There is no such thing as organic HYDRIO

[Trillyen]

No wonder no one ever answers my questions on how to do a organic hydro grow there is no such thing

i tried using a mix of ej grow and bloom in my bubble bucket system, and i also mixed in some sugar daddy with some bud swell, and it bubbled up like crazy like it was a compost tea or something and all my plants fell over, but i saved them with the gh nutes, but damn it sure would be nice if there really was a organic hydro

i have the ej products but just the grow and bloom i am gonna supplement the other nutes from the ej products with bud swell and sugar daddy!!, but damn i dont always wanna have to bubble it for a day that will suck is there any other products that i can buy that i wont have to do this with????

is sugar daddy organic???

any way

CAN ANY BODY TELL ME HOW TO DO A ORGANIC HYDRO GROW

AND IN A ORGANIC SOIL GROW, DOES PH MATTER

thanks!!!

 

[Italiano715]

No wonder no one ever answers my questions on how to do a organic hydro grow there is no such thing

i tried using a mix of ej grow and bloom in my bubble bucket system, and i also mixed in some sugar daddy with some bud swell, and it bubbled up like crazy like it was a compost tea or something and all my plants fell over, but i saved them with the gh nutes, but damn it sure would be nice if there really was a organic hydro

i have the ej products but just the grow and bloom i am gonna supplement the other nutes from the ej products with bud swell and sugar daddy!!, but damn i dont always wanna have to bubble it for a day that will suck is there any other products that i can buy that i wont have to do this with????

is sugar daddy organic???

any way

CAN ANY BODY TELL ME HOW TO DO A ORGANIC HYDRO GROW

AND IN A ORGANIC SOIL GROW, DOES PH MATTER

thanks!!!

What is Organic Gardening?
Organic gardening typically refers to gardening that uses on organic methods. Something is considered "organic" when it comes from the earth. For example, animals and plants are organic. Anything that comes from animals such as fecal matter is also organic. So anything that used in organic gardening needs to be organic and not artificial. Since water is organic, you can use both hydroponics and organic or semi-organic gardening in the same garden.
In addition to nutrients your plants also need oxygen and nitrogen to live and be able. It also has to have a proper pH (potential Hydrogen) balance. When you use hydroponics in addition to organic fertilizer and other organic gardening methods, you can have healthier, better plants.

Your growing media can also be vermiculite, perlite (pearlite), peat, coco-husk (coir), straw as well as other organic materials. You can use organic fertilizer from many different sources including cow, chicken, pig, and sheep manure, seaweed, bat guano, fish emulsion and entrails, urine, bone and blood, as well as many other natural sources. The problem with organic fertilizer is the obvious; that you must consider any possible health concerns.





Basically in a nut shell, using poo of animals is organic. So just make a tea out of some guano or something. If there was no such thing as organic hydro why would someone have that as a forum thread?



By the way PH matters in all growing aspects, whether it be soil or hydro.


Hope this helps considering you say no one answers your questions.

Below is an example of a organic nutrient solution for hydroponic, soil, and coco

 

[Trillyen]

ok thanks but im still wondering is sugar daddy organic, and if it isnt if i decide to use it does that mean im not organic any more???

thanks for the response

i just dont understand how im suspose to check my ph of my compost tea when it is black, do i do it after i water??

and even then if the ph is to low, how the heck do i raise it just by adding baking soda to my water, compost tea??

makes no sense

im in the dark

my plants are starting to flower and i need some serious help!!!

 

[pray4pistils]

Trillyen, I think you should figure out the general science of growing before you devote yourself to a meticulous organic regimen. To answer your questions, though, pH is checked by feeding with an "x" pH and then testing the run off water. It'll be "x" or something +/-. Invest in some proper pH up/down and you'll be good to go. Do NOT add baking soda.

Understand that organic growing only works if you've got bacterias and fungus in the grow medium. They digest the organic nutes and convert them to material that the plants can absorb. If you don't have the beneficial microorganisms built up your plants will starve. Good news is that once you have everything dialed in you won't have to worry about pH at all. It becomes a self-regulating system. You're not "there" yet, though. So, get to work.

 

[MEDI-EVIL]

ask organichydro, (the member)..
good luck.

