OG Kush, and Trainwreck. Drain to waste coco with House & Garden Nutes

[FLoJo]

Yo Oregonic,

Im not sure what Mo's reasons are, and I am sure he will get back to you, but let me just say this,

if you DO decide not to use HG throughout the whole process, be SURE to either not use drip clean in your regiment, or eaaase into it.. if you use a different nute, and then switch flowering with HG, with the drip clean, it will shock your plants from my experiences. So just beware.

 

[Oregonic]

Yo Oregonic,

Im not sure what Mo's reasons are, and I am sure he will get back to you, but let me just say this,

if you DO decide not to use HG throughout the whole process, be SURE to either not use drip clean in your regiment, or eaaase into it.. if you use a different nute, and then switch flowering with HG, with the drip clean, it will shock your plants from my experiences. So just beware.

Thanks for the tip, man. I had actually seen somewhere else on the net (I think it might have been the actual H&G website) that same warning: to not introduce drip clean in the middle of a grow. It will release a bunch of salts at once and fry your plants. But I'm gonna keep using H&G to veg as well, so no worries...

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Mo, been following along and I really appreciate your work, so much that I am setting up the same. Mo, i have only grown in dirt and it has gone well but no where as nice as what you have going. What do you think my biggest hurdles will be with switching over? I'm pretty much cool with messing up here and there but is there any blatant things that I should look out for, maybe I'm over thinking it a touch, but any advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[dragunn]

very inspiring grow.was thinking of switching to hydroton for a drip to waste system,now it looks like coco.

how many times do you reuse your coco?what do you do to flush it between grows?

love the train wreck,all ways have a few in my room.nothing smells like it.

 

[dongle69]

It looks pretty tasty in here!
I notice that your nutrient spreadsheets are missing the calcium number, among others.
The Coco B has 10% calcium according to the guys at H&G.

 

[SirSmokalot]

WOW Mo,

What can I say that has not already been said? You have created quite an efficient setup there. I can really appreciate the craftsmanship.

I'm actually moving from a vertical setup (too much maintenance for a larger grow) back to a flat garden and have been thinking about giving coco a shot.

First question, do you happen to notice a lot of salt initially in the coco mixtures? does it require a great deal of treatment before hand, other than a good rinse with tap water?

Also, I know that it drains quickly and doesnt hold too much water.. but I was planning on running about a 70/30 coco/pearlite mixture, and feeding by hand once a day. Do you think that regulating the amount of water to each plant is crucial in coco, or will a good mixture of pearlite in the mix allow for watering "by the eye".

I'm gonna be running 4x600s and about 20 GDP per light in 6.5x6.5x7 pots, hand watering every day. The reason i wanted to hand water, is that I dont want a build a system before coco has me totally sold. (long time rockwool and hydroton user)

Lastly, I am totally with you about the H&G nutes.. I have used Canna, Advanced, GH, and mixtures of others, and HG really is the most complete, effective nute line I have found. It tripped me out at first how low the PH dropped when mixing in the A+B I thought I had done something terribly wrong LOL.

Keep up the good work my friend, you really do have your system dialed in nicely, and thank you for sharing so much information with everyone.

Peace,

FLo

for 80 plants you might wanna spend the 50-100 dollars making a pvc manifold and automate your feeding. hand watering 80 plants daily is a lot of fuss. a cheap pump and timer will work with a few trash can res's. and most coco that is bagged like canna doesnt need any rinsing- and best with 100% coco, although perlite wont hurt any,

 

[FLoJo]

for 80 plants you might wanna spend the 50-100 dollars making a pvc manifold and automate your feeding. hand watering 80 plants daily is a lot of fuss. a cheap pump and timer will work with a few trash can res's. and most coco that is bagged like canna doesnt need any rinsing- and best with 100% coco, although perlite wont hurt any,

Ya thats true, but then you also have to figure out a drainage system, and Im not trying to invest in any more equip till I know exactly what I want to do

 

[max_well]

Hey Mo
Just wishing you luck with the end of this grow and hoping for some more of your expert photos and info
Peace
Max

 

[Grow4Flow]

Mo where you at?

Mo where you at?

Mo,
just wanna say that is an aewsome setup, thinking bout goin that route but damn ive spent so much $$$$ trying to dial shit in and wishing i would have done things different.

FloJo,
ya got pics of your setup? was thinking bout going vert next round and trying to get some ideas, but i would definitely be doing a top feed instead of the hand watering.

