Arizona's Medical Marijuana Iniative is a Scam

[easyrasta]

Was looking forward to having a medical marijauna bill passed in Arizona but am now not sure to support it or oppose it.
First, the bill only allows those with dibilatating injuries or sickness. In other words only those that are prescribe hard narcotics can get the pot.
Second, only non profit corps can sell the stuff. The only ones allowed to grow would be those too far away from some corp dispensary.
What a load of crap.
This is just a way for corporations to be the only providers of the medicine we all need.
Damb.
Ez

 

[Moldy Dreads]

Was looking forward to having a medical marijauna bill passed in Arizona but am now not sure to support it or oppose it.
First, the bill only allows those with dibilatating injuries or sickness. In other words only those that are prescribe hard narcotics can get the pot.
Second, only non profit corps can sell the stuff. The only ones allowed to grow would be those too far away from some corp dispensary.
What a load of crap.
This is just a way for corporations to be the only providers of the medicine we all need.
Damb.

Ez

Scam? Easy there Rasta..jk
You're reading into it way too much IMO man, it sounds like you're mad because you think you won't qualify based on what is written there. Believe me, you want MMJ to be legal in AZ. it will open many doors..and you will be fine..

 

[easyrasta]

Ive read the entire bill and have copies if you like. I dont have any problems getting my meds bro. but those who do will have to pay top dollar to some out of town big wig money grubbing dusch.
I want mmj to be legal in az, but this is not the right bill and i know what im talking about. Im born and raised here and can smell a rat when i see it.
peace
Ez

 

[Moldy Dreads]

Ive read the entire bill and have copies if you like. I dont have any problems getting my meds bro. but those who do will have to pay top dollar to some out of town big wig money grubbing dusch.

Why? Do they only allow Big WIg Money Grubbin duschs to open a non profit? Believe me, I just want to understand why you think it's a Scam?tr.v. scam scammed, scam·ming, scams To defraud; swindle.

 

[easyrasta]

Ok here we go.

First it will cost about $5000.00 to apply for a license. Who do you think will get them, people who know people. Then they will limit the number of shops that can open, so the first guys will get a monopoly in the area. Then they will open more in remote places, so noone can grow there own. and who do you think will get those licenses?
They will put a couple in tucson, Phoenix, Flagstaff and so forth. It doesnt pass the smell test.

Peace
Ez

 

[Moldy Dreads]

First it will cost about $5000.00 to apply for a license. Who do you think will get them, people who know people. Then they will limit the number of shops that can open, so the first guys will get a monopoly in the area. Then they will open more in remote places, so noone can grow there own. and who do you think will get those licenses?
They will put a couple in tucson, Phoenix, Flagstaff and so forth. It doesnt pass the smell test.

To Open a Cannabis Dispensary you need more than a pound, not to mention building modifications and opening expenses.. 5 grand is about a pound and a half of some top shelf. That's not alot of money.You'll need way more than that to open a store anywhere, the demand is huge.

Anyway, once open, do you truly believe that's it. Set in stone, some large Walmart is going to come in and breed top notch herb and monopolize the market? They don't have genetics, know-how, and the community will not support them until new legislation "ammends" the existing legislation and will open coops no matter what if they truly believe in the cause, like they did in California.. It can only get better...people vote for changes, not Walmart type corporations.

Who do you think will get them, people who know people. Then they will limit the number of shops that can open, so the first guys will get a monopoly in the area. Then they will open more in remote places, so noone can grow there own. and who do you think will get those licenses?
They will put a couple in tucson, Phoenix, Flagstaff and so forth. It doesnt pass the smell test.

I'm neither here nor there, I'm just reading the above statements and they seem like you're guessing and not really sure of what will happen. In California, it';s not even in the legislation that Cannabis Dispensaries are legal, guess what there are more than 1000 open. It's called balls to stand up and make things happen as they should. I don't see how legalizing MJ, even with imposed restrictions is a bad thing...maybe I'm wrong, but you just aren't stating anything vastly different from bills in other states that have a MMJ program? Voting against that bill sounds ludicrous to me if you are truly a MMJ advocate.

 

[Greyskull]

sometimes you have to start at the ground floor and work your way up to want you want.

its not like phillip morris is gonna come into town and set up shop... more than likey a couple of very brave individuals (who will be called greedy by many) will form a non profit corporation and get the proper licensing & permits, properly zoned location, obtain some buds, and go from there. THOSE GUYS ARE BAD?

 

[easyrasta]

I am from Arizona and am very familiar with the political climate here. I am aware it will take alot more than 5 gs to start this up and maintain. All the more reason it will be some big cash corp to be the first and only to provide the herb. What you dont know is that the govt here will still be against it even if it passes. They will not change the bill, only the people here will change it. This is not the first attempt at a bill, one was passed in 2001 but was flawed because it required a prescription not a recommendation.
As an example of the climate here, we passed a no jail for possession bill here. What did the prosecutors do, ok no jail for the weed but you get jail for the papers or the bowl you smoke it out of.
Again, i know what im talking about and am not talking out of my ass.
you are free to your opinion, but i know what im talking about.
Peace
Ez

 

[Moldy Dreads]

I am from Arizona and am very familiar with the political climate here. I am aware it will take alot more than 5 gs to start this up and maintain. All the more reason it will be some big cash corp to be the first and only to provide the herb. What you dont know is that the govt here will still be against it even if it passes. They will not change the bill, only the people here will change it. This is not the first attempt at a bill, one was passed in 2001 but was flawed because it required a prescription not a recommendation.
As an example of the climate here, we passed a no jail for possession bill here. What did the prosecutors do, ok no jail for the weed but you get jail for the papers or the bowl you smoke it out of.
Again, i know what im talking about and am not talking out of my ass.
you are free to your opinion, but i know what im talking about.

