What would yield more? LST/Topping/Scrog??
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TEERCSIdbREEDER
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i would go scrog in that space. white widow does really well using the scrog technique. i hope u have tested the space already temp wise. are you running an air cooled hood?
I'd take LST and ScrOG over topping for yield. The main shoot sends a signal to the rest of the plant that says, "Get behind me and stay there." The plant obeys. Cut it off, the next two send the same signal and the plant obeys. BUT, if you bend the top, rather than cut it off, the signal becomes, "I've fallen and can't get up." Now every stem insists on being the big bud and lower growth explodes.
420chuy
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I'd take LST and ScrOG over topping for yield. The main shoot sends a signal to the rest of the plant that says, "Get behind me and stay there." The plant obeys. Cut it off, the next two send the same signal and the plant obeys. BUT, if you bend the top, rather than cut it off, the signal becomes, "I've fallen and can't get up." Now every stem insists on being the big bud and lower growth explodes.
Thanks for the pics/info.. Im a fan of LST but wanted to get some more input.. Ive tried LST on CFL's and it grew real nice and bushy, now I want to do it under an HPS..
LST started early combined with scrogg is win win
plants choped at 50 days they where hastely LST'd at last moment
2 gal grow bags cheap soil
strain Sugar shack
Yield 300 grams dry
lighting old self contained ballast 400w hps growen in C25 style wardrobe cabinit. dems 20inch deep 48 wide 73 tall cab was in a closet
when LST is started early you can train the main stem just above the soil
plant on right LST was started early 10 days after clone was planted, plant on left was allowed to grow single main cola no LST
same plant after harvested
notice how close the main stem was trained to the soil again strain sugar shack taken at 50 days 12/12. above 2 plants where also growen in the cab under same 400w light with other plants in cab.
when i LST i plant towards 1 side of container i secure bottom of plant -2 inch off soil to that 1 side of container. now as i slowly pull top towards the other side i pull untill i feel resistance from the plant not wanting to bend that far. i stop and back off a tad and secure the top next day i adjust down farther i do this each day untill desired angel is reached. when plant reachs other side of container allow to grow upwards or transplant into larger container. the above plant in the pic thats its forth container i TP'd 4 times during LST training. each larger container i would re adjust the top each day untill it reache the side of container. even during flower i adjusted the LST tad here or there for more info thumb through my 06 grow log in my sig
plants choped at 50 days they where hastely LST'd at last moment
2 gal grow bags cheap soil
strain Sugar shack
Yield 300 grams dry
lighting old self contained ballast 400w hps growen in C25 style wardrobe cabinit. dems 20inch deep 48 wide 73 tall cab was in a closet
when LST is started early you can train the main stem just above the soil
plant on right LST was started early 10 days after clone was planted, plant on left was allowed to grow single main cola no LST
same plant after harvested
notice how close the main stem was trained to the soil again strain sugar shack taken at 50 days 12/12. above 2 plants where also growen in the cab under same 400w light with other plants in cab.
when i LST i plant towards 1 side of container i secure bottom of plant -2 inch off soil to that 1 side of container. now as i slowly pull top towards the other side i pull untill i feel resistance from the plant not wanting to bend that far. i stop and back off a tad and secure the top next day i adjust down farther i do this each day untill desired angel is reached. when plant reachs other side of container allow to grow upwards or transplant into larger container. the above plant in the pic thats its forth container i TP'd 4 times during LST training. each larger container i would re adjust the top each day untill it reache the side of container. even during flower i adjusted the LST tad here or there for more info thumb through my 06 grow log in my sig
Note that ScrOG is a form of LST. The only difference is, ScrOG uses a screen while LST uses string or hooks or tape. Now it's a matter of grower personality. Whichever method is more "fun" or "less bother" to you is the way to go. The happier you are with your methods, the better care you'll take of your grow.
TEERCSIdbREEDER
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keep in mind once you decide you want to scrog you have to be fully commited. everything under the screen needs to be trimmed. along with that you have to be able to reach in an be able to water easily. you should start scrog in early veg and flip to flower once your almost 50% filled. some find it easier to lst bc you can take the plants out to water or observe but i guess with only one you could make shift the screen to the bucket and take out as a whole. good luck! update with pictures once you get going.
