tennesseetoker
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Cool man that's what i plan on having.
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150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......
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SlowCalaToker
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From everything I've read from the multitude of great people here is that the inline fan will work for what you need, providing the cfm's are high enough. The is a formula for figuring the cfm's per cubic foot of grow space, but I couldn't find it now to save my ass! Maybe someone else reading this remembers where this is and can post it for all of us...
*I* personally would advise the Stanley blower. My reasoning is that with as addictive as this hobby becomes, and as much as you *will* tinker and change your setup, good ventilation will be the one aspect that HAS to be managed. Having the blower will assure that you have enough cfm's to put a 250w in a cabinet or a 600x in a closet without having to buy another air mover. I have 3 different ventilation systems gathering dust right now and could have saved myself that hassle and wasted money by buying the blower off the bat. Plus you can build a bigger scrubber and be sure of your odor control rather than hoping it will be enough. It's not worth much, but that's my
Good luck, you are definitely on the right track!
From everything I've read from the multitude of great people here is that the inline fan will work for what you need, providing the cfm's are high enough. The is a formula for figuring the cfm's per cubic foot of grow space, but I couldn't find it now to save my ass! Maybe someone else reading this remembers where this is and can post it for all of us...
*I* personally would advise the Stanley blower. My reasoning is that with as addictive as this hobby becomes, and as much as you *will* tinker and change your setup, good ventilation will be the one aspect that HAS to be managed. Having the blower will assure that you have enough cfm's to put a 250w in a cabinet or a 600x in a closet without having to buy another air mover. I have 3 different ventilation systems gathering dust right now and could have saved myself that hassle and wasted money by buying the blower off the bat. Plus you can build a bigger scrubber and be sure of your odor control rather than hoping it will be enough. It's not worth much, but that's my
Good luck, you are definitely on the right track!
I really can't thank you enough for the input. I am so excited to be a part of this family, and can't wait to share my experience with you guys. Thanks again, and I will keep you posted with construction.
jengi
Member
Hey guys, let me start off saying by this is my first grow, as well as first time posting in the 150W club.
The strain is an autoflowering, g13's poison dwarf. How long would u guys say she has? and how much would u guys guess the dry weight will be? I know you cant really say because it depends on numerous factors, but if you had to guess. Cheers
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The strain is an autoflowering, g13's poison dwarf. How long would u guys say she has? and how much would u guys guess the dry weight will be? I know you cant really say because it depends on numerous factors, but if you had to guess. Cheers
http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=7164&pictureid=120652
http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=7164&pictureid=120651
http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=7164&pictureid=120650
http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=7164&pictureid=120649
http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=7164&pictureid=120648
http://icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=7164&pictureid=120647
Dry weight will be approx 20% of the wet weight. sorry, don't have a guess. weight will depend on size and density of buds.
Try an IC search on the strain name, if nothing here maybe a google. If you can't find the info you're looking for, keep an eye on the trichs. Clear is a weak high, cloudy will be more up (head high) and amber will be more stony (body high) amber and cloudy will get you a mix of both.
Try an IC search on the strain name, if nothing here maybe a google. If you can't find the info you're looking for, keep an eye on the trichs. Clear is a weak high, cloudy will be more up (head high) and amber will be more stony (body high) amber and cloudy will get you a mix of both.
Oy! Here I go again. Life got in the way and once again I had to put project grow cabinet on hold. But I am determined to get going on this asap! Although I'm frustrated at not being up and running by now, I do have to say sometimes these things work out to our advantage. In my case I no longer have to worry about any hieght restrictions. I can hypotethically go with a 8' tall cabinet. And I think I'm going to do just that. I just need to get a bit of advice on some things I need to tweak before doing so.
Although I am going with a larger cabinet now, and I understand from having read every post in this thread, that larger cabinets don't have as many issues with over heating. I still want to make sure I have enough air flow to keep my babies nice and healthy. I also want to make sure it's still somewhat stealthy and have good oder control.
To simplify things to calculate the size fan I need, I'm going to pretend there's no walls, shelves or such inside the cabinet. The size I'm thinking of is 8'tall x 2.5' deep and 4' wide=80 feet cubed. If I want an exchange rate of 5 times a minute, that means a fan of 400cfm. I know, from pricing them, Panasonic makes a 380cfm whisper. The 20cfm difference, well, I don't think will matter all that much because I will actually have shelves, walls and dividers inside the box.
