Counties Must Issue ID Cards!!!

[MrBananaSlug]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between having a state ID card and something like a MediCann ID card? I know that the only thing that really matters is the doctor recommendation posted at the grow site, but say you're transporting meds to a dispensary and get pulled over for whatever reason..having the safety of a County Registered ID card with your picture is a good insurance IMHO. Is there any discrpancy between these state issued cards and the ones issued at medicann?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between having a state ID card and something like a MediCann ID card? I know that the only thing that really matters is the doctor recommendation posted at the grow site, but say you're transporting meds to a dispensary and get pulled over for whatever reason..having the safety of a County Registered ID card with your picture is a good insurance IMHO. Is there any discrepancy between these state issued cards and the ones issued at medicann?

I'm waiting in Stanislaus county for what may turn out to be one long delay on getting the Id card program up and running..

What is the difference between a State issued and Medicann? Well a quick search since I never have read about Medicann tells me they are a private company that verifies your data.. It also looks like they will not be there in court for ya.
So yes a Medicann card will get ya into a dispensary but an ID may keep you out of jail mostly.

I am so behind on what's happening in the world of weed Geeeez....


Jack

 

[JackTheGrower]

In Cali, no...you do not have to report your grow, and it can be anywhere you want-- The only thing the Law says, is you must have a copy of your Rec displayed in the grow--

Really? a copy of the rec posted? I haven't read that before.

 

[Smoke Kush]

Are you supposed to get those cards in the county your doctor is in or the county you live in? Always wondered that. Also although I live in a different county, i never got a new ID so mine still says LA, where my doc is. Think i should just go to LA?

 

[Smoke Kush]

I was just recently pulled over with a buddy of mine. My buddy was driving and told the cops he had smoke weed earlier in the day. He had his doctor's not and this is what the cop said word for word " I'm not gonna beef you about your pot man, but this document doesn't mean anything as of Jan 1st 2009." he said we have to get the dept of health card. Convinced me, 100$ is well worth the safety I get with my grow and I know i'm good if i have anymore run ins with the po lice.

sk

 

[Smoke Kush]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between having a state ID card and something like a MediCann ID card? I know that the only thing that really matters is the doctor recommendation posted at the grow site, but say you're transporting meds to a dispensary and get pulled over for whatever reason..having the safety of a County Registered ID card with your picture is a good insurance IMHO. Is there any discrpancy between these state issued cards and the ones issued at medicann?

BIG difference the medicann aint shit but a more convenient piece of paper. It seems clubs are just starting to accept those cards (they used to MAKE you have the original doc) but I really dont think most cops will be alright with the medicann card.

you should get the dept of health card

sk

 

[Smoke Kush]

Completely forgot.... FUCK YEAH !!! One more win for..... what should already be a reality (its all i could think of)

 

[Blue Dot]

FYI everyone, Dianne Jacobs in a UT article said she is "still undecided about whether to issue ID cards" even after the supreme court failed to hear her case.

This is the mentality we are dealing with.

It's time to remove Dianne Jacobs from office. She said she still thinks there is a "grey area".

 

[quadracer]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between having a state ID card and something like a MediCann ID card? I know that the only thing that really matters is the doctor recommendation posted at the grow site, but say you're transporting meds to a dispensary and get pulled over for whatever reason..having the safety of a County Registered ID card with your picture is a good insurance IMHO. Is there any discrpancy between these state issued cards and the ones issued at medicann?

Both are based off your original doctors recommendation, that is what qualifies you as a patient.

While both have 24 hour verification of your doctors recommendation, only one is issued by the government. Cards are redundant, you can have 5 in your wallet and like I said, they are all based off of your original doctors recommendation.

It's a good idea to carry your recommendation with you at all times, on top of having a card. If you are lucky enough to live in Santa Cruz or San Francisco county (which you may be with a name like Mr. Banana Slug), those counties submit your information anonymously to the state, which is way better and safer for you.

 

[MrBananaSlug]

Both are based off your original doctors recommendation, that is what qualifies you as a patient.

While both have 24 hour verification of your doctors recommendation, only one is issued by the government. Cards are redundant, you can have 5 in your wallet and like I said, they are all based off of your original doctors recommendation.

It's a good idea to carry your recommendation with you at all times, on top of having a card. If you are lucky enough to live in Santa Cruz or San Francisco county (which you may be with a name like Mr. Banana Slug), those counties submit your information anonymously to the state, which is way better and safer for you.

Okay cool, but lets say I already have a Medicann recommendation and the ID card they issue. I am living in Santa Cruz, so I am lucky to have the anonymous info sending. Regardless, should I consider paying for the Dept. of Health Serv. issued state ID cards even though I already have the medicann one? Will this ensure more protection or is just an unnecessary extra spending of $100?

 

[quadracer]

Really? a copy of the rec posted? I haven't read that before.

YES! It may not be posted into the law, but with most cops its "cut down now let the courts work it out" mentality. If you have a collective garden on your property too, you should be displaying ALL rec. forms as well as labeling plants to coincide with the rec. forms (among other things to protect yourself and members of the collective.)

Are you supposed to get those cards in the county your doctor is in or the county you live in? Always wondered that. Also although I live in a different county, i never got a new ID so mine still says LA, where my doc is. Think i should just go to LA?

