cg you can not grow as a patient.
I infact beg to differ as the law states collectively a patient and a cg cannot have more then XXXXX. That indicates that both people may grow or possess.

pp69

 

[Legalmeduser]

I was told you were allowed your 6 plants and your care giver 6 for you. You may become too sick to finish a grow and you still need meds.

First let me say Im not defending $18p/gm and higher clubs these are some greedy folks IMHO.

I think ,the clubs $17p/gm and under with store fronts , most people need to cut them a break. When you factor in they are paying out Income tax on a product they probbably never paid taxes on before, payroll on multiple employees, biz insurance, rent (most likely on 2 locations), the cost of biz lic, LLC formation cost, lawyer retainer fee, and all of the day to day BS of running a really busy buisness, if they are brave enough to stick it out there let them make their $12-17 p/g.

Last time I went to Amsterdam (04) I remember paying over $20 p/g for straight crap and almost $40 for .5 g of some decent bubble and Im sure the prices havent come down in the last 5 years. Hopefully the quality went up.

Its pretty simple, if the meds dont look good or are too expensive DONT BUY THEM.

 

[SweetBOG]

I was told you were allowed your 6 plants and your care giver 6 for you. You may become too sick to finish a grow and you still need meds.

First let me say Im not defending $18p/gm and higher clubs these are some greedy folks IMHO.

I think ,the clubs $17p/gm and under with store fronts , most people need to cut them a break. When you factor in they are paying out Income tax on a product they probbably never paid taxes on before, payroll on multiple employees, biz insurance, rent (most likely on 2 locations), the cost of biz lic, LLC formation cost, lawyer retainer fee, and all of the day to day BS of running a really busy buisness, if they are brave enough to stick it out there let them make their $12-17 p/g.

Last time I went to Amsterdam (04) I remember paying over $20 p/g for straight crap and almost $40 for .5 g of some decent bubble and Im sure the prices havent come down in the last 5 years. Hopefully the quality went up.

Its pretty simple, if the meds dont look good or are too expensive DONT BUY THEM.

you have some good points. there's also risk involved since dispensaries are targets for robberies. the price of buds will always be what customers are willing to pay. No one's gonna work their ass off all day dealing with what Legalmeduser already said, and then some, unless they can make a good living doing it. the trick is to up the supply by having many many more patients grow their 6 plants... these same patients that keep coming back and dropping up to $20 a gram at the dispensaries. if you really want to help the med community, encourage/teach everyone how to grow and give away beans, clones... ya know, johnny fricken appleseed. hopefully one day the dispensary will be nothing more than a coffee or candy shop where patients can come in and buy a few grams of this and that for a weekend's variety sake or to try the latest, bleeding-edge strains of the month to compliment the few ounces of super kind they already have in jars from a continuous closet grow. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GROW EVERYONE GROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pikes peak 69]

The law allows 6 plants COLLECTIVELY as a guideline. You can have more but must prove the need.

I was told you were allowed your 6 plants and your care giver 6 for you. You may become too sick to finish a grow and you still need meds.

First let me say Im not defending $18p/gm and higher clubs these are some greedy folks IMHO.

I think ,the clubs $17p/gm and under with store fronts , most people need to cut them a break. When you factor in they are paying out Income tax on a product they probbably never paid taxes on before, payroll on multiple employees, biz insurance, rent (most likely on 2 locations), the cost of biz lic, LLC formation cost, lawyer retainer fee, and all of the day to day BS of running a really busy buisness, if they are brave enough to stick it out there let them make their $12-17 p/g.

Last time I went to Amsterdam (04) I remember paying over $20 p/g for straight crap and almost $40 for .5 g of some decent bubble and Im sure the prices havent come down in the last 5 years. Hopefully the quality went up.

Its pretty simple, if the meds dont look good or are too expensive DONT BUY THEM.

 

[homebrew420]

I like the way you think SweetBOG.

 

[BowlPacks]

Must prove the need, yes. It also states, however, that medical necessity would be an affirmative defense. Also, according to a local attorney, there have been ZERO charges by the feds for anything involving medical marijuana. Including patients/ caregivers with plant numbers over 99. State charges have been pressed against individuals with high plant counts, but if they are med patients or caregivers their has been only 1 case where there was jail time. The others were probation, and suspended sentences.

On the other hand I want to make it clear that I am DEFINITELY NOT ENCOURAGING ANYONE TO HAVE ILLEGAL PLANT NUMBERS! I am simply sharing information that I paid for... Please consult your own attorney about your own situation!
Stay legal, stay safe...

EDIT- This only applies to Colorado.

 

[BigappleNugz]

i wish these places charges under $20 a grm> its more like 20-25-30-35 agram in alot of places> for top qual its atleast 70 an 1/8 in alot of places. i just moved here to CO and me and a buddy want to open up a place and charge $40 an 1/8 for top qual> i think they should all charge $40 1/8 but thats not going to happen anytime soon