Does this sound about right so far? If not, please let me know before I order a fan!
I had to mention the fan issue first because I wanted to get what size fan I'm concidering out there so as to get advice on the next bit....the carbon scrubber.
I like the carbon scrubber that the person from hawaii designed. But I do have a possible changes or enhancements I'd like to make. First off, since heat rises, I'd like to take advantage of that by placing the vent over the flower chamber instead of to the side, like my orginal design was.
But this means instead of having a scrubber that's vertical like I'd planned, I now need one that's hortizonal. What I really need to know is how thick of a charcoal "bed" do I actually need to make sure my cabinet doesn't kick skunky air. Mind you part of the cabinet will be used to dry/cure AND I like to go with stinky based indicia based strains.
My orginal thoughts was to use 1/2"thick x 4"wide trim boards to make the scrubber frame. But I have concerns that if I make it too thick it'll put a strain on the fan's motor and burning it out. I need to find that "goldie lox" size, not to big and burn out the fan or get proper ventilation, not too small and my house smells like I'm breeding skunks as a hobby. Suggestions?
Thanks,
Jax
Although I am going with a larger cabinet now, and I understand from having read every post in this thread, that larger cabinets don't have as many issues with over heating. I still want to make sure I have enough air flow to keep my babies nice and healthy. I also want to make sure it's still somewhat stealthy and have good oder control.
To simplify things to calculate the size fan I need, I'm going to pretend there's no walls, shelves or such inside the cabinet. The size I'm thinking of is 8'tall x 2.5' deep and 4' wide=80 feet cubed. If I want an exchange rate of 5 times a minute, that means a fan of 400cfm. I know, from pricing them, Panasonic makes a 380cfm whisper. The 20cfm difference, well, I don't think will matter all that much because I will actually have shelves, walls and dividers inside the box.
Does this sound about right so far? If not, please let me know before I order a fan!
I had to mention the fan issue first because I wanted to get what size fan I'm concidering out there so as to get advice on the next bit....the carbon scrubber.
I like the carbon scrubber that the person from hawaii designed. But I do have a possible changes or enhancements I'd like to make. First off, since heat rises, I'd like to take advantage of that by placing the vent over the flower chamber instead of to the side, like my orginal design was.
But this means instead of having a scrubber that's vertical like I'd planned, I now need one that's hortizonal. What I really need to know is how thick of a charcoal "bed" do I actually need to make sure my cabinet doesn't kick skunky air. Mind you part of the cabinet will be used to dry/cure AND I like to go with stinky based indicia based strains.
My orginal thoughts was to use 1/2"thick x 4"wide trim boards to make the scrubber frame. But I have concerns that if I make it too thick it'll put a strain on the fan's motor and burning it out. I need to find that "goldie lox" size, not to big and burn out the fan or get proper ventilation, not too small and my house smells like I'm breeding skunks as a hobby. Suggestions?
Thanks,
Jax
jasonk
Member
Hey everyone!
I know it's not quite a 150W, but I figured I could get them going in the veg cab first. This cab will soon hopefully be used for moms, clones and a few weeks of veg. I'm soon building a bigger flowering cab outside on my patio to my attempt at a perpetual grow going.
I have 3 random mix seeds started in there right now, 2 weeks from seed. Here are the 2 healthy looking ones.
A quick question for the pros out there. From what I've read yellowing and browning of the leave tips could be a N deficiency? Is that what one of my babies is showing? I have only fed water and a half dose of 5-1-1 fish emulsion so far about 4 days ago. Temperatures are around 78-83.
Also, I just put some kush cuttings in my bubbler system yesterday. 2 of them were from very weak small branches, but I have high hopes of the 2 bigger ones! My first actual attempt at this too, so my fingers are crossed!
Thanks!
I know it's not quite a 150W, but I figured I could get them going in the veg cab first. This cab will soon hopefully be used for moms, clones and a few weeks of veg. I'm soon building a bigger flowering cab outside on my patio to my attempt at a perpetual grow going.
I have 3 random mix seeds started in there right now, 2 weeks from seed. Here are the 2 healthy looking ones.
