How is Sativa and Indica different?
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THCV is the one that interests me most, as it's allegedly the cannabinoid with the highest ceiling, and is almost totally transparent body-wise, but produces a very psychedelic high. Malawi Gold is reputed to be rich in THCV, which is why I grew it out a couple of years ago - I'm sure it would be much better under tropical sun, but it did have a very trippy, if slightly dreamy high - not as cranky as many sativas I've smoked, but very potent and long-lasting.
Actually, that's another interesting thought to ponder - the duration of the high seems generally to be directly proportional to the flowering-time - long-flowering sativas usually produce long-lasting highs and take a long time to build to peak levels, whilst indicas often fade fast, with a quick, intense onset to the high.
Actually, that's another interesting thought to ponder - the duration of the high seems generally to be directly proportional to the flowering-time - long-flowering sativas usually produce long-lasting highs and take a long time to build to peak levels, whilst indicas often fade fast, with a quick, intense onset to the high.
Likely - CBD does modulate the intensity and duration of the effects of THC, so it's possible that strains with a higher ratio of CBD to THC will 'switch off' earlier - so sativas don't necessarily have higher levels of THC (as some indicas have tested very high too), but they have very low levels of CBD, meaning the high is slower to build, lasts longer, and is more 'transparent'.
Of course, this doesn't mean it won't cause very intense experiences - I think many newcomers to sativas often misjudge the high, and can get into some very anxious spaces indeed - without the 'comedown' or 'stoned' effect of CBD, (perceived physically, adding 'solidity' to the high), there's very little for some people to hang onto ego-wise, and they can get quite panicky - I've seen it regularly. I usually quietly drop a bit of hash in the next one...
Of course, this doesn't mean it won't cause very intense experiences - I think many newcomers to sativas often misjudge the high, and can get into some very anxious spaces indeed - without the 'comedown' or 'stoned' effect of CBD, (perceived physically, adding 'solidity' to the high), there's very little for some people to hang onto ego-wise, and they can get quite panicky - I've seen it regularly. I usually quietly drop a bit of hash in the next one...
John goodman
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interesting read EM I have been a casualty of the sativa panicking buzz on many occasion and generally in places out of my comfort zone ...im growing alot of hybrids of late and prefer the toke rather than my inital first love of indicas...whne toking sats at home i get alot done painting garden ..infact cant sit down..I dont smoke sats that often and maybe i should...would you say sats allow you to wake up without that hangover effect....just one of the main reseaons Im thinking about more sat grows,kmisses would prefer it aswell lol,? any experence apprecaited
nice read
nice read
That's party why I like Flo so much, as it's a sativa wrapped in an indica body. It's easy to grow indoors, and will finish outdoors in the UK. And more than that, it's the clearest, most energetic high I've ever experienced. It was JK's description in the Cannabible 1 made me get it, and I totally concur - it's amazing. No anxiety or jitters, smooth upward propulsion, and total clarity.
But it has a psychedelic component that is always lurking, and if you over-indulge, can get you very close to an acid experience - dilated pupils, lateral thinking, visual distortions and everything like that.
A masterpiece, in my book - only the lower yield lets it down, but I'm working on that...
But it has a psychedelic component that is always lurking, and if you over-indulge, can get you very close to an acid experience - dilated pupils, lateral thinking, visual distortions and everything like that.
A masterpiece, in my book - only the lower yield lets it down, but I'm working on that...
Elevator Man, you make me want to try Flo, is that from DJ Short or what? do you think it will adapt to a tropical outdoors?
Some good information here, but I think it's also important to rember that the terms 'sativa' and 'indica' are purely a convention of convenience, and have next to no scientific validity.
OK, as a generalisation one might say that a lowland tropical plant with thin leaves, airy buds and long flowering is a 'sativa', whereas a short, bushy, quick, wide-leaf Afghan is an 'indica'. Others might make the distinction based on whether the weed makes you want to march or flop, but again this is a pretty broad generalisation.