I don't think you see the big picture. All you're doing is trying to convince people you know Arizona well, and seriously sick people won't get their meds, but wait, they will, it's just that an evil rich guy will make all the money?

I still don't understand why it's a scam.

The important issue is that the lame society (as you imply) in Arizona needs to become more aware that MJ is a legitimate herb used for medication as well as other good things. This happens little by little, not overnight, and many times it's a slow process. Legalization is the first process, it helps society realize that it's not a bad drug, and that time and time again, the poeple have voted for it to become legal. Then you work on the kinks, stand up and be an activist and on and on..
You aren't convincing me by saying that I must blindly trust your intuition or whatever.

I truly hope the best for AZ patients and hope that MMJ gets approved ASAP

 

[easyrasta]

sometimes you have to start at the ground floor and work your way up to want you want.

its not like phillip morris is gonna come into town and set up shop... more than likey a couple of very brave individuals (who will be called greedy by many) will form a non profit corporation and get the proper licensing & permits, properly zoned location, obtain some buds, and go from there. THOSE GUYS ARE BAD?

Hey greyskull, how u be my brother,
This is not cali, this is the home of joe arpio, the biggest dick to ever wear a badge. Its my opinion that the right bill needs to be passed once. The current bill have very little room to allow change.
No legislators will touch the issue here, it is political suicide, i personally know a few of them and raz them for having no balls but this is Arizona. everything will be interpreted strictly. and i do believe philip morris will come in here and open the shops
peace
Ez

 

[dongle69]

Philip Morris isn't a non profit.

 

[Greyskull]

whats up man? hope all is well in the hot hot heat.
shit man AZ is a tough place to be for anything.

it will be tough to pass the "right bill" once... look at California... yeah our bill passed in 96 but look at how vague and undefined it is as compared to say, murder. Its causing lots of headache but we are still making headway and working towards what we all want - and thats okay. Working the kinks out as we go is the way to look at it I guess (if you are a glass is half full person).

politics is a fucking lame ass process. have to wait for the old guard to change and then the new guard isn't always on the brink either...

you shouldn't be worried about phillip morris, you should be worried about Oaksterdam imo.

 

[easyrasta]

Its a scam cuz only a few will get to provide it and it will be a monopoly and all that comes with that.
Its a scam cuz no one near a provider will be allowed to grow their own they will have to pay whatever price is asked.
Its a scam because only the dead and dying will be allowed to get the weed legally, not for stress, not for glacoma not for spazims not etc.
Its a scam because it will not get the meds to all who need it at a reasonable fee.
If medicine is cost prohibited it cures nothing.
I did not come to this conclusion over night, ive been wrestling with it for about a month after reading it, studing it and researching it.
I do know arizona, better than you ever could, but im not here to convince you one way or the other, ive read the bill have u?

 

[easyrasta]

Philip Morris isn't a non profit.

Point being, philip morris could come here and open a non profit over night.
Non profit doesnt mean u dont make money. The corp fools could make millions and still be a non profit.

We would be better off trying to convince Washington to take marijuana off the non prescribable list and our old law would kick in.

Peace
Ez

 

[Greyskull]

you seem to be of the "decriminalize/100% legalize" crowd.
ALL OR NOTHING i get it. then everyone could grow their own and if poeple wnat some store bought buds they can go do it without issue. thats cool

you are right nonprofit operators are still allowed to pay themselves a good salary comparable with other business owners. Not millions, but depending on how well they operate their business they could be pretty comfortable.

 

[easyrasta]

I would love for it to be legal. There is no good reason it isnt, but im not that hard lined.
Let me put it this way. If the bill allowed doctors to recommend it for what they believe is legit. I would be for it. If they would allow those that have a recommendation to grow a few plants for themselves, i would support it.
But when you only allow a few to provide it and you cant provide for your own, you are asking for money grubbing fools to take advantage.

 

[dongle69]

Point being, philip morris could come here and open a non profit over night.

No they couldn't.
Phillip Morris (Altria Group, Inc.) is a for profit corporation.
What is stopping you from doing it?

 

[Greyskull]

glad you aren't all militant lol

so then you'd be okay with something like california's prop 215, yeah?

edit: not to defend AZ but maybe they are afraid of the cartels coming in and starting 50 light ops... so they are trying to use extreme preventaitve measures?

 

[easyrasta]

Why cant they? The top dogs could come here tomorrow and open one for less than $200.00.
and Money and influence.

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

I can understand your frustration with their restrictive version of mmj. That's one of my biggest bones with a lot of the "legalization" bills that have came accross. They require new and additional permits to grow/sell ect. Having formed a non profit corporation in California to help out mmj patients I understand the hurdles but they are reasonable. It's when you get to counties that require even employees have 100% clean backgrounds where the problems show up. Sorry but I do have a criminal record, and it's cannabis that has kept me out of trouble and from going back to prison again. It's how there are huge loopholes for potential discrimination via permits that bugs me.