You get a card in the country you reside (at least with the state issued ID cards), not where the doctor operates. The doctor recommendation is valid throughout all of California, and so is the state issued ID, but you need to get the card in the county where you reside.

 

[quadracer]

Okay cool, but lets say I already have a Medicann recommendation and the ID card they issue. I am living in Santa Cruz, so I am lucky to have the anonymous info sending. Regardless, should I consider paying for the Dept. of Health Serv. issued state ID cards even though I already have the medicann one? Will this ensure more protection or is just an unnecessary extra spending of $100?

It really depends. The state issued ID card is considered the gold standard of cards, valid everywhere, but so is the ID from Medicann. In my experience, Medicann isn't taken as seriously as the state issued ID card, but is just as valid. Knowing the laws that protect you as a patient will definitely help in the event of a police encounter.

 

[Ocean Grown]

Nooooo.

Your Doctors rec. is for the JUDGE, police do not have to honor it. It's only a defense in court.

A State MMIC card is for the POLICE, they MUST validate you and HONOR it by state law if no other crime is committed. Like the bozo driving around drunk and stoned with your buddies, doing donuts in a closed school at midnight or carrying an illegal weapon.

Cards from Clinics like MediCann are very good for one thing: Give one to your new cell mate as a bookmark. They carry no legal weight with police or the courts and are not considered by the court as a valid, original Doctors rec.

If you DRIVE with meds, SMOKE IN PUBLIC out of necessity (please be discreet) you might need a state MMIC card.

If you have a legal collective or a multi person grow, a state card can prevent the "chop 'em, cut the cords and let the courts decide" police.
If you caregive anyone or do anything that RAISES YOUR PLANT COUNTS or dry weight limits above "local limits" you might need a state card.
Unless you really like activism and hard steel benches to sleep on.

This is the current advice offered by most lawyers who don't want to make money off your suffering.

Think of the cost as INSURANCE. Let's say the MMIC is $144. That's $5.76 per plant CROP INSURANCE for a year on 25 plants, not too shabby if you had it taken from you by LEO and had to start from scratch.
If you have state minimums of 6 flowering, it's $24 per plant per year. A Doctors rec. is usually fine for patients growing the 12 or 6 minimums, assuming you don't want travel insurance.

In your CAR or in PUBLIC, it can save you from having your meds taken and a trip to court, A deal if your are a patient that doesn't do arrests well!

Fuck I can spend $144 bucks on a night out or on a state card... hmm.
I think I'm skipping ONE night out to pay for it. Consider what a nightmare arrest and seizure is like for a moment.... $144 doesn't sound bad.

PS Disneyland for 2 costs more than a State MMIC card.

Some people like to make headlines, some like to sleep at home.

 

[Blue Dot]

Some people like to make headlines, some like to sleep at home.

Some can't even buy a state card, even if they were willing to pay thousands for it because their county won't issue them.

Soon though.

 

[MrBananaSlug]

Thanks for that Ocean, I'm definitely going to be grabbing a state card then especially cause Santa Cruz sends info anonymously

 

[Hammerhead]

Can I use my Oregon state Id card to get a my new card in Ca or do I need to get another Doc rec? The cards that are issued here in Oregon are from the Public heath dept with ID# on them.

 

[pong]

must we get them?

 

[Ocean Grown]

Can I use my Oregon state Id card to get a my new card in Ca or do I need to get another Doc rec? The cards that are issued here in Oregon are from the Public heath dept with ID# on them.

You need to be a resident and get a new examination and rec.
California doesn't accept any other states programs but having your OR card and the medical records would make it easy for you to get your rec.

 

[Ocean Grown]

must we get them?

No. The state cards are totally optional. It's another layer of protection for patients that desire one.

 

[quadracer]

http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=956#le


J. Law Enforcement

No qualified patient or designated primary caregiver in possession of a valid physician's recommendation shall be subject to arrest for possession, transportation, delivery, or cultivation of medical marijuana in an amount established pursuant to this article, unless there is reasonable cause to believe that the information contained in their recommendation or ID card is false or falsified, the documentation has been obtained by means of fraud, or the person is otherwise in violation of the provisions of this article. As discussed above it is not necessary for a person to obtain an identification card in order to claim the protections of Section 11362.5.

While SB 420 helped to clarify the CUA and was meant to enforce protection of patients and caregivers from arrest and prosecution, it said nothing about medicine seizure, and unfortunately led way to a split decision in People v. Mower (2003). The Mower decision on its face looks good in that it reinforced patients' apparent protection from arrest and prosecution. However, the California Supreme Court ruled in Mower that with "probable cause" police officers could search, seize and arrest patients even after being provided valid documentation. ASA is attempting to clarify "probable cause" through proactive litigation against the state.

Additionally, under Cal. H & S 11362.78; "A state or local law enforcement agency or officer shall not refuse to accept an identification card issued by the Department unless the state or local law enforcement agency or officer has reasonable cause to believe that the information contained in the card is false or fraudulent, or the card is being used fraudulently."

A person found to have fraudulently obtained access to medical marijuana will be subject to the following penalties:

1. For the first offense, imprisonment in the county jail for no more than six months or a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or both; and
2. For a second or subsequent offense, imprisonment in the county jail for no more than one year, or a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or both.

In addition to the penalties described above, any person may be precluded from attempting to obtain, or obtaining or using, an identification card for a period of up to six months at the discretion of the court.