A quick question for the pros out there. From what I've read yellowing and browning of the leave tips could be a N deficiency? Is that what one of my babies is showing? I have only fed water and a half dose of 5-1-1 fish emulsion so far about 4 days ago. Temperatures are around 78-83.
Also, I just put some kush cuttings in my bubbler system yesterday. 2 of them were from very weak small branches, but I have high hopes of the 2 bigger ones! My first actual attempt at this too, so my fingers are crossed!
Thanks!
hempknowsis
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How much heat does a 150 put off? I've had plenty of sucess with cfl's but I might as well just stick one bulb in there that uses less power, and I dont' need the plants to be within 2-3 inches to be effective. Would a 150 put off less heat in the same small cab as say 200 watts of cfls?
What makes a 150hps cool (pun intended) is you can throw a pc fan on it to help the temps. Never used 200 watts of CFLs but IMO you'll get better penetration with hps. 100cfm exhaust, (give or take depending on scrubber size) proper passive intake and a fan on the bulb can get temps as low as 6 degrees above ambient in my experience.
hempknowsis
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Thanks disco
Very cool...(doh, another pun). Sounds like what I'm dealing with now. I just have a 4inch PC fan for exhaust and passive intakes and it works fine.
Alright one more question. Where's currently the cheapest place to get the bulb and ballast? I thought I read the place everyone used to get the 150 DIY setup doesn't carry it anymore?
There are several options. Ebay has 150w hps kits (minus the bulb.) Couldn't tell ya about the quality though. That's probably the cheapest option unless you can find kits through a distributor.
E-conolight.com doesn't sell the $20 no holla anymore. They have a security light for about $52.00 +ship the best I remember. It comes with a bulb and the quality is good. Easy to disassemble and remote. Lowes sells something just like it under the Sentry brand. Don't know the price. I'm sure HD has em as well. Bulbs are $5 to $10 each, depending where you get em.
Hi Tech Garden Supply has a bitchin remote with hood included for about $80.00 +ship.
E-conolight.com doesn't sell the $20 no holla anymore. They have a security light for about $52.00 +ship the best I remember. It comes with a bulb and the quality is good. Easy to disassemble and remote. Lowes sells something just like it under the Sentry brand. Don't know the price. I'm sure HD has em as well. Bulbs are $5 to $10 each, depending where you get em.
Hi Tech Garden Supply has a bitchin remote with hood included for about $80.00 +ship.
Just my 2 pfennig, jaxom...
If you build a scrubber, build the ones that are identical to the can filters you can buy. If smell is any issue at all, nothing else is really an option. I'd use a 6" into 8" size.
Get a decent fan...a 6" fan...any fan...and forget about rigging bathroom fans. They will work, but if you have the opportunity to do this thing right, let's do it right. I'd suggest trying the Stanley DIY if coin is low, but stay 6".
Most of us that can, WILL go bigger than a 150 at some point. I suggest looking at the $80 model that Disco recommended, as it can be upgraded to a 250 or 400 to maximize your box' potential.(I'm talkin reflector and cord)
Holler if you need any help at all.
hempknowsis,
I have both a box with a 150 hps and my veg box is 150 CFL. No comparison the hps is hotter, but easily manageable with very little CFM. My 150 hps box gets cooled with a 6" suncourt inline only.
If you build a scrubber, build the ones that are identical to the can filters you can buy. If smell is any issue at all, nothing else is really an option. I'd use a 6" into 8" size.
Get a decent fan...a 6" fan...any fan...and forget about rigging bathroom fans. They will work, but if you have the opportunity to do this thing right, let's do it right. I'd suggest trying the Stanley DIY if coin is low, but stay 6".
Most of us that can, WILL go bigger than a 150 at some point. I suggest looking at the $80 model that Disco recommended, as it can be upgraded to a 250 or 400 to maximize your box' potential.(I'm talkin reflector and cord)
Holler if you need any help at all.
hempknowsis,
I have both a box with a 150 hps and my veg box is 150 CFL. No comparison the hps is hotter, but easily manageable with very little CFM. My 150 hps box gets cooled with a 6" suncourt inline only.
hoosier's right. Don't scrimp yer scrubber. I went to all the trouble to build this 24/7/365 machine but I built a mini-scrubber. It takes care of the smell most of the time but "most" sucks in this case.
