Fungal tea - Foliar application?

[neongreen]

I'm about to deploy a fungal tea (my first attempt at a fungal dominated tea), and I was originally going to only use as a root drench, but I am now wondering if it could also be applied via a foliar spray? Is there any benefit?

Ingredients used were, some EWCs from my own worm bin, soil samples collected locally, soy sauce, and water that had been used to cook spaghetti.

It had a nice froth on it after about 14 hours brewing

 

[maryjohn]

soil drench only is the standard thing to do. Not sure why, but that's what I've been told and done.

I only use them on perennials, btw, also because of what I've been told, but I don't know the reason why.

 

[neongreen]

Thanks mj. Soil drench it is then!

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Fungi veg foliars are fine - good guys eat bad stuff.

Go Mellow

 

[maryjohn]

hey tac, is there a reason? i'm not saying you are wrong, but maybe you know why I was told only to do soil drench with my roses etc...? I think it was on a radio call in show and the topic was teas.

the tea described was made using compost from a pile that is almost all brown stuff.

 

[Bass Akwards]

Simplistic Jibby-Talk

Simplistic Jibby-Talk

Fungi veg foliars are fine - good guys eat bad stuff.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Would you please name a few of these "good guys"?

Where did this "bad stuff" come from in the first place?

Please be specific.

Exactly what benefits are conferred by spraying with bacteria/fungal tea?

Name the "toxins" it removes. Name the "pathogens" it eliminates.

Quantify any speed in growth or size of yield.

No cut & paste platitudes from "true believers" allowed.

Cite published research from peer-reviewed / refereed journals.

If your CV reflects formal training, feel free to pull rank.

Otherwise, spare us the hot-air & smoke-rings.

 

[Microbeman]

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Would you please name a few of these "good guys"?

Where did this "bad stuff" come from in the first place?

Please be specific.

Exactly what benefits are conferred by spraying with bacteria/fungal tea?

Name the "toxins" it removes. Name the "pathogens" it eliminates.

Quantify any speed in growth or size of yield.

No cut & paste platitudes from "true believers" allowed.

Cite published research from peer-reviewed / refereed journals.

If your CV reflects formal training, feel free to pull rank.

Otherwise, spare us the hot-air & smoke-rings.

Although I agree that this is a simplistic nonsensical statement, I did not notice the author making any references to toxins and all the other items you asked for peer reviewed literature on.

I do question your motivation in posing these questions. Certainly it is not to truly learn because I've never received that email from you seeking peer reveiwed literature on the subject which I offered previously. One can only conclude that you are motivated by a need to stir up angst and therefore might be catagorized as an Internet troll.

Additionally, your question posed which asks where 'bad stuff' comes from is so juvenile as to make me wonder just what bubble you live in.

 

[maryjohn]

hey microbe,

what's the deal with fungal teas/compost vs. bacterial (noting there is some of each in the other)?

I haven't been keeping a "fungal pile" these days, because I refuse to take care of my ungrateful landlady's perennials. Should I be keeping a fungal pile for my annual crops?

 

[Bass Akwards]

Hallowed Hogwash ...

Hallowed Hogwash ...

I do question your motivation in posing these questions. Certainly it is not to truly learn because I've never received that email from you seeking peer reveiwed ( sic ) literature on the subject which I offered previously

Here to "truly learn"?

Nah, I'm just here for shits and grins!

If the research you cite is solid, post it.

Why "slide it under the door" by using a PM?

La-de-dah-hippie-dippy-horse-shit grow-schemes are dime a dozen.

They've been a recurrent virus, and a standing joke, for over thirty years.

( After all, they're still selling "Phototrons" aren't they? )

Additionally, your question posed which asks where 'bad stuff' comes from is so juvenile as to make me wonder just what bubble you live in.

Would you care to answer the question?

That pious pontificator up North in Stickey-ville never bothered to answer that question either. ( The claim came directly from the first page of his thread, as copied directly from the first page of his web-site that sells compost tea brewing machines. )

If the question is so "juvenile", then the answer should be easy for you.

Here are the relevant url's:

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda .../Literature files/Compost tea references.html

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda ...yths_files/Myths/magazine pdfs/CompostTea.pdf

Here are the citations from peer-reviewed/refereed journals that fail to support most claims made for beneficial use of compost teas.

The blithering bumbler up North called these cites "garbage", but he failed to cite any "basis of knowledge " ... a CV, or any other qualification. If he has ever published any scientific article, in a peer-reviewed journal, he conveniently forgot to mention it.