 

[Trillyen]

Organic pH issues

I hear a lot of people asking or talking about the pH of their organic soil mix or organic nute solution and how they might correct or adjust it. pH in organics is not an issue like it is in synthetic growing.
The best place to settle the pH issues in organics is within the grow medium. A medium rich in humates (humus) is the place to start. Humates work to "buffer" the pH of organic mediums and the nutes you pour (or mix) into it.
Humates come from compost, worm castings and bottled humus. If you use a peat based medum, use dolomite lime to raise the pH of the acidic peat. Dolomite should be used in any soil or soiless medium to provide magnesium and calcium. But since we are talking about pH here, I'll mention dolomite lime's pH correction benefits.
A medium of coir has a pH near neutral (or 7.0). But humates are still neded to allow uptake of organic nutrients that are outside a near neutral pH range.
With an active medium rich in humates you can pour in nutes like Pure Blend Pro, Earth Juice and guano teas with pH anywhere from 4 to 9 without worry. The humus will allow the nutes to be taken up through the roots, even at such an extreme pH reading.
So throw those pH meters away folks and enjoy the ease and safety of organic gardening.

Burn1

so does the previous statment not relate to hydro then i mean if its organic it shouldnt matter whether its hydro or soil am i right

CAN SOME ONE ANSWER IF SUGAR DADDY IS ORGANIC OR NOT!!!! PLEASE!!!!

even so in soil what does this mean he says i dont have to check my ph

i think im over ferting my mothers i fert them every 3rd watering maybe thats to much

how can u tell if a plant has nute burn???

when is it time to nute my new clones in my flowering room???

some people say to check the ph some say dont i mean i know what works for one may not work for the other but i really would like to not have to check my ph or adjust it if possible

the run off water of my plants is like 4.0 or some thing like that i mean if that really mattered my plants would be dead right, and they look pretty dang good ya know im gonna post some pics k!!!

 

[brendon420]

you can go hydro completely organic


use teas made with nettles for veg and comfrey for flower. also throw in some kelp and you dont have to spend a dime
if you want a thread where there is some good info let me know

 

[Trillyen]

yea brenden hit me up with that thread i need all the help i can get

IS SUGAR DADDY ORGANIC

IS SUGAR DADDY ORGANIC

IS SUGAR DADDY ORGANIC

IS SUGAR DADDY ORGANIC

IS SUGAR DADDY ORGANIC

IS SUGAR DADDY ORGANIC

IS SUGAR DADDY ORGANIC

 

[Trillyen]

here is some pics of my crop notice some of the leafs yellowing on the bottom

all ive used so far to fert is a compost tea organic nute program every 3 days or so consisting of dark energy 1/2 tea spoon liquid karma 1/2 tea spoon 1 tbsp molasses, 1 cup ewc, 1 tbsp kelp 1-0-2, liquid sea weed maxi crop, and bat guano 10-2-1

and i let it brew for like36 hrs til it gets a good bubble foam to it then i add, i even cut it with water incase it qwas to strong up until my last nute, but my bottom leafs still seem to be dieing

is this normal i know all they are are stored energy but ive seen pics of huge plants where none of the leafs are dieing how can i achieve this

i want my plants to be ALL around healthy

how is this acheived

these are pics of my flowering rrom and my veg room as of 15 mins ago!!!!

let me know if im doing anything the wrong way!!!

 

[pray4pistils]

Trillyen, SugarDaddy is NOT organic. I gave Technaflora a phone call for ya. Easy. Done. As for your plants they look fine to me.

That little spot on the lower leaf looks like it could be a potassium deficiency, but it's clear that it hasn't affected the rest of the plant. You probably needed some during recent growth and the plant moved it from the bottom to the top. I'd just make sure that the stuff is available going forward and consider that spot to be yesterday's news.

 

[Trillyen]

hey thanks for the help man, but what the hell sgar daddy aint organic but I thought all it was was amino acids and sucharen't those naturalso does this mean I can't use itis there such a thing as a organic chemical grow, lol

 

[pray4pistils]

does this mean I can't use itis there such a thing as a organic chemical grow

Sure, you can use it. It'd simply be a non-organic part of what is otherwise a pure organic grow. It's not like the SugarDaddy would upset or unbalance anything. To keep your organic true playa status, though, you should keep feeding that unsulphured molasses.

Do make a point to beef up on the bacterias. Plants can't tell the difference between digested organic nutes and synthetic stuff. So long as it is fully broken down it'll be absorbed. But, it must be broken down and that's what the bacterias do.

