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PBwins

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Observations are: leaves have been yellowish white and will not go away but the plant still grows
[FONT=&quot]How long has this problem been going on?[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 6 weeks[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What STRAIN are you growing? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the don[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) seed[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What is the age of your plants? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 weeks[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 week[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
How Tall are the plants? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]about a foot and a half[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? veg[/FONT]
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What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8x8x8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) [/FONT]sta-green potting mix
[FONT=&quot]What Nutrient's are you using? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ferti lome gardeners special 23-18-16[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? 1/4 [/FONT]
teaspoon each gal

[FONT=&quot] *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding? [/FONT]
2 times a week
[FONT=&quot]What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6.2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?[/FONT][FONT=&quot] PH Pen and paper[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
How often are you watering? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 on 1 off[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What size bulb are you using? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 40watt 4 foot halogen for every 4 plants
What is the distance to the canopy?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]5 feet
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]45 to 55[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What is the canopy temperature? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]74-82F[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]72-85F[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) [/FONT]
3 fans moving air and exhaust fan

[FONT=&quot] Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]exhaust fan bringing in new air all day and turned off at night
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]yes[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Is your water HARD or SOFT? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hard [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tap that sits in the same room for 24-48 hours
Are you using water from a water softener? [/FONT]
no[FONT=&quot]
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? [/FONT]
no[FONT=&quot]
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]no[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Are plant's infected with pest's? [/FONT]
no



I dont know what to do i have read everything i can but nothing works help anyone??



 
I

icmag.is.#1

I think you may be over watering. dirt should be almost dry before watering again.

Lack of Iron because of to much water?
 

kushism

Member
to me the white on the leaves is a sign of magnesium deficiency..

MAGNESIUM (Mg)
leaves yellow and may even turn white while veins remain dark green. Blades die and curl upward. add cal-mag or follow the advice below

10k said:
Maybe your plants are just mg whores and need a bump with an added 1/8th teaspoon (per gallon) epsom salts, the initial fast fix here.

Hope it helps
 

PBwins

New member
to me the white on the leaves is a sign of magnesium deficiency..

MAGNESIUM (Mg)
leaves yellow and may even turn white while veins remain dark green. Blades die and curl upward. add cal-mag or follow the advice below



Hope it helps



well from what i was reading this is what i thought but i have been adding epsom salt for 2 weeks now and nothing

Should be mixing more thin one tablespoon per gal?
 
C

CheifnBud2

hard water puts salts in your soil.

Calcium Chloride locks out magnesium.

plants dont like too much salts or calcium.
 

Core

Quality Control Controller
ICMag Donor
Veteran
if i where you i just check you soils ph and not the runoff!...then you can rule that out and we can take a look at your Modus Operandus.
coz this ain't a Mag/cal prob!
 

PBwins

New member
The PH on the 3 worst are between 6.6 and 6.4 all my plants were planted in the same soil and all are given the same nutrients all with the same water, but about half are doing just fine and the other have have been growing like this.
 
T

TheMintMan

Definitely sulfur or iron deficiency. Regardless of which, you need to make sure the fertilizer you're using has enough of the appropriate micronutrients. Most of the time you don't need to treat a specific micro deficiency because a good general purpose will cover most things...except when you've got a MG hog...but this doesn't look like a magnesium problem to me.

PBwins said:
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? 1/4 teaspoon each gal

You may just need to increase that a bit.

PBwins said:
The PH on the 3 worst are between 6.6 and 6.4...

If your pH drifts above 6.5 an iron deficiency is one of the first things you'll see.

PBwins said:
Should be mixing more thin one tablespoon per gal?

Of epsom salt? No. Never.
 

PBwins

New member
well i just ordered some Earth Juice Microblast, so if it is sulfur,iron, or magnesium this this should help right? is there anyone super micronutrient i should try?
 
T

TheMintMan

This is an analysis of what you have: http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=2067

And this is an example that's closer to what you should have(Fox Farm Tiger Bloom): http://agr.wa.gov/pestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=3497

Note that the ferti-lome lacks many important micronutrients. Either get yourself a decent micro additive, or get a better fertilizer.

PBwins said:
well i just ordered some Earth Juice Microblast, so if it is sulfur,iron, or magnesium this this should help right? is there anyone super micronutrient i should try?

That should do the trick. Later on down the road if you start noticing a MG deficiency, add a tsp of epsom salt. MG is the micronute that is closest to being a primary. See how things go with that EJ Microblast first though.
 

tree&leaf

Member
I agree with TheMintMan, that's a micro nutrient problem.

I'm not familiar with your soil or nutrient, but those numbers are far too high and either lacking sufficient micros or causing them to be locked out. Other observations that are probably contributing -

If you've just repotted, you shouldn't be feeding, let the plant take what it needs, if the problem persists consider changing your soil.

Your feeding frequency is too high for those numbers. Seriously consider getting a better quality mineral nutrient solution with lower NPK values.

Don't let water stand for that amount of time, the evaporation of chlorine is not important unless your water has excessive levels of it. In allowing chlorine to evaporate you're also allowing all the dissolved oxygen to evaporate with it - roots NEED oxygen.

If chlorine is an issue, allow it to stand but bubble it for a few hours before use to replace the dissolved oxygen.

Your ph is fine - it's not the cause or anything to be concerned about.

It's NOT Mg deficiency.
 
T

TheMintMan

Ah, yes, the Grow Big for veg. For some reason I thought you had already initiated flowering. Tiger Bloom for flower...with the EJ microblast should work well. Just don't over-do it. I have a sneaking suspicion that (although rare) since TB has such a large amount of zinc and the microblast has a good amount as well, that you could end up with a zinc toxicity...which is very bad. You would have to use a lot, but I'm just throwing that out there. Like I said it's very very unlikely.

Do a grow journal and let us know how it all goes eh? :joint:
 
T

TheMintMan

Doh! The links I posted above may have been wrong. If they didn't take you to an analysis of the product you have and Fox Farm Tiger Bloom, check them again. They should be correct now. I think the link keeps changing, but if you go to the website and do a search you can find an analysis of almost any brand fertilizer on the market.
 

Hydro-Soil

Active member
Veteran
I would stop feeding a Tablespoon of Epsom per gallon, if you still are. That's an awful lot of salt. 1/8th teaspoon per gallon is fine, when you know you have a mag deficiency.

Edit: How are they looking now? :)
 

HeadyPete

Take Five...
Veteran
yup, ferts and probably lack of micros in that crappy chemmy fert. those are high numbers and very potent, but not complete fert. Everybody nailed it. No mag problem, ph is good.

I recommend Power Blend Pro for ease and results and organics. PBP and molasses for veg and bloom and maybe an extra like Floralicious plus, top max and/or liquid karma to fatten up the buds.
 
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