So, ya, hypothetically speaking... if i had 2 18 gallon DWC's with a GH air pump with 2 air stones per. And a 1000 watt over that in a 3x2.5 ft closet... hypothetically using flora nova nutrients and 6 plants hypothetically eacg being: blue mystic, master kush, and bbxnl . Think that person would run into any problems when they cull the males and have difficulty separating the roots? I think they might try to take clones flower asap, and therfore hopefully not have to big of a male root structure. But, said hypothetical situation is probably doing well if it was previously started, which it hasn't cough. But whatchu think those old roots wont rot will they?
Seed plants collectively in a tub?
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A 1K is overkill; 133 wsf. 400 would be more appropriate to that space.
If you go 12/12 asap your, plan works. I've done it myself. Veg to 4 internodes. Top just above the bottom internode. Root the top and flip the light on the donor (you may want to give the donor a week to recover) when the donors sex, cull males and their cuts. I used a pump filter bag as a root condom to help keep roots apart. See my homemade netcups? Bad idea, don't do it.
If you mix strains in the same tub try to match flowering periods or you'll have to deal with tangling at the end. There are root eating products out there but, I've never played with them.
If you go 12/12 asap your, plan works. I've done it myself. Veg to 4 internodes. Top just above the bottom internode. Root the top and flip the light on the donor (you may want to give the donor a week to recover) when the donors sex, cull males and their cuts. I used a pump filter bag as a root condom to help keep roots apart. See my homemade netcups? Bad idea, don't do it.
If you mix strains in the same tub try to match flowering periods or you'll have to deal with tangling at the end. There are root eating products out there but, I've never played with them.
Thanks freezerboy, appreciate the input, think im gonna take hypothetical clones tamarrow and switch to flower in a week. But.... I dispute that a 1000 watt is overkill, if properly cooled i think its perfectly fine. hypothetically would be using a TD-150x for cooling, through air cooled hood, I'll post some fake picture of a set-up I saw shortly. Once this dude finds his fake camera. Last run the 400 watt didn't give me enough buddage, and the 1000 watt will be moved to a larger room shortly with 400 watt.
Is it worth it to get a hortilux bulb for the 400?
Also, I had a genius idea for a new carbon scrubber idea. Since I'm gonna be moving to a larger room with a small fan to cubic feat area, I want as little resistance on the fan as possible. yes, yes i have ac calm down.
Anyway, my idea is a 3-4 layer "carbon screen" where in my closet where I'm gonna vent the room to the top will have the fan, blowing into the closet from the other room. Then, below the fan, will be 3-5 screens that are placed on racks in there that the air will be forces to push through, should allow thinner layer of carbon. (I'm thinking window screens or something similar) then the layers would end just before the top of the door.
So a 1 month DWC veg plant from seed is a no go if there 6 per 18 gal? Another Idea i had would be transfer the seeded plants to 5 gal buckets before they get to big and then starting more clones in the othr buckets.
I like my 400, but hella weak sauce compared to the 1000 watt hortilux air cooled.
oh ya, nice net cups, I already seen your thread, which inspired me to make my home made net pots, you'll see'm soon, I used a thicker flexible plastic, sold at lowes 79 cents each, but i do agree I'd rather just buy net pots. One negative about mine is that although sturdy, they are translucent and allow algae.
Is it worth it to get a hortilux bulb for the 400?
Also, I had a genius idea for a new carbon scrubber idea. Since I'm gonna be moving to a larger room with a small fan to cubic feat area, I want as little resistance on the fan as possible. yes, yes i have ac calm down.
Anyway, my idea is a 3-4 layer "carbon screen" where in my closet where I'm gonna vent the room to the top will have the fan, blowing into the closet from the other room. Then, below the fan, will be 3-5 screens that are placed on racks in there that the air will be forces to push through, should allow thinner layer of carbon. (I'm thinking window screens or something similar) then the layers would end just before the top of the door.
So a 1 month DWC veg plant from seed is a no go if there 6 per 18 gal? Another Idea i had would be transfer the seeded plants to 5 gal buckets before they get to big and then starting more clones in the othr buckets.
I like my 400, but hella weak sauce compared to the 1000 watt hortilux air cooled.
oh ya, nice net cups, I already seen your thread, which inspired me to make my home made net pots, you'll see'm soon, I used a thicker flexible plastic, sold at lowes 79 cents each, but i do agree I'd rather just buy net pots. One negative about mine is that although sturdy, they are translucent and allow algae.
Not familiar with hortilux. Only fancy bulbs I've played with are AgroSun (worthless waste of money) and CMH (love it).