There are some myths in the cuurrent cannabis community (some not totally unfounded) about 'sativas' causing paranoia while 'indicas' cause a euphoric couchlock. In my experience this is quite misleading. The scariest weed I ever smoked was definitely what would be called a full-on indica, and of course, there are loads of easygoing 'sativas'. Growth habit is no guide either. They might not be common in today's established canna scene, but there are several exception to the indica-short / sativa-tall oversimplification.
So perhaps we really should be looking simply at what cannabinoid (/terpenoid) profiles produce what effects, without getting too hidebound in distinctions of pseudo-terms like 'sativa' and 'indica'.
I started a topic on the above subject on another board a while back, but the only thing I managed to establish is that we know next to nothing about it!
(Though we do have tons of entertaining mythology, most of it completely off the wall)
OK, as a generalisation one might say that a lowland tropical plant with thin leaves, airy buds and long flowering is a 'sativa', whereas a short, bushy, quick, wide-leaf Afghan is an 'indica'. Others might make the distinction based on whether the weed makes you want to march or flop, but again this is a pretty broad generalisation.
There are some myths in the cuurrent cannabis community (some not totally unfounded) about 'sativas' causing paranoia while 'indicas' cause a euphoric couchlock. In my experience this is quite misleading. The scariest weed I ever smoked was definitely what would be called a full-on indica, and of course, there are loads of easygoing 'sativas'. Growth habit is no guide either. They might not be common in today's established canna scene, but there are several exception to the indica-short / sativa-tall oversimplification.
So perhaps we really should be looking simply at what cannabinoid (/terpenoid) profiles produce what effects, without getting too hidebound in distinctions of pseudo-terms like 'sativa' and 'indica'.
I started a topic on the above subject on another board a while back, but the only thing I managed to establish is that we know next to nothing about it!
(Though we do have tons of entertaining mythology, most of it completely off the wall)
Some good information here, but I think it's also important to rember that the terms 'sativa' and 'indica' are purely a convention of convenience, and have next to no scientific validity.
OK, as a generalisation one might say that a lowland tropical plant with thin leaves, airy buds and long flowering is a 'sativa', whereas a short, bushy, quick, wide-leaf Afghan is an 'indica'. Others might make the distinction based on whether the weed makes you want to march or flop, but again this is a pretty broad generalisation.
There are some myths in the cuurrent cannabis community (some not totally unfounded) about 'sativas' causing paranoia while 'indicas' cause a euphoric couchlock. In my experience this is quite misleading. The scariest weed I ever smoked was definitely what would be called a full-on indica, and of course, there are loads of easygoing 'sativas'. Growth habit is no guide either. They might not be common in today's established canna scene, but there are several exception to the indica-short / sativa-tall oversimplification.
So perhaps we really should be looking simply at what cannabinoid (/terpenoid) profiles produce what effects, without getting too hidebound in distinctions of pseudo-terms like 'sativa' and 'indica'.
I started a topic on the above subject on another board a while back, but the only thing I managed to establish is that we know next to nothing about it!
(Though we do have tons of entertaining mythology, most of it completely off the wall)
this is a very good post, although I would say that stating that sativas are equatorial lowlands is also misleading, there are many highland sativas, tropical as well as non-tropical, and there are many fast flowering sativas too, like lesotho sativa for example.
i would also add that if one is growing in the equator/tropics outdoors, the sativa/indica classification can be used to distinguish growth patterns and usually also leaf-size. growth pattern for what one would call sativas is that they usually branch out and have thinner leaves, while what could be considered indica will be a single cola columnar plant with fatter leaves.
but also, there is truth to the ratios in which cannabinoid interact with each other in each particular cannabinoid profile, and the habit as of now is to call indicas those with a certain cannabinoid profile while sativas a different thing; and profiles vary enough between them so that there is a need to classify them somehow, because some are more useful than others in terms of medical uses etc... this way it becomes easier to identify and apply
endlesssummer
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I think there's a lot of confusion when it comes to naming cannabis plants..
and about indicas being single cola columnar plants, I think that has to do mostly with the little amount of veg time most of these plants get when grown indoor, outdoors they can grow to be very tall and bushy. but it's true that sativas are usually more elongated than indicas and not as leafy.
so many people describe plants by their perceived psychoactive effects.. up = sativa , down = indica. Terpenes have to play a huge role in the effects of cannabis.. for example, myrcene, which is present in greater quantity than other terpenoids reduces sensitivity to painful stimuli ( antinociceptive )
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&therow=596007
and also pinene is converted to myrcene when heated, that's why peppery/piney indicas have such a body load, due to pinene, myrcene and caryophyllene.
