SR71 Strainguide and Clones

[Thundurkel]

S4vvy - Maybe I don't understand the situation very well, however don't expect me to feel sorry for the grower that was trying to make more money off a strain he was hording. You can make money in this business off swag if you put your mind to it. Bottom line, strains are meant to be shared, not horded for money purposes.

It doesn't sound like his friend was hoarding it to make a bunch of money off of it was more like he put A LOT of work into the strain and wanted to give it to people that deserved it in his opinion and has every rite to do so. What is fucked up is that BS is going to make tons of money off of his hard work.. I guard my Thunder Goo strain from the same shit cuz I know how hard the guy worked on it only to lose his garden and all his friends didn't keep moms and he just wanted people who were going to grow it for medicinal needs and not money so I see where S4vvy is coming from.. For those that claim who fucking cares who made what is kind of a lame way to look at things. Those folks you could fucking care less about put their ass on the line and freedom to do proper selection in times before all the 215rs popped up so show some respect for breeders that helped create that fine smoke you love so fucking much....

 

[JlMH4LPERT]

I work 2 jobs and attend school fulltime and run a garden amongst other
hobbies. I don't wanna hear that some dude who mated 2 plants has the
right to tell people what strains they can and cannot grow,
(plus now that it is "rebranded" its no longer his anyways so stop complaining!!!)

If someone takes a plant (they didnt create cause they arent god) mates it
with another plant (again) and makes a new strain tell me again how that is
not a form of rebranding?

What is this secret sour grapes strain consist of that is so great? Cuase the
only way the breeder coulda gotten their hands on it is prob due to the
awesome oppurtunity we have created for each other in CA.

Its not that i dont care about others hard work... Its these breeders who think
they deserve the nobel prize for their work when really too easily forget to
give credit where it is due... this somewhat commercial MJ community has
benefitted them no mater what way they look at it...

People keep in mind CA may be one of 20 or so decriminalized states but
there are VERY FEW where clones are vended... everyone one needs to
appreciate the community we have all helped build here and embrace the
fact that shit is better and more available cause of EVERYONE.

All MJ over 10% THC content on the planet is more than likely from someone
elses miracle breeding... do you really think taking two plants that are already
potent and mixing them to make ANOTHER potent plant is that amazing of a thing
for a person to do?

Sure you get burned once in a while but bluesky replaces almost all
legitimately weak clones or even suspect hermi plants (that didnt hermi on
me) even ones that are a month old!

SRK - Casey jones did stretch to the max hieght alotted to my micro grow...
but it has stopped after the first 3 weeks or so... I do belive however that
the gaps that were created in between the nodes from the strech are now
going to fill in for the last 4 weeks... Since i Flower under low wattage most
of my 8 weeks strains go 9 weeks and thats how long i plan to run her!

Im at 5 weeks now... (under 200w CFL, switchin to my 150wHPS)

 

[Bulldog11]

JimH4LPert - I couldn't agree more. Everything you said is right on. No way this guy who claims that he created this strain didn't mix already established genetics from somebody else. So my question is, are the people before this guy mad at him for stealing there genetics? and so on and so forth. This argument that S4vvy makes is absolutely nonsense. Unless the breeder traveled to the birth place of the genetics of these strains, then found good seeds to bring back to have breeding projects with them. Mixed genetics and selected the best pheno types. Then maybe he could claim this strain as his. Other wise it is all bull crap. Anybody can mix two strains of California grade herbs and create something worth keeping. If that doesn't prove the point then I don't think S4vvy will every quite understand.

 

[mjactivist]

JimH4LPert - I couldn't agree more. Everything you said is right on. No way this guy who claims that he created this strain didn't mix already established genetics from somebody else. So my question is, are the people before this guy mad at him for stealing there genetics? and so on and so forth. This argument that S4vvy makes is absolutely nonsense. Unless the breeder traveled to the birth place of the genetics of these strains, then found good seeds to bring back to have breeding projects with them. Mixed genetics and selected the best pheno types. Then maybe he could claim this strain as his. Other wise it is all bull crap. Anybody can mix two strains of California grade herbs and create something worth keeping. If that doesn't prove the point then I don't think S4vvy will every quite understand.

Yea, totally agree.
I think someone would have to stabilize the line. Or at least work the line for a few generations before they can say that the work was theirs. Work out the pheno type ratio at the very least.
Taking elites and crossing them doesn't require any breeding skill!

