Not 100%, but i would say since that fact that the coco has no real nutritional properties like soil.
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dongle69
I just got about 11 pounds of "mud" from watering straight coco 3x daily.
Ebb and flow all the way!
Ebb and flow all the way!
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bombdotcom
I just got about 11 pounds of "mud" from watering straight coco 3x daily.
when you water 3x daily - is it to run-off?
also what is you nutrient regime for bloom and @ wat dosage?
lookin great that pic puts my babies to shame
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dongle69
Ebb and flow...
Check the 6000 watt room link in my sig for all the info...
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YosemiteSam
Congrats Dongle, fantastic grow, fantastic skills.
But...when you are trying to grow roots you do let em dry out a bit, right? The 3x per day is after letting roots get into the pot...or no?
But...when you are trying to grow roots you do let em dry out a bit, right? The 3x per day is after letting roots get into the pot...or no?
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dongle69
Thanks!
Yes, 3x per day when the roots poke out of the bottom of the pot.
I don't let them dry out before then.
I just give them what they need.
My last round was 3x a day all the way through flower.
My first round in that room I transplanted and flipped to 12/12 at the same time, so the first week I only watered twice I think, then it was 3x daily.
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Cozy Amnesia
I've been watering almost every day in 100% for three grows in a row (re-using the coco, too). I say almost everyday because I won't give it water if the top of the coco isn't dried out - but that's just because I'm cheap 
. I didn't know that it was actually doing me some good.
. I didn't know that it was actually doing me some good.the theory is that in a daily watering cycle you eventually wish to replace all the exhausted nutrient thats contained in the medium with fresh stuff. runoff simply lets you know when you've reached that point where the old stuff has been pushed out and the new stuff is ready for the plant to take up
in a hydro grow, this process is constantly happening. the roots are somehow being washed with a consistently fresh batch of nutrients.
in coco, there's apparently a definite relationship between pot size and runoff. but still, a person can grow a tree in a shot glass if they fertigate it often enough.
plants grown with coco will tolerate a MUCH smaller pot/bag than a plant in soil[less] mix. has anyone managed to get a plant in coco, using gh flora nutes, potbound??
im just sayin there seems to be a definite relationship in coco between the frequency/amount of water and the pot size, and smaller seems to be better, unlike a soil[less] grow
im not sayin
im just sayin
thats all im sayin
on edit: i guess my original point was that since the plant needs a finite amount of water in a given day/night cycle, perhaps you only want runoff on the final fertigation of the day , if your pots are that oversized
ya but lower ppm's for coco is better.. because it's coco therefore if you water with lower ppm's and enough for the plant to eat that day, then I don't see how nutes would build up. THe reason for using lower ppm in coco is because it stores more pk... thats why people who use higher nutrient strengths must flush... because you would then get build up.................................................... is my understanding but WHATEVERRRRRRRR
man there is a different opion on everything and using coco is the most forgiving medium there is, I have never had root rot in coco. I have over watered, under watered and all points in between, starting rooted clones or seedlings in cups of coco there is no need to water every day, when that cup starts to fill up with roots you better be watering every day, same goes with bigger pots, when there not full of roots no need to over water, but when that pot is full you better water more, I have found coco will hold nutes and build up ppm counts so I flush with water once a week , my tri meter doesent lie. no flush and the ppm will continue to rise untill your plants are over fed. some plants can handle it but most kush and kush crosses prefer weaker ppms, I have tried drip two to three times a day and come back to hand watering once a day in one gl pots, just what works for me, a friend of mine uses the same pots with catch pans and only waters every other day, to each his own. have to add I know bambam and he rocks his coco grows, I have been friends with Zoo and greyskull and they rock the coco also, all with different methods, who's right???
knna
Member
The main thing because I love coco is because its a very versatile medium. It can be used on several different way sucessfully.
What I dont like is people saying other dont to use this or another way. Specially when they arnt right.
I think that is clear right now for the amount of coco experienced growers that do it, that you can water daily in it, and more, without problems. Some of us are using ebb&flow! I flood the table up 80% of the height of the pot for 15 minutes
Each sustrate have its own physical properties that does it unique, with its own advantages and disadvantages.
About coco, its physical properties mostly determine the ratio air/water in the media, independent of the watering method. Perlite does the same, and if the medium grain size is large enough, the percentage of air never fall below critical levels, no matter how much water you add and how often (well, if you sumerge it...).
Soil is different. Other hydro medias are different. Each one has its own properties. Try do do the same using rockwool and your grow is fucked, the same as in soil.
But we talking about coco, and the fact is you can water it very often without problems, as far as the plant is already stabilished and the coco itself isnt descomposed (old and reused for long). If the coco used is made of very fine particles, adding some perlite helps.
Each medium is different. If you dont know for sure that a given media cant be used on a given way because you havent used it that way, please, dont tell other people it cant be done, or that they should be aware of it's dangerous, etc
What I dont like is people saying other dont to use this or another way. Specially when they arnt right.