I doubt I will ever go larger again. I use to grow commercial using 1000w hps/mh and flos sog style. One child later and you begin to rethink the "attention" a larger grow will draw. So for me I don't need an huge system. I do need to stay stealthy though.
The reason the Panasonic Whisper series appeals to me is that the 380cfm unit I'm looking at only emits 3.0 somes of noise. That's lower then a human whisper. You get down to a smaller 80-100cfm units for smaller cabinets you're talking 1.0 somes! The hum from the ballast will be louder then these units.
I understand that can carbon filters do work, if they didn't folks wouldn't buy them. I just don't want a huge can sitting outside my cabinet. And I won't have the room to jam it inside. This why I think using (what was that guys name again from hawaii?) concept of a box filter filled with activated charcoal. Just chalk this one up to personal preference that I want to use this style filter. And since this will now not be in a living area like where I had intend to have a spare "dresser" in my master attic bedroom, it will now be stuffed in the basement workshop. So I will definetly be jamming an ozone generator in the box as well.
I did have a change of plans since I posted. I started to think, if my ballast is in this same area and I have the filter right above the vent to the flower chamber, there would be no air circulation around the ballast. So I'm going to go back to my orginal idea of mounting the filter vertically. I can then mount the fan at one end of the box's top, pulling the air in and over/around the ballast and then through the filter and then out the back.
For the filter, I'm gonna go with 2'tall x 2' long and 4" thick, unless I hear otherwise, I think that should be plenty of activated charcoal to do the job.
The reason the Panasonic Whisper series appeals to me is that the 380cfm unit I'm looking at only emits 3.0 somes of noise. That's lower then a human whisper. You get down to a smaller 80-100cfm units for smaller cabinets you're talking 1.0 somes! The hum from the ballast will be louder then these units.
I understand that can carbon filters do work, if they didn't folks wouldn't buy them. I just don't want a huge can sitting outside my cabinet. And I won't have the room to jam it inside. This why I think using (what was that guys name again from hawaii?) concept of a box filter filled with activated charcoal. Just chalk this one up to personal preference that I want to use this style filter. And since this will now not be in a living area like where I had intend to have a spare "dresser" in my master attic bedroom, it will now be stuffed in the basement workshop. So I will definetly be jamming an ozone generator in the box as well.
I did have a change of plans since I posted. I started to think, if my ballast is in this same area and I have the filter right above the vent to the flower chamber, there would be no air circulation around the ballast. So I'm going to go back to my orginal idea of mounting the filter vertically. I can then mount the fan at one end of the box's top, pulling the air in and over/around the ballast and then through the filter and then out the back.
For the filter, I'm gonna go with 2'tall x 2' long and 4" thick, unless I hear otherwise, I think that should be plenty of activated charcoal to do the job.
also any ones thoughts on bangin a 150 in this?
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The unit I built from HomedePot cost me about $50...so I am with you. I'll buy the next one. Although if $15 bucks makes a difference, my filter is just as nice as the Can filter and works exactly alike.
Hey Jaxom,
I use a 80CFM Whisper for my 150w and it is rated at 0.3 sones. I wouldn't say its quiter than my el-cheapo ballast, but I'm confidant there is no other product that does what it does. My computer is loud enough it drowns the cab out. In fact.. I tested a 120mm 110CFM PC fan under volted to what I guess is 80CFM and it is much louder than the Whisper. The PC fan gives out a higher frequency pitch that is much more noticably.
I use a 80CFM Whisper for my 150w and it is rated at 0.3 sones. I wouldn't say its quiter than my el-cheapo ballast, but I'm confidant there is no other product that does what it does. My computer is loud enough it drowns the cab out. In fact.. I tested a 120mm 110CFM PC fan under volted to what I guess is 80CFM and it is much louder than the Whisper. The PC fan gives out a higher frequency pitch that is much more noticably.
It's actually about as loud as a plane flying overhead.
1 Sone = 40db. That's about as loud as a 4" centrifugal on full speed. Pretty loud.
Typical 150 hps setups use 150 cfm or less. Why such a big fan?
The 80cfm dc whisper fan Bulenath uses is .3 Sones.
It's about a foot square and has an inch or two carbon.
I hope the og doesn't rust your steel tools.
Two feet tall and two feet long is probably big enough for your old 1000 watter. Not sure if 380 cfm would pull through 4" of carbon or not.
