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Jnugg

Jnugg

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Been toying around with the idea of getting a better inline centrifugal that my 4" 172cfm EcoPlus Inline centrifugal exhuast fan.

I have found no information anywhere for Static Pressure with the EcoPlus,Can Fan.Vortex,Elicient,or hurricane fans or the cheap ones available now.

S&P has specifications for all their inline fans and I'm impressed with the handling of their Power Vent series of Inline centrifugals.....

S&P PV Inline Centrifugal Spec. Sheet

TAKE A LOOK AT THAT!

The 6" PV-150X is rated 438cfm @ 0"sp 335cfm @ 0.5"sp 240cfm @ 1" sp 161cfm @ 1.5"sp!!!!Max sp rated 2.29"!!!!

They do however seem to run a bit of power but that's ok @ 149w for that powerful of a fan!

Now,consider I'll be trying to use a 6" 400w cooltube,a carbon filter and minimal duct runs.

I plan to build or buy a carbon filter.Air flow will be set up as outside air > carbon filter > minimal run of duct > cooltube > minimal run of duct > insulated fan box > minimum run of exhuast duct > outside air...all trying to use no more than 45 degree bends in the ducting from carbon filter to cooltube and cooltube to fan box and to the outside.

Hypothetically how much pressure loss or sp do you think I would experience?

Also how does one match a carbon filter to his airflow needs?

The 4" 172cfm I have had the past few years works at cooling the light and supplying fresh air/exhuasting hot stale air but I never could figure out what size carbon filter I would need to use to assure minimal if any pressure loss while still giving the exhaust air enough contact time with the carbon.
 
FreezerBoy

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I love my S&P but, I have greater stealth requirements because I hide in plain sight. If noise was not an issue, stick with inlines. The S&P can NOT compete with a quality inline for pulling power.
 
Jnugg

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FreezerBoy said:
I love my S&P but, I have greater stealth requirements because I hide in plain sight. If noise was not an issue, stick with inlines. The S&P can NOT compete with a quality inline for pulling power.
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What do you think about their (Soler & Palau) inline centrifugal's,ie;Power Vent series vs Can Fan.
 
FreezerBoy

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Haven't tried them. I have the TD100x mixed vent. I started with an inline from Elicent as it was the quietest inline availabe. Nothing I did make it acceptable for hide in plain sight stealth. Had stealth not been an issue, I'd have gone Vortex for the 10 year warranty. I'd think any "name brand" will do: Vortex, Elicent, CanFan, S&P. Personally, I'd avoid the "too good to be true" bargain brands you've never heard of.
 
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fatcat666

guys , i always hear about people talking about inlines like they are different from exhaust fans... im confused ive been using them for ages but i still dont know the difference, i've got a bunch canfan, s&p, and they all are "exhaust fans" to me. whats an inline????
 
Desert Dan

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Freezerboy,

I am rolling the td-100 in my 150w cab on the lowest setting... It is quiet enough however, the air is passing through my carbon filter too fast and when I turn the fan down with a speed control it is louder than when on its highest setting... Do you have any tips?
 
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Desert_Dan - The problem is your speed controller technology. It's nothing you can avoid aside from maybe trying a more expensive solid state speed controller. I haven't seen anyone verify they work with the S&Ps though.

My tip if you want the ultimate in stealth is to switch to the Panasonic Whisper series. The Whispers can move just as much air effectively through filters and is quieter, but I can't say by how much. What I can say is that my 80CFM variable DC Whisper is quieter than a 12V 120mm Fan dialed down to about 60-80CFM. The PC fans create a much louder high frequency noise that the Whisper does not. The down side to the Whisper is its design is a little strange.
 
FreezerBoy

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fatcat666 said:
guys , i always hear about people talking about inlines like they are different from exhaust fans... im confused ive been using them for ages but i still dont know the difference, i've got a bunch canfan, s&p, and they all are "exhaust fans" to me. whats an inline????
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Apologies for my sloppy use of the word inline. Any fan that removes air from the cab is an exhaust fan. An inline is a fan that can be placed in the line, the air doesn't change direction. A better word for inline as I used it in reference above to Vortex and Elicent would be "Centrifugal". An S&P is inline but it's type is a "Mixed Vent." Other types include "Squirrel Cage" such as Dayton and "Axial" fans such as computer fans.

Axials are the quietest and move the most air .... until you add back pressure and they become kinda useless. Centrifugals are ear bleeding loud and move very little air ... until you add back pressure and then they pump it out like no other fan. Mixed Vent is the baby bear. As long as there's not too much back pressure, they're not too weak or too loud.



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Desert Dan said:
Freezerboy,

I am rolling the td-100 in my 150w cab on the lowest setting... It is quiet enough however, the air is passing through my carbon filter too fast and when I turn the fan down with a speed control it is louder than when on its highest setting... Do you have any tips?
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Too fast? Do you mean smell is escaping or it's too loud? A thicker carbon bed in your scrubber will help with either. Additional ducting will help with the latter and should be tried first. It's easier to do and, it with a thicker scrubber may be too much, forcing you to the higher speed setting.
 
Desert Dan

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Freezerboy & Catman,

I am in a small cab so a new fan is not an option... I am pulling air through a cool tube and pushing through an 18" active air carbon filter with 2.5 inches of carbon... I recently tested the filter by burning a stick of incense in front of the cool tube and I could smell it coming out of the filter... I guess that their is not enough contact with the carbon... I can't add more carbon... Is it true that a shoddy speed controller could cause excess noise?
 
FreezerBoy

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Sounds like the fan is overpowering the scrubber. I'm surprised as my TD 100X at 100 cfm is seriously strained by 1" thick carbon which killed a rather stinky plant's aroma completely. If there's space, perhaps an additional loop of ducting between tube and scrubber?

I know enough to say that speed controls and fans need to be matched, they come in different types and mis-matched types can indeed increase noise level. Where to go from there ... I don't know.
 
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fatcat666

thanks freezerboy

i guess ive been using mixed vents all along
 
richirich_99

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i have a s&p td-125 and love it. I have mine running on the high setting because of summer temps and i can kill the noise with a box fan running in the room with it. I think that the s&p fans are great!
 
Tanuvan

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I too am an S&P fan (pun intended). These fans are outstanding when stealth is a concern. I had a Can fan;the noise and vibration from that fan was just too much.
 
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MTRUM75

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Does anybody here have any experience using any of the larger S&P TD series fans, in particular the TD-200x used with a CanFilter 33. I did see a thread with a large cabinet but the thread never was completed.
 
jerrymcginnis

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My apologies for bumping an old thread but I feel I have some valuable input.

I just ordered a 12" S&P inline fan, hasn't arrived yet.
I made my decision based on price, wattage, features and decibel(sound) rating.

The S&P was $50 more than the 12" vortex (not the HUGE 12", the regular 12")
The S&P was 75 watts less than the 12" vortex (suffers slightly on CFM, though not that much)
The S&P can be wired for 2 different speeds, is removable from its housing
The S&P was advertised in manufacturers specs as at least 15-20 dB quieter than the Vortex

Can't wait to get it, I will report on my satisfaction with the fan.
 
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desert fox

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Hey desert Dan you can run the S&P mixvents of a the fantech speed controllers WC15. I was able to make it quieter just at night time so I could sleep. Since my new setup is much quieter due to bungee chords I have remove the WC15 controller.

I do like my S&P it is quiet and also assembled well. Its good quality stuff. The PV series looks very nice. I have not seen them in action however the mix vent is a very good design and supper quiet.
 
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