I think that is clear right now for the amount of coco experienced growers that do it, that you can water daily in it, and more, without problems. Some of us are using ebb&flow! I flood the table up 80% of the height of the pot for 15 minutes
Each sustrate have its own physical properties that does it unique, with its own advantages and disadvantages.
About coco, its physical properties mostly determine the ratio air/water in the media, independent of the watering method. Perlite does the same, and if the medium grain size is large enough, the percentage of air never fall below critical levels, no matter how much water you add and how often (well, if you sumerge it...).
Soil is different. Other hydro medias are different. Each one has its own properties. Try do do the same using rockwool and your grow is fucked, the same as in soil.
But we talking about coco, and the fact is you can water it very often without problems, as far as the plant is already stabilished and the coco itself isnt descomposed (old and reused for long). If the coco used is made of very fine particles, adding some perlite helps.
Each medium is different. If you dont know for sure that a given media cant be used on a given way because you havent used it that way, please, dont tell other people it cant be done, or that they should be aware of it's dangerous, etc
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bombdotcom
if you plan on growing marijauna in ponds and swamps then i dont think anyone on this earth can help you, or even answer that question no matter which medium you choose.
bambam
Member
Well if you are a noob and or just trying to dial in coco keep a few things clear. This thread can go on for fucking ever with the i do this and i do that. So........
1. Rooting clones dont need to be watered all that much. If you over water at this stage (about the only way to over water in coco from my testing)you can and will run into issues. Let the roots "search" for nutes. Let them spread out and let whatever you root in fill with roots. They will tell you when the are ready to be watered. Hell i root in solo cups and about 1 week into roots you WILL have to water the cups everyday.
2. Vegging plants (i do it in 2gallon pots some of the time i use 3gallons) dont always need to be feed everyday. You will know when you need to feed daily. The coco will dry not from temps but due to massive root systems sucking up the juice. I vegg my plants almost as long as they flower them so my root systems are very established by the time i flip.
Example of my vegging plants that need feeding daily. 2gallon pots If i did bi daily feeds i would suffer yeild issues for sure. Tested it and for me its truth. Test your own and find out 
3.Flower to Full blown Flowering: I feed 2 times daily when the lights are on. Zero watering with lights off. I do this everyday and if did not do this i would have dry pots agian leading to less production. Its that simple. Yes i get a bit of run off and yea it could be a bit more then "required" but it works and keeps nutes in my root zone at all times. I like the fact that my plants can have what they want at any given time.
Example of one of my flowering plants in a 2 gallon pot. I dare you not to water this plant every damn day....Would it kill it? No i dont think so but from my testing i WAY out yeild the every other day schem. The roots in this pot are massive! And they will dry out the pot if given even a bit of a chance to do so.
I hope my info will a bit of peek into how "I" run coco. I do well with it and love the stuff. As we all can see coco can be run 10 million ways. Thats the reason we have soooo many people with soooo many styles and forms of info on it. Just another reason (for me) why coco is the best. It forgives like no other style of groming IMHO. Have a good one guys and keep the info building up and TEST TEST TEST TEST!
1. Rooting clones dont need to be watered all that much. If you over water at this stage (about the only way to over water in coco from my testing)you can and will run into issues. Let the roots "search" for nutes. Let them spread out and let whatever you root in fill with roots. They will tell you when the are ready to be watered. Hell i root in solo cups and about 1 week into roots you WILL have to water the cups everyday.
2. Vegging plants (i do it in 2gallon pots some of the time i use 3gallons) dont always need to be feed everyday. You will know when you need to feed daily. The coco will dry not from temps but due to massive root systems sucking up the juice. I vegg my plants almost as long as they flower them so my root systems are very established by the time i flip.
Example of my vegging plants that need feeding daily. 2gallon pots
If i did bi daily feeds i would suffer yeild issues for sure. Tested it and for me its truth. Test your own and find out 3.Flower to Full blown Flowering: I feed 2 times daily when the lights are on. Zero watering with lights off. I do this everyday and if did not do this i would have dry pots agian leading to less production. Its that simple. Yes i get a bit of run off and yea it could be a bit more then "required" but it works and keeps nutes in my root zone at all times. I like the fact that my plants can have what they want at any given time.
Example of one of my flowering plants in a 2 gallon pot. I dare you not to water this plant every damn day....Would it kill it? No i dont think so but from my testing i WAY out yeild the every other day schem. The roots in this pot are massive! And they will dry out the pot if given even a bit of a chance to do so.
I hope my info will a bit of peek into how "I" run coco. I do well with it and love the stuff. As we all can see coco can be run 10 million ways. Thats the reason we have soooo many people with soooo many styles and forms of info on it. Just another reason (for me) why coco is the best. It forgives like no other style of groming IMHO. Have a good one guys and keep the info building up and TEST TEST TEST TEST!
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bombdotcom
bambam i very much agree, is that pic in full blown flowering from the same plant as the one you showed us in veg @ 2 gallons? btw lookin beuatiful
