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[Asil]

Well I came yesterday to two surprises. One my package came from the bay!!!! Thanks to Seedbay and F.U.C.K.E.M. for sending in SD x Chem d, can't wait to drop them. Then my wife gives me this.

So after talking with hydro-soil about it and discussing options, I.... we decided to open up this build up the the growers here at ICMag. The cabinet size is 40"w x 65"h x 20"d. The upper section is 39" x 39" x 20". The lower two sections are about 19"x19"x19". Also going to go with pl-l lighting, as Hydro-soil swears by it, figuring 550w for the flowering cab.

So lets have all those ideas, past experiences and great inventive stoner/grower minds and make one hell of a cabinet.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

The cabinet size is 40"w x 65"h x 20"d. The upper section is 39" x 39" x 20". The lower two sections are about 19"x19"x19". Also going to go with pl-l lighting, as Hydro-soil swears by it, figuring 550w for the flowering cab.

Ok, 20"D = 1.67ft 40" = 3.30 ft so 5.5 square feet total. Hmmmmmmmm.....
550w = 10 55w lamps at 4,800 lumens each, so that's 48,000 lumens.
48,000 / 5.5 = 8727 lumens per square foot.
Now that I do the math, that may not be such a great idea.

38,400 / 5.5 = 6,981 lumens per square foot. Well, that's better, definitely something you can work with.

I wonder what it would do to have all of the sockets on one side of the roof of the cab and slant the 55w lamps so they fit.....
/////// ???? How would you set up the cooling to suck exhaust air past all the sockets?

Making sure the sockets are located right before the exhaust exit is going to ensure the temps are the lowest inside the cab.

By Running the ventilation/odor-control in the mum chamber down below as as it's own section will allow it to stay constant no matter what changes you make to the main cab. I would suggest the remote cfl lamps that are 36w quad tubes. They're flat and are 8.5" x about 4".

So lets have all those ideas, past experiences and great inventive stoner/grower minds and make one hell of a cabinet.

I'm definitely interested in ideas here and anywhere you can think of a quality part that will last for years, don't hesitate to suggest it. Asil has stated that they're going to take their time and build this one to last, no matter how long it takes.


Edit: With that amount of lumens I was thinking of an E&F tray with a res in the lower left or right side and a screen. Rig the tray so it can be raised and lowered and the screen can be removed. Raise the tray when clones are new and gradually drop down to final height and put the screen in for the rest of the grow.

 

[Asil]

Okay that was the fastest trip to the hardware store I think I have ever made. LOL
Was not going to buy anything but ended up getting some weatherstriping to start light proofing. Look for remote ballast for the lighting, no luck. I looked at all the bathroom fans, found a couple one is 50cfm 3.0 scones for $12.88, the other one is 70 cfm 3.0 scones for like $17.00. Both have 3.5" housings so they won't take up much room. I looked at the 1.5 scones 80 cfm fans but the price was like $90-125. I ran them both and even though the 1.5 where quiet the 3.0 where not that loud, espeacially since I am running a 450 cfm hepa filter 5 feet from the cab and it is always on high!!!

So I am going to shearch the web for the best deal on remote ballasts and also check with Suanders, that is how made cabinet, to see what color stain would mach so I can extend the top about 12" to house the scrubber and ballasts.

 

[J-Blunt]

i dont think 8727 lumens/sq ft is tooo much really. ive seen 10000 lm/sq ft work just fine with no quams from the plants. interested to see how u circulate your air...that would be the main problem from running 10 lights imo

as for the light placement...im like partially OCD so having the lights slanted would drive me nuts and never work. not sure on exact dimensions, but Hydro did u say u needed 21 inches for it to fit in COMFORTABLY? if u get the right brand then u might not even have to slant the lights. if that doest work i would have 4 or 5 on left side and for or 5 on right side and have them like intersecting each other - if that makes any sense to u.

could run a small a/c axial fan on each side blowing directly on sockets

 

[Asil]

If I understand right the heat from these are generated at the socket. So what about cutting a slot above the sockets that draws the air over them? I was just looking at some bulbs that say they are 10000k if 6500k is ideal for veg would this be better?

 

[FreezerBoy]

I think you're headed to trouble with the fans. I cooled a 250 with 76 cfm axial but, barely. The only scrubber it could handle was an odorsock. The moment I needed a legit scrubber I had to get a legit fan (S&P in my case). I wonder if those bathroom fans can handle the back pressure of real scrubbers and with 550 watts you'll need a real scrubber.

 

[Asil]

So you think I will need a inline Freezerboy? I mean we are talking a total of 25 cubic feet maxium. The ambient air coming in is a steady 72F. What you all think about the DIY scrubbers? Or should We just plan on a 6"inline and scrubber for the store?

 

[FreezerBoy]

I absolutely adore my DIY scrubber. I made this one

I've no actual experience with bath fans and don't know what type (squirrel, axial, etc) of bath fan we're talking about but, my 100x S&P provided great cooling for my 250 CMH UNTIL I added a scrubber. Then my temps climbed considerably. To the point I'll either reduce the scrubbers thickness from 1 to 1/2 inch and/or ramp up the fan to 135 cfm.

With a 150 HPS my garden never smelled much. Since coming here and upgrading to a 250 CMH, my cab (unscrubbed) stinks like hell. I can only imagine the stench of an IC guided grow under 550 watts.

Use ADVANCED SEARCH for PANASONIC under TITLES ONLY and you'll find a number of threads dealing with scrubbing a Whisper Fan which may be similar to what you're looking at. Let those with more experience guide you.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=45196

 

[Tanuvan]

I agree with Freezerboy. The main issue with the axials is dealing with backpressure. About the only thing you can do is connect axial fans in series to increase their pull, or increase the surface area.