 

[Mo Budz]

Hey everyone. Thanks for all your replies. Sorry it took me so long to get back to this, but I will try to get all the q's awnsered that I neglected.

WOW Mo,

What can I say that has not already been said? You have created quite an efficient setup there. I can really appreciate the craftsmanship.

I'm actually moving from a vertical setup (too much maintenance for a larger grow) back to a flat garden and have been thinking about giving coco a shot.

First question, do you happen to notice a lot of salt initially in the coco mixtures? does it require a great deal of treatment before hand, other than a good rinse with tap water?

Also, I know that it drains quickly and doesnt hold too much water.. but I was planning on running about a 70/30 coco/pearlite mixture, and feeding by hand once a day. Do you think that regulating the amount of water to each plant is crucial in coco, or will a good mixture of pearlite in the mix allow for watering "by the eye".

I'm gonna be running 4x600s and about 20 GDP per light in 6.5x6.5x7 pots, hand watering every day. The reason i wanted to hand water, is that I dont want a build a system before coco has me totally sold. (long time rockwool and hydroton user)

Lastly, I am totally with you about the H&G nutes.. I have used Canna, Advanced, GH, and mixtures of others, and HG really is the most complete, effective nute line I have found. It tripped me out at first how low the PH dropped when mixing in the A+B I thought I had done something terribly wrong LOL.

Keep up the good work my friend, you really do have your system dialed in nicely, and thank you for sharing so much information with everyone.

Peace,

FLo

Hey Flo. Thanks for being patient with me. I do not have to treat any of my coco as of now. I have never noticed any ill effects from not doing it, so I just add it straight from the bag and go. In my opinion, coco drains just fine without the use of pearlite, so I have never seen the need to add any to my grows. There are many people that do, and get awsome results too, but I think it would be ideal to add coco if you were to water more frequently then just once a day. But as far as ammount, I like to keep my coco moist all the time and never let it dry out. If coco does dry out, it can have the tendency to release more salts causing lockouts and other salt related problems. Thanks again flo, and I hope the best for your coco grows.

Yo Mo you should be choppin any day now my brother... I'm wishin you a heavy yield

Once again a big thanks for all the advice and tips you've given to me and others... you're a valuable resource.


Oregonic

Thanks Oregonic, and sorry for the big delay in response. Harvest was beautiful, and while not as much as I was predicting, I ended up walking away with 3-3/4 off the 2 lights. Thanks again for stopping by, and I will have some pics up real soon.

If you could only see that my jaw is literally open and has been for the last 15 minutes going from page 1 to 7... wow. Stunning work, Mo. You are clearly skilled. Thanks for sharing. It must be great to have dank buds like that you've grown. Enjoy!

Thanks ras, i'm glad you liked it and i hope people could take some of this info and make it work for them.

that nightshade is the serious business, any finished cured shots or are they still on their last legs?

Thanks prop215. I do have some bud shots, and will post them soon. I have been really busy with work lately, and it has been hard to get back on here, but I appreciate all the positive feedback from all of you.

this grow is sick, is that night shade from barney's farm?

Actually the night shade I have comes from up in humboldt, and I believe its a cross of blackberry and some other strain. Very nice smooth smoke tho, and a good mellow high.

Mo the garden is looking tasty as hell homie
i needa find something like that night shade to add her to my closet

Thanks asher1er. She is about as purple as they come, and very easy on the eyes too...

Yo Mo you're probably busy harvesting but I got one last question for ya bro if you don't mind. I know you mentioned you're vegging with CNS17 now but I'm wondering if you ever vegged with the H&G, and if so if you remember what you're feeding schedule was like? Namely, how much of the A+B you were givin em versus the Algen Extract? I'm also just wondering if there is a reasoning behind not vegging with the H&G other than the ease of use and price of a one-part versus a four- or five-part? I like the idea of having them on the same nutrient line the whole time so I don't mind the extra pain and $ of mixing up a batch of H&G. And come to think of it, I'd assume you're giving yours the Roots Excel along with the CNS17 anyway...

Hope all is well man and thanks for your responses as always.


Oregonic

Hey oregonic, sorry again for the delay. I have used the H&G before, and it works great. I used to mix it as dirrected except for the a&B ammounts. I usually start around 250 to 300 for the first week, and bump it up to 500 in the second. The ease of a one part nute is why I like using it, and I even have really great results with the dry fox farm marine cusine and just plain RO water. Once they go into bloom its full boar with the house and garden. I have never used the algean extract tho, but I'm sure it does some great stuff. I definentally might experiment with it in the future. Thanks again.