I don't know what nomenclature we should be using but at the extremes I think the difference between indicas and sativas are clearer.
and please none of that putative rasta cannabis shit we saw a couple of years ago..
and about indicas being single cola columnar plants, I think that has to do mostly with the little amount of veg time most of these plants get when grown indoor, outdoors they can grow to be very tall and bushy. but it's true that sativas are usually more elongated than indicas and not as leafy.
so many people describe plants by their perceived psychoactive effects.. up = sativa , down = indica. Terpenes have to play a huge role in the effects of cannabis.. for example, myrcene, which is present in greater quantity than other terpenoids reduces sensitivity to painful stimuli ( antinociceptive )
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&therow=596007
and also pinene is converted to myrcene when heated, that's why peppery/piney indicas have such a body load, due to pinene, myrcene and caryophyllene.
I don't know what nomenclature we should be using but at the extremes I think the difference between indicas and sativas are clearer.
and please none of that putative rasta cannabis shit we saw a couple of years ago..
i said indicas grown outdoors in the equator/tropics, due to the 12/12 photopheriod.
paz
endlesssummer
Member
I just meant in general, I see a lot of single cola columnar descriptions for indicas, when most people grow them indoors.. which would be similar to what you described.
It's true that sativas usually stretch more than any indica I've seen.. but I'm convinced the line isn't that clear cut.
Hi Elevator Man,
Have you any citations/sources for that?
I hear so much totally conflicting information these days... it's depressing LOL
Hell I want to try flo too. I mostly like indica's/hybrids, I find if you pick them a little early the high is much better without the lagging/hangover the next day. If your looking for a knockout, let em go 30-40 amber and you'll be in lala land. I've flowered out a few sativa's, will be working with a few for some future cross's.... one being Paraguay sativa.
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elmanito
The difference between the indica and the sativa is in the genes.All most of the sativa's have only the Bt/allele which means that they only produce THC and there are some sativa's like from Ghana, South-Africa that produce besides THC also THCV.Most of the indica's have a Bt/Bd allele which means they produce THC as well CBD.The ratio's can be different from 2:1, 1:1 to 1:2.
Another important thing is the terpene profile.The sativa's has more top tones terpenes while the indica has more base tones terpenes which have also a different impact on the high.
Namaste
Another important thing is the terpene profile.The sativa's has more top tones terpenes while the indica has more base tones terpenes which have also a different impact on the high.
Namaste
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ElectroSticky
hell yeah .. terpene profile is the SHIT!!!
i mostly like sativas that have a high smell , taste , im talking TASTY° .... those i like ...
sativas with a mild taste i dont care much for .... plus ... i dont really get that "super head high " every1 talks about ...
and i know indicas get me High
so imo ... sativas are good helping indicas get better ... hahahaha and for the ocational group joint ...
im sorry if my post tickles any sativa lovers out there .. its just how i feel ...
i mostly like sativas that have a high smell , taste , im talking TASTY° .... those i like ...
sativas with a mild taste i dont care much for .... plus ... i dont really get that "super head high " every1 talks about ...
and i know indicas get me High
so imo ... sativas are good helping indicas get better ... hahahaha and for the ocational group joint ...
im sorry if my post tickles any sativa lovers out there .. its just how i feel ...
Jacky Treehorn
New member
I think some people are hitting the surface of this question. Pharmacology of all the different psychoactive chemicals/resins/terpenes is probably going to be tough to really decipher especially when each plant has a different ratio. We know in general what THC/CBN/CBD ratios can do to the effect, but it's incredible the amount of variability that can be had when considering other terpenes. Selective breeding of this plant has really created diversity, something that could be a pharmacological field day for medical use.
