WHY did some one not tell ME

[Trillyen]

OK, so i got this grow going on, and from the start i planned on flowering in like 1 quart pots, for the whole flowering time

LOL, never new about ROOT rot, and roots needing that much space, wow, boy am i learning

i had to cut my 18 plant grow down to like 8, wish i would have made my room longer

im flowering with a 600 watt hps, and the strain for now is WHITE WIDOW, i think i could have gotten alot fuller fatter buds if for more root space.

whats the right size pot for a maximum YIELD

i was thinking square 3 gallon pots, will this get my yield up, cause last grow was like 42 grams a plant usually, id like to have at least 5 ounces wet off of a plant ya know, lol

 

[Kuroth]

hummmmm I think root rot can be caused by several different things and not just a small container.. I heve seen lots of Micro growers on here that were fine with using small containers..

 

[DoobieDuck]

whats the right size pot for a maximum YIELD

Trillyen not to be funny but the best thing is un-obstructed growth in the ground..no pots. So if you understand that... you will get a better yeild as you increase the pot size. Most grows I see using 12" are donig best for indoor. But again this also depends on the strain and the stretch of the girls your growing, there are variables. You'll get some good smoke out of this I hope, we are all learning still. I'm sure more experianced indoor growers will help you here soon. DD

 

[WAMEN]

with a 600watter you should do like 9 plants in 7 or 11 liters pots. if you reduce the pot size add some plants.

 

[Moldy Dreads]

whats the right size pot for a maximum YIELD

It depends on the medium and how long you veg also. If you are growing soil, I would not flower in pots smaller than 5 gallon to tell you the truth. I start the cuttings or seedlings in solo cups with holes, let the roots grow in for a week or so, then they go into larger pots like 6" or 1 gallon pots depending on how vigorous they are, then I'll veg until they are like 1 or 2 feet tall, trimming them as they grow for mor bud sites, then I transfer to 5 gallon pots for flowering.

You can get away with smaller pots if growing in Coco coir, but that requires a bit more experience and fine tuning of nutes.

If you have root rot you probably are watering too much and your soil probably needs more drainage, which can be obtained by adding more perlite or similar material to your medium. Root rot usually comes from waterlogged medium and overwatering. Small pots usually make plants suffer by making the roots wind up and rootbound, but root rot will only get worse in larger pots if they don't drain well and if you overwater. The best thing is to have a good draining medium and lift the pots for weight before rewatering. If the top inch looks dry, but the pots are heavy, just mist the top layer without wetting the lower wet soil until it dries and the pots get dryer in between waterings.

It takes time and experimentation to get that dialed in..just the medium and how it drains makes huge difference in yield..Best of luck

 

[Jnugg]

Ideally you want to allow 1-1.5 gallons of grow medium per foot of growth (this is different in hydro).

 

[Anh Bi]

If you are to maximize your yield, you are better off with more plants in smaller pots for a true SOG. You can push 5-9 plants per square foot easily. Just run massive batches of clones, pot them, and flower them right away without any vegging.

You will be getting modest results per plant, maybe 7-15 grams, but you can easily push 100+ plants under a 600W.

 

[CANNACO-OP]

"WHY did some one not tell ME"

why did you not ask?, but in seriousness, you got some good info from everybody but me, sorry,

peace, canna

 

[cyber echo]

You can also try raised transplanting. That gives more depth for the roots than conventional transplanting and that gives you a better yield.

 

[milehighmedical]

From what I hear root capacity has a pretty direct translation to potential yield. An ounce per gallon is the loose rule, I'd round up. For example I have my girl's flowering in 3 gallon containers, max. yield per plant is about 2-3 oz. Next round I'm vegging longer and want to shoot for 4 oz. a plant, so I'm transplanting into 5 gallon from 3 gallon about two weeks before flowering, after vegging for a considerable period of time.

 

[Weedman Herb]

So more root space = more weed huh? I say Happy Roots = more weed ... Hmmmm ... That's Venomhead ... 3 ounces of Dried Buds is what she produced ... in that pot ... not even close to what y'all call root bound ...

 

[Jnugg]

So more root space = more weed huh? I say Happy Roots = more weed ... Hmmmm ... That's Venomhead ... 3 ounces of Dried Buds is what she produced ... in that pot ... not even close to what y'all call root bound ...

Wash she started from seed in that pot or was she a clone....that's the question!

There are a ton of variables,just like in car stereo.People ask me all the time "I have these subs and this amp in this box in this car,how many db's do you think I'll hit?"

They get the same answer as someone asking " I have a 400w light and a growsapce this big using this strain and this growing method,what would my yields be?"

The answer is "Couldn't tell ya bro,only runing it and testing and re testing and re testing will tell you.There are just too many variables to get a decent answer and pretty much impossible to give real world numbers.

 

[alpinestar]

40 to 60 in 6" containers with no veg clones will get you a very good yield, as widow is a sog strain

 

[milehighmedical]

So more root space = more weed huh? I say Happy Roots = more weed ... Hmmmm ... That's Venomhead ... 3 ounces of Dried Buds is what she produced ... in that pot ... not even close to what y'all call root bound ...

