PHuck, All this PH shit is making my head spin

[CoonLover]

I can't seem to find in store's stuff to increase soil acidity. Every place keeps trying to sell me Lime. That increases soil alkalinity, am I wrong?
Anyone know of some tricks I can find around the house.

I read somewhere epson salt solution works. Is that right?
Damn, I am lost and confused.

current PH is 7.5

 

[BurnOne]

I created a thread just for you.
It's called "Organics for Beginners" and I made it a STICKY so it would STICK out so you would see it.
Education will cure your confusion.
Now go read.
Burn1

 

[CoonLover]

fuck, I am just not getting it. I can't seem to wrap my head around it. It's because I haven't wrapped my lips around a joint in almost 2 months and am getting super flustered.

it's not your post/thread, it's my ADD riddled brain off of my meds for a 45 days.

 

[been]

Nutrients will bring down the pH to your liking. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the microorganisms regulate the pH directly around the root zone, so you might not have to worry about it at all.

 

[headfortrinity]

sulphur products lower ph. coffee grounds, lemon peels or cottonseed meal also lower ph.
but it would be best to add a high acidic soil mix to your outdoor garden.

 

[CoonLover]

Most sites are saying to have it well blended into the soil before planting.
Plants are already growing, do I knock the root ball out and replant?
Is there not something that can be poured in?
I have not an idea what my medium consist of, and half the stuff you list I can't find within 160 miles one way.

FUCK THE MID-WEST AND FUCK IOWA
god damn cornfields

 

[headfortrinity]

you can lower the ph of your water using vinegar at one teaspoon per gallon let it sit and test it if possible this will lower the ph by a full point. when using vinegar if the water sits overnight the ph will rise

 

[CoonLover]

sulphur products lower ph. coffee grounds, lemon peels or cottonseed meal also lower ph.
but it would be best to add a high acidic soil mix to your outdoor garden.

Coffee grounds ? un used or used

Decent soil isn't easy to come by, there is NO garden supply stores near and menards, home depot, lowes and wal-mart are the only places and they all sell the same shit.
Lemon peels? shred like cheese and place on top or mix it in?

 

[BurnOne]

Organic pH issues

I hear a lot of people asking or talking about the pH of their organic soil mix or organic nute solution and how they might correct or adjust it. pH in organics is not an issue like it is in synthetic growing.
The best place to settle the pH issues in organics is within the grow medium. A medium rich in humates (humus) is the place to start. Humates work to "buffer" the pH of organic mediums and the nutes you pour (or mix) into it.
Humates come from compost, worm castings and bottled humus. If you use a peat based medum, use dolomite lime to raise the pH of the acidic peat. Dolomite should be used in any soil or soiless medium to provide magnesium and calcium. But since we are talking about pH here, I'll mention dolomite lime's pH correction benefits.
A medium of coir has a pH near neutral (or 7.0). But humates are still neded to allow uptake of organic nutrients that are outside a near neutral pH range.
With an active medium rich in humates you can pour in nutes like Pure Blend Pro, Earth Juice and guano teas way outside the optimum pH range without worry. The humus will allow the nutes to be taken up through the roots, even at such an extreme pH reading.
So throw those pH meters away folks and enjoy the ease and safety of organic gardening.

Burn1

 

[CoonLover]

Organic pH issues

I hear a lot of people asking or talking about the pH of their organic soil mix or organic nute solution and how they might correct or adjust it. pH in organics is not an issue like it is in synthetic growing.
The best place to settle the pH issues in organics is within the grow medium. A medium rich in humates (humus) is the place to start. Humates work to "buffer" the pH of organic mediums and the nutes you pour (or mix) into it.
Humates come from compost, worm castings and bottled humus. If you use a peat based medum, use dolomite lime to raise the pH of the acidic peat. Dolomite should be used in any soil or soiless medium to provide magnesium and calcium. But since we are talking about pH here, I'll mention dolomite lime's pH correction benefits.
A medium of coir has a pH near neutral (or 7.0). But humates are still neded to allow uptake of organic nutrients that are outside a near neutral pH range.
With an active medium rich in humates you can pour in nutes like Pure Blend Pro, Earth Juice and guano teas way outside the optimum pH range without worry. The humus will allow the nutes to be taken up through the roots, even at such an extreme pH reading.
So throw those pH meters away folks and enjoy the ease and safety of organic gardening.

Burn1

I'm lost, it didn't make sense in http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53792

Don't know why it should make any more sense in this thread.
I read your sticky, it stuck right out. I also read many PH threads when I did a search. I'm just not understanding how to fix MY problem in my sitsuation.
Half the shit discussed I can't find anywhere and other stuff is DAYS away if I ordered it.

Thanks for the help anyways..
Again it's not you, it's me.

