Trifoliates

[GMT]

you can argue it, how successfully, we'll have to see

Now this quote of yours is taken out of context and I appologise for that but
"branchier cultivars indoors will produce a higher yield per sq x"
is what you agreed upon.

ok so that's a quad not a tri, but the principle holds true, what makes you feel that 3 or in this case 4 will produce less than 2? Why are they destined to grow any slower than 2 branches would? It is true that 2 tops will not perform the same way as 1 top will, but it isn't true to say that 4 branches will grow slower than 2 will, merely that each of the buds upon them will not be 100% of the size that they would be on each of 2 branches, but they aren't reduced to 50% size either.

 

[guest123]

Take a look, a really good look at many of your plants in any given population. Your skinny plants are taller on average, your short plants are thicker stemmed on average etc, outside of genetic variance, it is all just energy displacement. This is what pruning is all about, two always grows twice as fast as 4 given the same root structure etc. These plants you are showing are an anomaly, maybe even due to inbreeding depression. Really GMT, do you feel that you are really seeing a significant enough value in them? I do not. I have grown well over 10,000 plants, a couple hundred of them were whorled phyllotaxy, there is just no added percentage in there worth perusing imo.

 

[GMT]

How does a plant take in energy? what are its energy capture sources? How many of these does each type of structure have?

 

[guest123]

When the 2 outgrows the 4 by double or more, again, it's a wash at best - no response - to much laid on the table. I've said more than enough, take it or leave it amigo. As is always the case, your call.

 

[GMT]

cannafred, I really don't understand your last post. There isn't anything I have failed to respond to knowingly. I have nothing laid on any tables, I'm not a pro seed breeder at all, I'm a hobbyist. If I spend 10 years going somewhere that I merely enjoy the ride on, then I have gained a nice ride if nothing else. Really, where is the advantage to purple buds? where is the advantage to a taste? lots of things genuinely have no advantage never mind one that can be argued. I simply showed an interest in trifoliars, and started to breed them, mainly out of interest as so much bad info had been posted about them, such as always being males/hermies etc. and I had seen for myself that this wasn't the case. Once I showed that, some people started to show an interest also. I enjoy the smoke of my plants, the bi's as well as the tri's, when I grow for smoke I grow either, when I generate some new seeds for myself, I use trifoliar parents. Are you really saying that you feel I am harming my gene pool by doing that?

I am in no way questioning your experience, or your experience in trifoliars, as we have grown somewhere around the same number of them now I would guess from your figures.

 

[guest123]

I don't know what to say man, I say two grows twice as fast as four, and you say, yeah, but there's four, teehe. Grow whorled p if you want, but I see no advantage in them. Your gene pool is yours to do with what you please GMT, as always.

 

[GMT]

well that's not quite what I say to be fair. What I say is how can 2 capture the same energy levels that 4 can capture?

 

[guest123]

Hi again GMT,

Hehe, and I keep saying/answering by outgrowing the 4. Each one of the two produces more mass more quickly than each one of the four. I am extremely surprised to hear (if that's what I am hearing?) that you might be experiencing otherwise (to any measurable degree) in reasonably controlled experiments.

 

[GMT]

I'm afraid that I don't qualify under the conditions you set out to report my experiences on the matter. measurable degree and reasonably controlled are both terms that my set up fails to meet. As I said, I'm only a keen hobbiest rather than commercial breeding set up. I can't offer average numbers to compare, I can offer personal beliefs, and some speculation on genetics, and a few nice photos on the subject. To my knowledge I have the highest concentration of trifoliars in my population to be found. When I grow them, I get enough to make selections among them rather than picking one to breed with simply because it exhibits that one trait. Perhaps that allows me to retain some of the more favourable qualities to be found, perhaps I am getting lucky, or perhaps I am kidding myself.