 

[Thundurkel]

Yea, totally agree.
I think someone would have to stabilize the line. Or at least work the line for a few generations before they can say that the work was theirs. Work out the pheno type ratio at the very least.
Taking elites and crossing them doesn't require any breeding skill!

yea taking elites doesn't require breeding skills but my question for that is what about someone who crosses somebody else's work with their favorite clone and then goes about selecting the right pheno's and back cross it with itself and then onto someone else's really good work does this still mean you didn't create your own strain?? Not trying to cause any shit or fight with anybody just honestly curious about that cuz we all can't get out hands on landraces ect .. I totally agree that tossing pollen one time with elite's can be done by anybody but would it not become "Your Strain" after crossing it back a few times and then out to some other wonderful strain?? I dunno I think it would


edit - Ooops I didn't see Jim pretty much said the same question ...

 

[JlMH4LPERT]

Cmon logically if we are creating medicine here, its to help... withholding
medications, this sort of reasoning is nothing short of selfish

for waht its worth however to all the hard workers out there... thank you
for your genetics, im not trying to hate, or be bitter but let you know your
stuff is out there doing some good, just hopinh to make you feel a bit better

One last note: Are you to belive that all the people in the world and you
are the only breeder that has thought to cross the same plants?
I couldnt even imagine that could ever be proven.

Join the community there are alot of good things going on here, keeping to yourself
is only hurting your cause and our very own... sorry to waste space i jsut want this
to be more productive than it seems and it seems to be a constant battle...

 

[Rainman]

I hate to be the Devil's advocate but I will anyway. The arguement that you can just rub to elites together and make another elite does not hold water at all. It takes an incredible amount of skill to create even a decent cut from breeding. Time to grow, select, grow again, select, and grow again. You are talking years in some cases! Also, I havent seen any elite males being sold so you as the breeder have to figure out how to replicate 2 female plants! And come up with a female clone that will not herm or show traits considered undesirable to the grower. How many here have done that?? I have been making my own crosses and seeds for a while and I know for a fact that it requires more knowledge and patience than people here are given credit for. It aint easy and it is damn near an art form as opposed to science. Now who would want to have that hard work and effort whored out to the big clone vendors so they can make $20 bucks a pop off your gear and!! And!!! You are not getting a dime for it!! So dont give me the piece about the community needing it. It costs the community out the ass as well. The only reason it was stolen/sold/gifted/whatever was for money!! The guy got the clone (yes with restricions) and sold it anyway to make a buck!! That makes breeders tighten up faster than a virgin at a prison rodeo!!! I think Savvy has a tighter grasp on this thing than he is being given credit for. For the record I will say that I have some ladies that will never see the light of day(public) Some I made and some where gifted. If you can play be the limited rules that breeders have set(at least the ones I know) you will get clones of all types and only a few will be restricted. Easy choice to make if its me!! Keep some secure and you can do what you want with others. Everyone here, except the employees, will know that in their hearts its cold to have stolen a guys work, renamed it, and you now start slangin it as your own. Sounds like big business is alive and well in out community! Peace!

 

[Bulldog11]

Great points Rainman, the only argument I have with that is where did you get the genetics to begin with? There are no elite males making rounds in Cali but the male had to come from somewhere and that is most likely from a seed bank or a male from some bag seed. So unless you have been breeding for years and only using your females and males from past crosses, then you had to "steal" somebody's genetics from somewhere. Where is the line drawn? I do agree when you said, "I have been making my own crosses and seeds for a while and I know for a fact that it requires more knowledge and patience than people here are given credit for. It aint easy and it is damn near an art form as opposed to science." To this I say thank you because you are helping further cannabis genetics. I would only have to say to you that you should share these genetics based on the needs of other people and not on the money you may lose handing out the clones.

 

[Thundurkel]

Ok so the asshole has come out to play.... When it ALL comes down to it, this whole shit is MONEY!!! Sure there are those who only grow to give away meds ect but A LOT of people in this business even good hearted folks I've met on here still want to make money off this. Is this wrong? No fuck no!! But don't get mad at breeders who took years of their life working on something, this may be all that person has and was their way to live comfortable not rich just comfy and then some dick who you thought was cool and was only going to ENJOY you gear buy smoking and growing for self. Then turns around and give's that gear to the Mc Donald's of Cannabis which will end up making the money off that persons work. Sure you say it's helping other people get a little relief that they most likely could find in another strain gives tons of grief to the breeder. See I get sick of these dick's talking bad on breeders who keep genetics close, for all you know the breed may not want the cuts sold for $20 and just wanted to live comfy selling his wonderful strain he spent years on for $5 a cut so EVERYBODY could enjoy it. But that guy is a selfish asshole right??

I'm with Rainman, I also have rules with some of the cuts I've been so lucky to get and will NEVER whore them out and for that reason I will mostly likely have a garden FULL of exotic strains that you will never get the pleasure of smoking....

