If you use Tap water STOP NOW!!!!! I'll explain..

[Budz4Freedom]

so check it out i just found out that the water company atleast in my area (san fran) the water is now has CHLORAMINE in it instead of just CHLORINE!!!!


Unlike chlorine, CHLORIMINE doesnt evaporate EVER so it will always inhibit organic growth.

This is just a heads up im sure someone more knowledgeable will show up

 

[krunchbubble]

the water in san fran has been full of chloramine for years. it is essential to use a fliter such as a tall boy with the carbon filter insert to get rid of it. if you dont filter the chloramine, it will kill anything organic in your nutrient, as well as kill fragile roots. it is extremely important to filter this, or you will never get to your full potential.

 

[MarquisBlack]

So glad I got RO. Not in San Fran, but damn. That Chloramine sounds like nasty shit to be drinking..

 

[opt1c]

yeah; some ro units need a special filter just for the chloramine; won't gas out either like chlorine... a good ro unit eliminates so many variables when growing; your plants will love you for it too

 

[Weezard]

True, that's what it's for. But, no worry, read on.

True, that's what it's for. But, no worry, read on.

so check it out i just found out that the water company atleast in my area (san fran) the water is now has CHLORAMINE in it instead of just CHLORINE!!!!


Unlike chlorine, CHLORIMINE doesnt evaporate EVER so it will always inhibit organic growth.


This is just a heads up im sure someone more knowledgeable will show up

Aloha E., (B4F)

They've been using Chloramine in SF water for 6 or 7 years now.
That's why these folks that let the water sit for 24 hours, or boil it, are not just spinning their wheels, they are also losing the dissolved air that keeps roots from drowning.

The good news is, that while chloramine will kill fish, it will not hurt your plants.
It is, in fact, somewhat beneficial. It kills harmful bacteria single-celled critters and mold.

In potted soil, it may suppress the beneficial bacteria as well, but for hydro and neutral or sterile grow medium like Coco, Rockwool and Hydrotron, if the water didn't have any Chloramine, I'd add some.

That's how I get away with 90 degree F. res temps and never had root rot.
Aerate your tap water just prior to application and it'll be just fine.


Regards,
Weezard

 

[krunchbubble]

holy sh!t weezard, are you intentionally trying to misinform people? if there is any organic in your nutrient the chloramine kills it almost instantly. we have proved this with countless experimentation's under microscope.
the chloramine destroys any kind fragile roots, try to run a cloner with chloramine water and see what happens. i know what happens and my 4 165 power cloners knows what happens, they don't like chloramine.


- bad weezard!

 

[Cali smoke]

come on guys, post some sources to your claims...

 

['anna jones]

^I agree more info is needed here

 

[montehierba]

water from my a/c

water from my a/c

LIVING IN THE TROPICS HAS FORCED ME TO USE SOLID A/C INITS TO COOL IT OFF AND AS A PAYBACK A HAVE BEEN COLLECTING THE CONDENSED WATER FROMM THIS UNITS, I GET AN AVERAGE OF 10 PPM,A STABLE 7.0 PH ALL YEAR LONG,IF NO A/C UNIT USE YOUR DEHUMEDIFIER SAME RESULTS,NEVER HAD A BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH H20.
I COULD BE WRONG BUT I THINK THIS PROGRAM IS CALLED REVERSE OSMOSIS.
COME ON SOME FEEDBACK

 

[Weezard]

Not at all. I'm quite sincere, here.

Not at all. I'm quite sincere, here.

holy sh!t weezard, are you intentionally trying to misinform people? if there is any organic in your nutrient the chloramine kills it almost instantly. we have proved this with countless experimentation's under microscope.

Exactly what I said. I do not use organics and have no bennies to worry about.
Chloramine is an indiscriminate killer of microscopic organisms. That is it's job.
I thought I had made that clear.
And no, the last thing I want to do is mislead people.
They'll just have to get lost on their own.:wink:

the chloramine destroys any kind fragile roots, try to run a cloner with chloramine water and see what happens. i know what happens and my 4 165 power cloners knows what happens, they don't like chloramine.

- bad weezard!

Ouch ouch ouch owie.
Lighten-up, dat hurts!

This is news to me, brah.
The only root damage I've experience was from fungus gnats or stale water.
Been using Hawaiian tap water for years and used SF tap water as well a ways back.
When they changed from Chlorine gas I was pissed and suspicious.
So, did some research.
Their reasoning?
Chloramine is much more effective, longer lasting and safer to use and store.
And, it does a great job killing the "bad bugs."
Also kills the good bugs, but has not affected my cloning.
Far as I can tell, that is.