Depends on what you're growing. 20+ week Sativa's should be be flipped first with the screen added weeks later when plants are tall enough to reach it.
Moving ScrOG plants can be a major pain. Your suggestin of modular ScrOGs is a good one. Another is a sliding shelf ala The AMAZING NGB Cab allowing you to slide plants out from under the lamp.
A small pond pump in the res would allow for draining out the top of the tub. Note the tube sticking out of the orange plug. A similar pump is used to pump water in after it's been mixed with nutes.
TEERCSIdbREEDER
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widow is 9-10weeks in most cases. just dont think if he flipped at 8 inches he will be happy with the total yield at the end with a 400w. plus its the indoor soil thread so i figured he wasnt asking bout dwc..... 20+ week Sativa's should be be flipped first with the screen added weeks later when plants are tall enough to reach it.
A small pond pump in the res would allow for draining out the top of the tub. Note the tube sticking out of the orange plug. A similar pump is used to pump water in after it's been mixed with nutes.
Alienate420
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With the right strain, i.e. one with pliable rather than brittle branches, LST involves nothing more than a casual minute or two of bending the limbs to your liking, no strings attached.
...oh...and since I'm not quite sure where else to say this...and it must be said...ASHTON KUTCHER is a JACKASS.
...oh...and since I'm not quite sure where else to say this...and it must be said...ASHTON KUTCHER is a JACKASS.
Both LST and ScrOG work the same way, by increasing the plants surface area as viewed from above. I call it the lightprint, and increasing it is the single most effective cultivational method for increasing yield. With clones, bending (or whatever method you use) can be practiced as soon as they have a branch or two to bend. Just be ready to water and feed, because a plant with an increased lightprint will soon be very thirsty and hungry. Plants in nature can't lay themselves down to get more light because their neighbors will shade them. That's why they grow tall instead of wide. Farmers interested in yield want wide.
Bending increases the yield of individual plants, but to increase the yield of the room, you need to concentrate on arranging the plants efficiently under the growlight. I started using the term stadium on OG years ago, but it may have come to mean something else now, I'm not sure. To me, a stadium arrangement is a bowl shaped formation of the canopy of plants under the light. It could be achieved by ScrOG, but it's easy just to arrange some plants on shelves around the sides and fool around with some upturned pots. A good stadium setup doesn't let much light leak out the sides because side plants are up almost to the top edge of the bulbs angle of radiance. One of the many benifits of this is that by directing most of the light on the leaves, the room stays much cooler. This is because without the leaves all that extra light would be hitting the walls and making the room hot.
Bending increases the yield of individual plants, but to increase the yield of the room, you need to concentrate on arranging the plants efficiently under the growlight. I started using the term stadium on OG years ago, but it may have come to mean something else now, I'm not sure. To me, a stadium arrangement is a bowl shaped formation of the canopy of plants under the light. It could be achieved by ScrOG, but it's easy just to arrange some plants on shelves around the sides and fool around with some upturned pots. A good stadium setup doesn't let much light leak out the sides because side plants are up almost to the top edge of the bulbs angle of radiance. One of the many benifits of this is that by directing most of the light on the leaves, the room stays much cooler. This is because without the leaves all that extra light would be hitting the walls and making the room hot.
LST is so much more then bending the limbs to your liking, theres a reason LST stands for low stress training. bending the limbs to your liking is a high stress scene what you suggest is more like supercrop. gently crush inner herd of stem and then bending to 1 side at 90 degree angel
Pliable stems, crushed and folded, can straighten up in a few hours as though nothing happened. A casual bending can straighten up in a matter of seconds. Plan on needing string or similar to lock it in place.
Agreed, it takes practice before you don't break or not cause enough bend (and they straighten up). I think that's the way it is with all the 'money' techniques of cannabis culture. As MPH points out, the stem can be gently crushed. If just the underside is crushed along a fair length (instead of one place), the maximum amount of control over the final position of the stem can be exercised.