Literature on Compost Tea and Disease Suppression
Compiled by Dr. Linda Chalker-Scott, PhD
Associate Professor and Extension Urban Horticulturist, WSU Puyallup

REFEREED, SCIENTIFIC PUBLICATIONS

COMPOST EFFECTS ON DISEASE SUPPRESSION

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COMPOST TEA LITERATURE REVIEWS

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ANAEROBIC COMPOST TEA (NCT) & DISEASE CONTROL

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AEROBIC COMPOST TEA (ACT) & DISEASE CONTROL

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[maryjohn]

dude, I think you have diarrhea

 

[Tactical Farmer]

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Would you please name a few of these "good guys"?

Where did this "bad stuff" come from in the first place?

Please be specific.

Exactly what benefits are conferred by spraying with bacteria/fungal tea?

Name the "toxins" it removes. Name the "pathogens" it eliminates.

Quantify any speed in growth or size of yield.

No cut & paste platitudes from "true believers" allowed.

Cite published research from peer-reviewed / refereed journals.

If your CV reflects formal training, feel free to pull rank.

Otherwise, spare us the hot-air & smoke-rings.

______________________________________________________

Someone was born with a small dick.

Alright Dude - Ill give ya some real world info first.

Ive for years had issues with mildew spots growing on walls in a small underground concrete basement closet "moisture city"

Besides all the standard ways to fight it I researched & found that in the same way beneficial organisms that help the roots help the leaves in the same way. Started adding my Bio Fungicide spary to leaves to build up a defense & its no longer an issue anymore.

Piranha, Tarantula, and Scorpion Juice can be combined together into one spray, and is an effective foliar spray against fungi that attack plant foliage. (i.e.. Pythium spp., Rhizoctania solani, Fusarium spp., Botrytis cinerea (bud rot), Sclerotium rolfsii, and Sclerotinia homoeocarpa). if these problems develop or are likely to develop you can give a foliar spraying as an active defense. Piranha is a Yield Enhancer and Bio Fungicide. One of the fungi in Piranha (Trichodermia) is one of the most aggressive colonizers of any known beneficial fungi...and will rapidly expand once they take hold. As with any foliar application, the further into flower you go, the less you should spray your plants. Even if spraying with a beneficial fungi.You are still delivering far more water than product. If you do not want to foliar spray you can apply some dry powdered Piranha, directly on a mold infected portion of bud, to stopped the mold from spreading through the rest of the buds on the branch. Anywhere you need to remove plant material "paint on" a dab of pure powder where you cut.This will stop the juices from the fresh cut from acting as a nutrient for mold, etc. and stop the further spread on that section.

Piranha, Tarantula... Once mixed into your foliar bottle...about 48 hours,and you should start fresh

Advanced Nutrients - probably the biggest experimental company in the world in these areas.

Thats about all the time im willing to give your silly questions.

 

[Microbeman]

'Bad stuff' is everywhere; your skin, your refrigerator, the air, water, the soil. Yin & Yang. BTW, the reviewed (& unreviewed) literature I am willing to apprise you of are specific to microbial interactions related to plant growth; mycorrhizal helper bacteria/archaea, helper fungi, chemical messages passed, nutrient cycling, etc. and not so specific to CT as you seem to think I have asserted. It has been repeated to you that CT is a tool in a program and a damn good one. It is just a logical progression that if positive effective microbes are extracted, multiplied (in proportional numbers) and applied to soil/plants, the benefits observed in studies are likely acerbated (especially in a transition stage). Also, I specifically said not by PM but by email.

 

[Bass Akwards]

Just for the record ...

Just for the record ...

Ive for years had issues with mildew spots growing on walls in a small underground concrete basement closet "moisture city"
Besides all the standard ways to fight it I researched & found that in the same way beneficial organisms that help the roots help the leaves in the same way

Just for the record, did those "standard ways" include running a de-humidifier in the space to lower the humidity and keep it there?

Dumping condensed water on the plants re-cycles it, over and over.

No matter how it has to be "jig-rigged", the space would produce more, and have fewer hassles, if it had better ventilation.

 

[maryjohn]

we aren't talking about closet ventilation, are we? Ventilation is not always possible (as in an orchard that gets moist cool windless nights), and he only used the situation as an example of one microorganism killing, eating, displacing or precluding another.

Remember that drug called penicillin? Some dude observed the effect that particular mold had on bacteria. Ever wonder why cheese and yogurt are even possible? Why don't harmful bacteria show up during fermentation and aging? It certainly isn't sterile.

So the basic idea of one microorganism displacing another is not strange. All that's left to discuss, hopefully in another thread that is not asking for practical advice so you don't waste everybody's time, is whether or not ACT accomplishes that on the leaf surface. That would be a valid discussion. This one - it's just you trolling.