Mo, been following along and I really appreciate your work, so much that I am setting up the same. Mo, i have only grown in dirt and it has gone well but no where as nice as what you have going. What do you think my biggest hurdles will be with switching over? I'm pretty much cool with messing up here and there but is there any blatant things that I should look out for, maybe I'm over thinking it a touch, but any advice is greatly appreciated.

I would say the coco is one of the easiest mediums to transition to from soil. It has so many similarities, but treating it like hydro will give you the best results. Just make sure your drip system has a good filter on it if you go that route, and invest in a good combo meter ( ph/ec/tds ). With the right tools you can achieve great results your first time around. Thanks for stopping by.

very inspiring grow.was thinking of switching to hydroton for a drip to waste system,now it looks like coco.

how many times do you reuse your coco?what do you do to flush it between grows?

love the train wreck,all ways have a few in my room.nothing smells like it.

Thanks dragunn. I never do reuse my coco. It usually goes to the recycle can, or out in the flower beds in the yard. I too love the wreck, and if done right, is some of the dankest sativa around.

It looks pretty tasty in here!
I notice that your nutrient spreadsheets are missing the calcium number, among others.
The Coco B has 10% calcium according to the guys at H&G.

Thanks dongle. I made those nute charts based off of what the bottles say. I would love to get a more detailed printout of exactally what micro's and macro's are in the a&b. I too was told the calcium is in there, but why its not listed is beyond me. Thanks again

Hey Mo
Just wishing you luck with the end of this grow and hoping for some more of your expert photos and info
Peace
Max

Thanks max, and I will definentally have some more pics up soon.

Mo,
just wanna say that is an aewsome setup, thinking bout goin that route but damn ive spent so much $$$$ trying to dial shit in and wishing i would have done things different.

FloJo,
ya got pics of your setup? was thinking bout going vert next round and trying to get some ideas, but i would definitely be doing a top feed instead of the hand watering.

Thanks grow4flow, and everyone else who stopped by to check out my grow. The harvest pics are coming soon, and I thank everyone for keeping this thred going while I was away. New grows going on right now, and work is crazy. But as soon as I have some time to upload and downsize my pictures, I will get them on here. Be back soon....

 

[Oregonic]

Mo Budz back in the buildin! Its good to have you back!

 

[Grow4Flow]

I agree, i've been anxious in the background waiting to see what came of this grow.

 

[Mo Budz]

I dont know what happened to the post up above earlier, but I edited it, and re added the responses to all the q's. If I have some time tonight I'll get some bling shots up of the dried buds, along with some week 8 and harvest pics. Thanks again every1

Mo

 

[Grow4Flow]

thanks Mo,

take care of your biz first man, we'll be waiting.

 

[O.G.#1]

Damn Mo! Your making me want to get the real Wreck back in my garden after that pixelated shot of you holding the Wreck cola!

Im a HG enthusiast too!

Have you heard about off setting the yellowing or ill effects of TopBooster with CalMag? Alot of peeps say its the key to successfuly using TB!

Have you ever toyed with shooting powder earlier in bloom? Heard some peeps talking about how its pretty much equal to koolbloom and how koolbloom is used early on in the flowering cycle when using GH. Ive always has been something i wanted to try for shits n giggles!

 

[guest5703]

Cant wait to see those harvest pics!

 

[SirSmokalot]

yay harvest

 

[4c4oToSyntheSiS]

i've smoked the night shade a few times, The smoke and smell remind me of mendo purps. You're babies came out stupid purple,can't wait for harvest pics and smoke reports! Great job bro, looks like the House and garden did you well? you like?

4c4otosynthesis

 

[ajc0k]

insane grow man, nice plants.. it's funny because today i stopped by my boys place (he goes to humboldt state but back for summer) checked out the plants, it was all nightshade, just straight purple.. and he happened to have dusted a few with arcata trainwreck pollen (found a seed in some trainwreck bud no doubt the unmistakeable arcata cut smell i've been smokin that shit for a few years now) just all funny, 2 same strains as you aha. i'm gonna bag some seeds when it's done, can't wait. anyways i was just wondering,
how much did you pull, or how much do you pull on average per run with this set up? i was set on running 2k same hoods as you, on a mover, with 21 rdwc buckets.. but bro, you practically convinced me to run coco drip drain to waste, very very nice..

 

[onegreenday]

Mobudz,t here's no calcium in your chart. How do you manage without calcium in coir?
thanks.