Wow, that's impressive. I guess right now I have a two foot durban poison in the same size pot, but I just transplanted her because I was having to water everyday. Reassuring though that pot size doesn't actually limit yield. It was something I read a few times on IC in some old posts, guess that doesn't make it true. Still threw her in a 5 gallon grow bag to give her some room. My fox farm's starting to get expensive by the 5 gallon pot though, over $10 to fill one. Ouch.

 

[geopolitical]

You can get away with severely reduced soil volume but only by using things like copper to root prune or surface covering to keep ALL the soil in the pot in active use by the roots. This comes at the cost of the plant being WAY more sensitive to environmental variables such as watering frequency, fertilizer uptake and temperatures.

In general, more soil volume = more buffering from potential problems. That being said, I've gotten away with absolutely ridiculously small pots in the past by using spinout and a surface covering of leca. Unless you really know what you're doing however I wouldn't recommend it. I've been doing Shohin for years and a lot of the tricks I picked up there applied to the hobby that keeps the wife happy.

 

[GanjaGrow]

A good rule of thumb that my mom always told me growing up (she's always had a green thumb) is that whatever size plant you have above ground is about the same size you have below ground. Granted if it's in a pot the roots may have the same mass as the stock, leaves and buds but it's going to be more compact because of the container. If you have a 60 foot oak tree in your back yard you most likely have at least a 60 foot tap root below it.

GG

 

[Trillyen]

It depends on the medium and how long you veg also. If you are growing soil, I would not flower in pots smaller than 5 gallon to tell you the truth. I start the cuttings or seedlings in solo cups with holes, let the roots grow in for a week or so, then they go into larger pots like 6" or 1 gallon pots depending on how vigorous they are, then I'll veg until they are like 1 or 2 feet tall, trimming them as they grow for mor bud sites, then I transfer to 5 gallon pots for flowering.

You can get away with smaller pots if growing in Coco coir, but that requires a bit more experience and fine tuning of nutes.

If you have root rot you probably are watering too much and your soil probably needs more drainage, which can be obtained by adding more perlite or similar material to your medium. Root rot usually comes from waterlogged medium and overwatering. Small pots usually make plants suffer by making the roots wind up and rootbound, but root rot will only get worse in larger pots if they don't drain well and if you overwater. The best thing is to have a good draining medium and lift the pots for weight before rewatering. If the top inch looks dry, but the pots are heavy, just mist the top layer without wetting the lower wet soil until it dries and the pots get dryer in between waterings.

It takes time and experimentation to get that dialed in..just the medium and how it drains makes huge difference in yield..Best of luck

WOW, thanks for the expierenced insight on this post + rep to u my friend.

My grow consisits of the clone being put in a clone machine for about a week or maybe even 2 then going straight to flowering once a nice root ball is established, i have 3.4 liter square pots to put them in to grow right now, and 1 big 3 gallon square pot, most of my plants are in soil.

But 5 of them are in a 10 gallon rubber maid toat with 5 sites, and the medium is HYDROTON balls, usually when i put my freshly rooted clones in the rubber maid toat they wilt so i have to put up a wall and use cfls, for a week or so but still on 12/12 odviously.

thanks for the help, im sure you will let me know if im doing anything wrong

sounds like to me i may need another veg room

ohh and 5 gallon pot are way to big i could probably only have like 4 or maybe 5 in my room, im also working with a limited height requirement too, so i dont know

my flower box is like 4 feet long 5 feet high, and about 24 inches wide
4 of those feet long are taken up by about a foot of the rubbermaid tubs space

thanks for the help, hopefully those pics give u a idea of what im working with!!

 

[Trillyen]

So more root space = more weed huh? I say Happy Roots = more weed ... Hmmmm ... That's Venomhead ... 3 ounces of Dried Buds is what she produced ... in that pot ... not even close to what y'all call root bound ...

dont understand this but it sounds great

these are the exact pots im using or was using any way but my plants dont look like that do u have a diary i can follow or something cause i like what i see and the yield i hear sounds amazing

TELL ME MORE
+ rep to u!!

u saved me money dude!!!

 

[Weedman Herb]

Wash she started from seed in that pot or was she a clone....that's the question!

From Seed in that pot ... look at the structure ... that's 4 branches popping in at just over 1/4 a piece, some scrub growth (but very little) and a main cola that weighed just over 2 zips ... that's a 6 inch flex vent next too her ... here's the Kicker ... she never knew anything but 12 on 12 off light cycle ... that Venomhead is kind of a special plant ... the breeder informed me that if I kept feeding her (I was) she might continue to put out mad flowers (she did) ... I had to basically starve her to get her to finish. I have a thread on Tangerine Haze where I show one that I busted straight out of the dome in to the same sized pot and off to the flowering room. I get a zip per that way and I've gotten one to go 41 Gs ...

 

[Weedman Herb]

Trillyen - Sorry ... I just noticed this is the Indoor Soil forum and even though that looks like soil it's not. I run ProMix BX and a simple FloraNova stepped up program (I increase the base nute strength every time I feed them). In both cycles (if I run a veg at all) I add sensizym, floralicious, + and a touch of Cal Mag + to the solution. I have been known to add a touch of Koolbloom liquid and molasses for a few feedings before the final flush. Again sorry ... I didn't mean to be misleading.