How long multi roots can be segregated in a tub is highly variable. Strains, lights, nutes all affect it. 4-5 weeks is as far as I care to go with a 250 @ 57 wsf.
A 5 gal bucket holds maybe 3 gal of nutes? (I run 12 or less in my 18 gal) If you're not recirculating, that could lead to some violent swings as plants mature.
How long multi roots can be segregated in a tub is highly variable. Strains, lights, nutes all affect it. 4-5 weeks is as far as I care to go with a 250 @ 57 wsf.
A 5 gal bucket holds maybe 3 gal of nutes? (I run 12 or less in my 18 gal) If you're not recirculating, that could lead to some violent swings as plants mature.
Why is 130 watt/sq ft overkill? Havn't started flowering, but they look great so far. Light is about ~3ft above tops. Hmm... I am slacking on my set-up, I am not using any ppm meter or PH, also no thermometer... But! none the less I'm pretty confident temps are not reaching above 80 degrees F. Ambient temperature is 69 degrees F, and I will lower if needed. I have about 5 grows under my belt, small scale, but I'm pretty confident that this floraNova series won't let me down. So far so good. Anything else I should worry about side nutrient temps, air temp, I don't really think 'bleeching' will be a problem.
Anyone used technaflora's sugar daddy and/or magic cal with the floraNova series? If so, in what ways.
floraNova is ph buffered so I don't think I'll have to worry about any PH swings.
Now I do want to be able to leave the set-up for up to a week, so if you think that 18 gals won't be enough for 6 mature females for a week let me know.
Anyone used technaflora's sugar daddy and/or magic cal with the floraNova series? If so, in what ways.
floraNova is ph buffered so I don't think I'll have to worry about any PH swings.
Now I do want to be able to leave the set-up for up to a week, so if you think that 18 gals won't be enough for 6 mature females for a week let me know.
Hellz yeah, So i decided to do my thang and not change what I was doing and I'll file you in on how its gone.
FreezerBoy: I decided to continue with my homewaede net pots, but mine were more sturdy than yours and it seems that they are even going to be good for another grow.
Currently, my gals are now huge uncontrollable bitches.
The only real problem is how fast they stretched into my light. Including the Tub, they are about 5 feet tall, with about 1-1/2 inch stems thick. After sexing, which was the original arguement in my thread I *cut* the roots out of my hydro system. I did this by pulling the plant up and getting as large of a root mass as I could, without having any of the other plants roots in my cutting path. Then I cut the roots took out of the system, derooted the cup, and put back in the system to make sure no light was going down to me water. I have had no problems or 'root rot' that people thought I may get, I still have never dumped the original water out of the system, which means there ARE male roots in there somewhere. I have had 0 problems at all with the root system even though I thought it may get fucked up.
One one occasion I left for about a week and I had some plants get tips burnt from the aircooling hood not working properly, and a possible overdose on nutrients.
There is a solid 2-3 foot tall screen of green (no actual screen, just imagine 5 big ass plants squezed and trained together in a closet, its thick!. The bottom honestly gets 0 light penetration using a 1000 watt!
I'm very excited to end this grow as buds are being produced down to the depts of my system and am predicting a seriously massive field of bud. Sorry still no pics but when grow is done there will be a few.
FreezerBoy: I decided to continue with my homewaede net pots, but mine were more sturdy than yours and it seems that they are even going to be good for another grow.
Currently, my gals are now huge uncontrollable bitches.
The only real problem is how fast they stretched into my light. Including the Tub, they are about 5 feet tall, with about 1-1/2 inch stems thick. After sexing, which was the original arguement in my thread I *cut* the roots out of my hydro system. I did this by pulling the plant up and getting as large of a root mass as I could, without having any of the other plants roots in my cutting path. Then I cut the roots took out of the system, derooted the cup, and put back in the system to make sure no light was going down to me water. I have had no problems or 'root rot' that people thought I may get, I still have never dumped the original water out of the system, which means there ARE male roots in there somewhere. I have had 0 problems at all with the root system even though I thought it may get fucked up. One one occasion I left for about a week and I had some plants get tips burnt from the aircooling hood not working properly, and a possible overdose on nutrients.
There is a solid 2-3 foot tall screen of green (no actual screen, just imagine 5 big ass plants squezed and trained together in a closet, its thick!. The bottom honestly gets 0 light penetration using a 1000 watt!
I'm very excited to end this grow as buds are being produced down to the depts of my system and am predicting a seriously massive field of bud. Sorry still no pics but when grow is done there will be a few.
Truth to tell, I haven't gone that far. The consensus among those who have is that 100 watts seems to be to point of diminishing returns. Up to 100 watts you get return for your $. After 100 watts, only a fraction thereof.