I'd vote the S&P fan for a balance of serious scrubbing and overall sound stealthiness.

 

[Asil]

I absolutely adore my DIY srubber. I made this one

That is The same thread I read to make my scrubber. Even thought I am not using it it truned out great. There was a thread I read some where about how long your scrubber should be for the size of you room. I made mine 16" long that should be plenty big for this cabinet. That is one thing my wife said it can't smell. So I guess I should start looking at inline then. I mean if I am goin to spend $100-$150 on a panasonic why not just get a inline.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I think you're headed to trouble with the fans. I cooled a 250 with 76 cfm axial but, barely. The only scrubber it could handle was an odorsock. The moment I needed a legit scrubber I had to get a legit fan (S&P in my case). I wonder if those bathroom fans can handle the back pressure of real scrubbers and with 550 watts you'll need a real scrubber.

I agree. I'd use the cheapo fan in the Mum/Veg chamber and go with the original Panasonic for the main cab air-flow. There's really no comparison in the strength of air-flow and the panasonic won't bog down when you put the right size odor-scrubber on it.

I'm cooling 220w with a cheapo 50cfm bathroom fan and it's barely adequate. It's also a suckily designed fan. The panasonic won't have these issues and I still think you'd be better off with 2 of them and two air scrubbers. It's definitely a LOT more expensive but you'll have Zero issues with air-flow and odor-control for years. I give my cheapo bathroom fan another 6 months on 24/0 and it'll be making enough noise it will need replacing.

Cutting a slot for the air behind the sockets is a great idea Suck that heat out!

Edit: Why not just go with an inline? Because you're in a cab and even though you say noise isn't a factor, that's a LOT of noise. I can't say it enough. Screw the money, take the time and get the right fans and you'll never be happier. If I wasn't dependent 24/7 on my meds, I would have taken the time myself on my cab. On my budget it would have taken over a year though. LOL

 

[FreezerBoy]

It's definitely a LOT more expensive

But, a lot cheaper than going to jail.

 

[irie4i]

If your wife says "no smell" but didn't say "no noise" go for broke imo; you almost can't move too much air in a grow space; short of pulling the plants into the exhaust. If I was woried about smell but knew I could be as loud as a bathroom fan, I'd be looking at quiet 4" fans(probably mixed flow concidering you want SOME stealth) and cooling those lights with cpu fans(80mm cheap-o fans with an old PSU is a great cheap method to keep those fluro's cool).

Also, your name spells Lisa -- backwards. Good luck!

Also, personally if I have as much space as you do, I'm going to turn the entire underside of that cab into a recirculating res(or maybe aero plumbing); either that or knock out everything all the way to the floor and grow some vert ScrOG or maybe do some small LED chambers for clones(or a mom).

 

[Asil]

Ok there is a college kid here selling his entire hydro setup. He just shot me a email, I asked him if he had a fan and scrubber, low and behold he has the 80cfm pannasonic with a scrubber for 150. He also has a ebb and flow system but it is to big for the cabinet. I could get a 400w ballast refelctor and bulbs for 150. But I am pretty excited about trying these pl-l lights.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Ok there is a college kid here selling his entire hydro setup. He just shot me a email, I asked him if he had a fan and scrubber, low and behold he has the 80cfm pannasonic with a scrubber for 150.

Sweet! Pick it up.
You're going to love how powerfully quiet it is.

Check and see if the scrubber can be re-filled with carbon easily. If it can't, find out how long they used it for. You might not want it.

 

[Asil]

How hot do those pl-l light get? I was bored to day and wHile waiting for my money to pile up I got together some things I had aroung the house. In the low right corner compartment I popped 3 4" holes. Stuck a 120 mm 120v fan I had laying around and a couple of light sockets with y adapeters on them. Then I weather stripped the door and put two 42w and two 27 watt lights in. I turned it on and shut the door. That was three hours ago. I just opened the door and looked at the temp, I couldn't beleive what I saw, 67F with a 138 watts in a 18.75"w x 20.5"h x 19"d compartment. I have to believe that is because the cabinet sits on top of a a/c vent so it is drawing the cold air right from the vent which I know blows out at 60F. CFL's are hotter then the Pl-l lights right?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

CFL's are hotter then the Pl-l lights right?

Yes. You might want to test your cabinet when it's not over the A/C vent. In case you ever need to move it you'll want to be sure it'll be fine. You can mount the ballast for the lights up in the fan and odor-control section.

You're also not odor-scrubbing the air so it's flowing without restriction

 

[Asil]

This is true,I will block of that vent and see what happens. Seen a picture of that scubber it looks just like your. It is funny the guy tell me that he is out of the game and want to get rid of all his equipment. Wish I could fit the ebb and flow table in this cab. The fan is 80 cfm I thought we figured we would need a bigger fan to cool the flower cab? I suppose we could use it for the mums veg room. I can't seem to find a tray that will fit in the space. What about SWC? I might beable to do a mini aero unit with six sites out of 4" pvc? What you think? I am pretty excited about this, LOL. I love projects was at the hardware store twice to day.

 

[smoke1sun]

Heres a scrubber idea i plan on using for my veg section. Stays pretty cool in my veg room so im just gonna scrub the air. Only different is im gonna use carbon in mine not just the sheets.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=102587&highlight=diy+carbon

 

[FreezerBoy]

Heres a scrubber idea i plan on using for my veg section.

Sheets work to a degree. I made one similar which was almost enough to handle a low smell plant. As long as it's for veg you should be OK but, I wouldn't trust that to handle flowers under anything bigger than a 150.