6 plants 2 buckets 1 strain... some are denser then others, why?

[twisztdauthorit]

ok so ima get some pix up later but here is where im at.

6 cuttings taken from a supposed skunk xxx(bagseed)

There are 3 plants each in 5 gallonhydro buckets.
running under 600 digital hps( turned downto 400 for the last few weeks due to heat issues)

tried to keep both buckets in the same ppm range.
lucas formula bumped up to 1500ppm for most of flower, was 1800+ on a few occassions.

day 55 flower
one bucket( 3 plants) has extremely dense nugs, rock hard.
the other has 1 plant that is semi-dense and the other 2 are airy.

Here are my thoughts as to why this is

1. different pheno types of the same plant.
2. one bucket had a tiny extra bubbler giving the roots slighty more oxygen.
3. one bucket had a fan directly on it while the other one had indirect air flow.


Any one else have something similar happen to them?
both sides are equally as frosty and tastey looking but the dense side clearly wins.

this is one of my first grows that have gone all the way through and my first time testing hydro so any constructive criticism is helpfull.

pics coming tonight

 

[MAZEinaHAZE]

Hey Twiszt,

could it have anything to do with the distance from the top of each plant, to your light ? could some of the buckets be located just "off center", or on the perimeter of your floor plan ?

just wondering..........

PS..how do you "turn down" a 600w hps to 400w ?? i thought the bulb must always match the ballast. confused

 

[twisztdauthorit]

light was centered between both plants.

I have a digital ballast with a dimmer on it. 100%/75%/50%


I am noticing the bucket with the dense nugs is also drinking alot more water (approx 1gall a day) while the bucket with the fluffier nugs drink alot less( less than half a gallon )

 

[MAZEinaHAZE]

Hey Twiszt.....my bad...after reading that about the ballasts, i reasearched further and never knew there were "dimmable" ballasts.....great to know !!!

thx

 

[twisztdauthorit]

general pic of the setup

left side is the dens side
right side is the fluffier side.

theres about 24-28 decent sized colas all crammed in there with the largest cola(somewhat dense) coming off the fluffy side.



perhaps the roots have nutrient lockout or just got to tangled up and slowed growth to the fluffy side? I want to find an explanation so as to get that better crop next time.

 

[lysol]

running under 600 digital hps( turned downto 400 for the last few weeks due to heat issues)

How?! ( I see dimmable ballasts? but what one did you get ) I have the Lumatek digi 600 I dont think it has any kind of switches or settings, what ballast does this? Do you change the bulb?! I would consider selling mine and buying one of whatever you have!

 

[twisztdauthorit]

I forgot what brand.. its the orange one with a silver knob. Its up on ebay for sure.

No need to change bulb but being digi it can run MH and HPS

 

[twisztdauthorit]

no ideas yet? im set on the thought that they were two different phenos...

now.. i gotta find out which one is which and seperate them.
any good ideas on how to do this in a timely manner?

 

[TEERCSIdbREEDER]

wait 6 different clones in two buckets? they still wont produce the same amount of bud, they are different new plants with their own root system. some will root better and take better than others and thus making some clones stronger than others.

 

[twisztdauthorit]

wait 6 different clones in two buckets? they still wont produce the same amount of bud, they are different new plants with their own root system. some will root better and take better than others and thus making some clones stronger than others.

the 6 different clones were all the same strain, just from 2-3 different seeds.

what happend was i grew out all 6 clones... half were dense, half werent.
i took 6 clones before i flowered from the current 6 and now have 6 more in flower. all 6 of which could be from a clone of any of the original 3 seeds.



now i got to weed out the crappy ones and get me a good mother.
I took a clone from the densest looking plant (@ 50 days flower) so im hoping it will root and be my mother. I didnt get a chance to do it any sooner.

 

[MtnKuSh]

how is your light hung..? if its not giving off an even canopy this could be your prob!! ..more light on the 1 one plant makes that plant drink more and fillout tighter danker nuggs.. the plant getting less light barely drinks water and stretches toward light rather then putting on tight nuggedge she is wispy. show a pic of your light setup in the box from a frontal view.?>!

 

[Zeinth]

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clones..should be carbon copys..

select phenos are a time consuming project.

each plant from a seed must be grown out to see what is what.

ive noticed that sometimes a less dense bud can be more potent than a dense bud.

so if your growing for looks...dense..

after all..even 45 day strains still should cure another 30 days..

 

[twisztdauthorit]

clones..should be carbon copys..

select phenos are a time consuming project.

each plant from a seed must be grown out to see what is what.

ive noticed that sometimes a less dense bud can be more potent than a dense bud.

so if your growing for looks...dense..

after all..even 45 day strains still should cure another 30 days..

canopy was as even as it can get.


btw on your sig... Money is printed on cotton not trees(paper)

 

[TEERCSIdbREEDER]

how is your light hung..? if its not giving off an even canopy this could be your prob!! ..more light on the 1 one plant makes that plant drink more and fillout tighter danker nuggs.. the plant getting less light barely drinks water and stretches toward light rather then putting on tight nuggedge she is wispy. show a pic of your light setup in the box from a frontal view.?>!

it could be the exact opposite. i saw your temp readings at 86* and 28% RH. if its 86 over in the shade it must be mid 90s under the light. if your light is over the right side...doesnt heat stress make buds stretch more and not compact and doesnt it make alot more leaves at the top? which it seems like it looks like in one of the pictures. just something to look at.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

They are not clones of the same plant, genes are involved. That means one simple rule; Nature wins over Nurture. Your differences are genetic.

 

[Outportgrower]

I have the same issue. Seems to be more of a lighting issue rather than much else. Move your light around, and you will see what happens to the other side of the blue berry patch. Working here anyway.

 

[twisztdauthorit]

I have the same issue. Seems to be more of a lighting issue rather than much else. Move your light around, and you will see what happens to the other side of the blue berry patch. Working here anyway.

ill possibly try raising the light slightly to get better light spread.
right now the closest nug in the current run is a good 10" with no heat stress. the farthest nugs probably being about 2' away from the light.

The dense nugs were both far and close to the light so i dont think the light/heat was the problem but it could very well be. Ill monitor temps and light spread a little closer.