 

[srk]

Hey, guess what I have a great idea. Lets start a new thread. Lets call it Sour Grapes/Grape Stomper Bullshit Argument.

Who really gives a shit? Get over it.

So my casey jones is a few inches taller than my hindus pretty far in to veg. The CJ's are tall and skinny where the hindus seem short and stout. Trying to decide what to do with the CJ's either top them or throw them in to flower earlier then the hindus. Any input?

 

[Thundurkel]

Yea I got Casey coming to me in a week or two and can't wait to see how she does...

 

[S4vvy]

JimH4LPert - I couldn't agree more. Everything you said is right on. No way this guy who claims that he created this strain didn't mix already established genetics from somebody else. So my question is, are the people before this guy mad at him for stealing there genetics? and so on and so forth. This argument that S4vvy makes is absolutely nonsense. Unless the breeder traveled to the birth place of the genetics of these strains, then found good seeds to bring back to have breeding projects with them. Mixed genetics and selected the best pheno types. Then maybe he could claim this strain as his. Other wise it is all bull crap. Anybody can mix two strains of California grade herbs and create something worth keeping. If that doesn't prove the point then I don't think S4vvy will every quite understand.

Umm... what argument am i making? I explained how things ACTUALLY went down, i didn't get on my soapbox and start trying to force my ideals down peoples throats. The guy who created this strain isn't crying about it, i'm not either. It is what it is, and everything i said is true. As far as me not understanding you.... are you serious? So you assume i don't understand because i don't agree with you. Don't project your ignorance onto me.

Back on topic

Grape Stomper/Sour Grapes is Purple Elephant x Chemdog/Sour Diesel. The chem/sd was purple male found in a pack of seeds from Elite Genetics. The Purple Elephant is a plant that was passed directly to Keyplay by Jojorizo (RIP). Jojo never told us what it really is but we speculate that it's a Urkle Hybrid or an S1. Grows very similar to Urk, slightly different bud structure, maybe a lil faster in veg, and yeilds more. She's not as colorful as urk at 8 weeks but she's stronger at week 8. Oh.. and the smell is more like dogshit than floral purple skittles smell of urk. That's about it

Good luck to those that get their hands on her. She needs to be pimpslapped to yeild well but she has it in her

 

[Bulldog11]

Long story short I am glad whoever was trying to hoard Grape Stomper lost it. Good for everybody.

I just finished up 6 Hindu Skunks and 6 (harborside) Sour Diesel. The Sour Diesel is still drying but looks like the yield will be pathetic. The dry weight of the Hindu was staggering. 892g under one 600 watt sodium. The quality of the Hindu isn't the best ever but you can't beat the yield. Thanks again Blue Sky.

 

[sound healer]

bulldog how long did you veg the hindu skunk to get that yield??? and how many plants? i'm working with a 600w too, but went immediately to 12/12. Maybe a week or two would be good next time?

 

[opt1c]

2 weeks of veg will get you a nice 3ft hindu skunk monster from my experience; they are a great producer; the high is just too narcotic for myself but i'm sure a lot of patients benefit from it

 

[Santa Cruz 420]

bulldog how long did you veg the hindu skunk to get that yield??? and how many plants? i'm working with a 600w too, but went immediately to 12/12. Maybe a week or two would be good next time?

hey thats about 2 lbs a light..a 600 at that wow...and i think hs is almost as good as the elites but thats just me

 

[Norkali]

Would anybody mind posting what clones have been at Blue sky lately? Is Casey Jones available consistently now? Haven't been down there yet and want to make the trip a good one. Thanks guys...

 

[Bulldog11]

Sound Healer - I vegged for 18 days with 6 Hindu's and 6 (harborside) Sour Diesel with two 600's. I have always vegged for 2 weeks with the Hindu and got three foot tall ladies. I gave the extra half week this time because of the Sour Diesel that needed a couple extra days. I always top my Hindu's once in veg also, right as the 5-7 node appears. Hope this helps.

 

[JlMH4LPERT]

Current Strains

Current Strains

In the book - CaseyJones, BubbleGum, DeepChunkxStrawberryCough,
HinduSkunk, JacktheRipper, PurpleKush, Querkle, WhiteWidow

Also spiradically available or coming soon - Headband, GreenCrack and Blueberry
(forgot the 'nicer sounding' name they have for CRACK , some kid outside the club
told me this was pineapple express, i just thought it was a movie)

Hopefully some others will chime in cause there are surely some i am forgetting

 

[Norkali]

Thanks Jim!