 

[headfortrinity]

Coffee grounds ? un used or used

Decent soil isn't easy to come by, there is NO garden supply stores near and menards, home depot, lowes and wal-mart are the only places and they all sell the same shit.
Lemon peels? shred like cheese and place on top or mix it in?

coffee grounds: either will work just start out with a small amount.
lemon peels: shredded and mixed in
acidic planting soil: african violet potting can usually be found at those places

 

[headfortrinity]

for your situation I would put a sprinkle of coffee grounds around the plants maybe a couple tablespoons and work them into the top layer. then water with vinegar adjusted water. get an aquarium or swimming pool ph kit so you don't get the water's ph wrong. that would be bad. then a few days after doing this, test the soil ph a few inches below the surface with a soil test kit from lowes.
Also plants naturally adjust the ph surrounding their roots so no need to go to extremes unless your seeing nutrient lockouts or adverse reactions, just start out slow with the ph changes.

 

[CoonLover]

for your situation I would put a sprinkle of coffee grounds around the plants maybe a couple tablespoons and work them into the top layer. then water with vinegar adjusted water. get an aquarium or swimming pool ph kit so you don't get the water's ph wrong. that would be bad. then a few days after doing this, test the soil ph a few inches below the surface with a soil test kit from lowes.
Also plants naturally adjust the ph surrounding their roots so no need to go to extremes unless your seeing nutrient lockouts or adverse reactions, just start out slow with the ph changes.

Thanks, ill give it a try.
I am also going to test the bag of soil and not the soil from the plants. Too see if it was well water I was using.

Thanks.

 

[pinecone]

I'm lost, it didn't make sense in http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53792

Don't know why it should make any more sense in this thread.
I read your sticky, it stuck right out. I also read many PH threads when I did a search. I'm just not understanding how to fix MY problem in my sitsuation.
Half the shit discussed I can't find anywhere and other stuff is DAYS away if I ordered it.

The organics for beginners thread is pretty easy to understand and I buy the argument 100%. Most people that have PH issues are doing hydroponics or using mediums like coco.

If you insist on trying to lower your PH Vinegar would do the trick.

Pinecone

These plants were grown in Fox Farms Ocean Forest with water that PHs around 8.

 

[BurnOne]

for your situation I would put a sprinkle of coffee grounds around the plants maybe a couple tablespoons and work them into the top layer. then water with vinegar adjusted water. get an aquarium or swimming pool ph kit so you don't get the water's ph wrong. that would be bad. then a few days after doing this, test the soil ph a few inches below the surface with a soil test kit from lowes.
Also plants naturally adjust the ph surrounding their roots so no need to go to extremes unless your seeing nutrient lockouts or adverse reactions, just start out slow with the ph changes.

BULLPUSSY!
This is organics. Humic acids and biological activity within the soil buffer pH so the plants can take up nutes at extreme pH outside the range required by synthetic fertilizer growers.
Make yourself a good soil mix like LC's Mix and you can throw that pH meter away. This is a proven fact and it's been used by nature forever.
Burn1

 

[CoonLover]

LOL, first I have ever heard bullpussy.

Good news, I tested the soil right out of the bag and with the new water (ice mountain 2.5 gallon jug) and I hit 6.5

So I am guessing it was the well water

Burnone, will flushing them all with the new water fix the problem or is the soil tainted?

 

[BurnOne]

Burnone, will flushing them all with the new water fix the problem

What problem?
I see many growers with great gardens get hold of a pH meter and go directly into panic mode. "Oh no!!! My pH is (enter anything other than 6.5 here). What shall I do? What shall I do?"
But their garden is lush. They then begin to post about pH adjustment and test everything in their grow room. But the plants are just fine.
So, what problem are you having?
Burn1

 

[CoonLover]

What problem?
I see many growers with great gardens get hold of a pH meter and go directly into panic mode. "Oh no!!! My pH is (enter anything other than 6.5 here). What shall I do? What shall I do?"
But their garden is lush. They then begin to post about pH adjustment and test everything in their grow room. But the plants are just fine.
So, what problem are you having?
Burn1

My plants are all looking a dingy yellow green and one has one of its 2 large leaves has turned yellow and curled up, seems brittle .

(the picture is not of the affected plant/s.) They are sleeping. I snap some when the awake.
Its to show their size.

 

[BurnOne]

What exactly is in the soil and how much?
Burn1

 

[Microbeman]

Please listen to Burn1. Fiddling with pH is completely unnecessary. No matter where you are, you can find a medium to grow plants in. Are there no plants growing outdoors. Find a spot where healthy wild plants are growing and take some soil; mix it with sphagnum peat if you can get some. You will learn to make your own soil eventually. Worms make nice soil from cardboard and newspaper mixed with kitchen scraps.