Did a DWC double-blind with rainwater 6 years ago and saw no difference until 4 week into bloom when the rainwater girls showed a calcium/magnesium deficiency.
So, if you are saying Chloramine inhibits cloning, looks like I have another experiment to do, yah?.

Just took 4 cuttings.
I'll root 2 in rainwater and 2 in tap water.
When the fine root hairs show, I'll pop them under the 'scope and have a look.
Might take a while, but I'll get back to you on it.

If you have the time and resources, perhaps you could run the same test and we'll compare results.
Nothing more satisfying to me that mythkilling and gathering proven facts.

Do not take offense at my scepticism.
There is so much fiercly believed bullshit about pot flying around the forums that I try to test everything before I accept it as fact.

Sloppy thinking seems to be the nature of the beast so, I read everything, but take it with 3 pounds of salt until I can prove it to myself.

Aloha and mahalo.
Weezard

 

[Hold Your Fire]

Glad I have a well. It's not very hard either. Very small pinch of Earth Juice natural ph down crystals and I'm good to go. I also have no calcium deficiencies.

 

[FreezerBoy]

i know what happens and my 4 165 power cloners knows what happens, they don't like chloramine.

Power cloners don't count. They're infamous for working one day and not the next for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with chloramine. What other "proof" do you have that it will harm my non bacterial DWC?

 

[krunchbubble]

the experiments that were done was with not only with 3rd street hydro in oakland, but growers choice in san leandro. if you go to 3rd street hydro, they are the "ones" when it comes to water quality. talk to shawn the owner and he will gladly explain i great detail how many experiments, under microscope, he has done, with some companies, when it comes to bay area water and especially chloramine. he just gives away filtered water to anyone who wants it for the purpose of showing people the difference in quality.
and i have been in growers choice with company reps who also agrees that chloramine is an organic killer and it is manditory to filter it out.
also, any store that brews there own vermicrop or similar product, DOES NOT use chloramine contaminated water for the fact that it kills all beneficial bacteria.
not only have i proved to myself that chloramine kills with my own grows and experiments. but companies that rely on water quality for there products, as well as hydro stores agree and will tell you the same thing.
one more thing. if you using a cloner and are starting to get roots, change out your res with chloramine tainted water and see what happens....

 

[krunchbubble]

something i found...

http://www.growingedge.com/magazine/back_issues/view_article.php3?AID=190127

Don't Kill Your Microbiology

Organic gardeners using bio-extraction solutions or compost teas should use purified water. Anyone gardening with living micro-organisms such as beneficial bacteria, fungi, nematodes, mycorrhizae, and trichoderma must have chlorine-free and contaminant-free water in order for those helpful microbes to survive and flourish. Unfortunately, it's a rare grower who with a water source that's perfect for her prized plants. Letting city water sit out overnight may get rid of some free chlorine, but this technique won't work to reduce levels of chloramines or other contaminants in the water.

What are the applications of chloramines?

Chloramines can be used as bleach, disinfectants and oxidators.

Water disinfection with chloramines

When chloramines are used as a disinfectant, ammonia is added to chlorine treated water. Ammonia is added after chlorine, because this causes CT values to be lower than when ammonia is added primarily.
Chloramines are as effective as chlorine for the deactivation of bacteria and other microorganisms, however the reaction mechanism is slower. Chloramines, like chlorine, are oxidators. Chloramines kill bacteria by penetration of the cell wall and blockage of the metabolism Monochloramine is the most effective disinfectant. It reacts directly with amino acids in the bacterial DNA.

Is drinking water disinfected using chloramines?

United States
Chloramines are applied more and more often in the United States as an alternative for chlorine during secundary disinfection of drinking water. in the year 2002, 20% of the US drinking water production companies used chloramines.

 

[Wait...What?]

it beats cholera/dysentery

 

[Tony Danza]

I would definitely take a hydro shops word with a grain of salt. I'm sure they really like selling R/O units.

 

[CannabisSativa]

That's why I always use distilled water...I like to make sure nothing is in it.

 

[gladysvjubb]

Ditto!

 

[FreezerBoy]

So far it's only killing stuff that I won't let into the garden in the first place. Sounds more like a feature than a bug.

 

[beejium]

water here has chloramine in it. never had a problem with my aquariums. my plants get water from the aquarium which has live plants and mega bio filtration. then the aquarium gets topped off and levels within the aquarium re-balance in a day. of course i have to drop the ph and i add a pinch of organics for the plants. the ppm is a little high, but the plants look so green that i am not willing to change my method until problems arise. all my water comes from the tap and does not sit or receive any chemicals before it enters the aquarium.