 

[Trillyen]

Sure, you can use it. It'd simply be a non-organic part of what is otherwise a pure organic grow. It's not like the SugarDaddy would upset or unbalance anything. To keep your organic true playa status, though, you should keep feeding that unsulphured molasses.

Do make a point to beef up on the bacterias. Plants can't tell the difference between digested organic nutes and synthetic stuff. So long as it is fully broken down it'll be absorbed. But, it must be broken down and that's what the bacterias do.

ahh i see and i thank u

so does the bubbling procedure break it down

i decided tonight to just use fert ( chemicals ) on my moms like peters and other stuff but for my buds i want only the best

tonight i actually used a GH hydro nute on my soil moms that was perfectly ph balanced, im just gonna wait until my flowers tell me they need a good nute to use some of my nutes on them such as my EJ and my bud swell

i was thinking for my flowers first nute i was gonna use the EJ bloom, some bud swell, and a 2-4-1 fish emulsion, would this be ok, and of course a cup of ewc, and a tbsp of molasses in a gallon of water would this be good??

thanks for all your help man, but yeah this weekend i have sat aside to catch up on alot of reading i need to do and i also have ALOT of cloning i need to do also!!!

thanks man!!!

 

[pray4pistils]

so does the bubbling procedure break it down

Yes, the bubbling itself aerates the water which supports the aerobic (air-loving) bacterias that you need to digest organic nutes. It also kills anerobic (air-hating) bacterias that cause infections, smell like rot, etc.

tonight i actually used a GH hydro nute on my soil moms that was perfectly ph balanced

You've got FloraNova now, correct? What pH did you end up with? Did you measure your pH before feeding and then also the run off?

i was thinking for my flowers first nute i was gonna use the EJ bloom, some bud swell, and a 2-4-1 fish emulsion, would this be ok, and of course a cup of ewc, and a tbsp of molasses in a gallon of water would this be good??

Ya, bubble all that together for 24 hours (and not much longer before use). Add some SubCulture-B to jump start the batch with a very diverse brew of bacterias. Or, at least go outside and grab a handful of clean soil and drop that into your bubbling bucket (+ all the other stuff you mentioned). That'll deliver valuable local bacterias. I prefer to get mine from the moist ground beside an active stream near my house.

I also highly recommend using both the FloraNova and the organic nutes together. One supplements the other. The FN makes sure that the basic compounds are always present while the poop and other natural bits deliver the dessert. It's beneficial to periodically switch back and forth between using only the FloraNova and a blend of that and the organic stuff. When you're only feeding the FN you'll want to get your pH correct at around 5.8 (+/- .2). With a mostly organic batch you can temporarily let the pH drift up to 6.8 or so without any fear.

My method isn't pure organic growing (most of the time). The hardliners around here will tell you this is all wrong. Buuuut... it ain't. -not if you're purely interested in results vs. clique approval, anyway. You'll get synthetic nute output while keeping organic taste. Go ahead and switch to 100% organics about 2.5 weeks before harvest (paying special attention to the bacteria population). Then, flush for the last week with plain water. Your buds will be fat n' heavy as well as clean as a whistle.

Dig it.

thanks man!!!

No problem, mon.

 

[Trillyen]

Yes, the bubbling itself aerates the water which supports the aerobic (air-loving) bacterias that you need to digest organic nutes. It also kills anerobic (air-hating) bacterias that cause infections, smell like rot, etc.



You've got FloraNova now, correct? What pH did you end up with? Did you measure your pH before feeding and then also the run off?



Ya, bubble all that together for 24 hours (and not much longer before use). Add some SubCulture-B to jump start the batch with a very diverse brew of bacterias. Or, at least go outside and grab a handful of clean soil and drop that into your bubbling bucket (+ all the other stuff you mentioned). That'll deliver valuable local bacterias. I prefer to get mine from the moist ground beside an active stream near my house.

I also highly recommend using both the FloraNova and the organic nutes together. One supplements the other. The FN makes sure that the basic compounds are always present while the poop and other natural bits deliver the dessert. It's beneficial to periodically switch back and forth between using only the FloraNova and a blend of that and the organic stuff. When you're only feeding the FN you'll want to get your pH correct at around 5.8 (+/- .2). With a mostly organic batch you can temporarily let the pH drift up to 6.8 or so without any fear.

My method isn't pure organic growing (most of the time). The hardliners around here will tell you this is all wrong. Buuuut... it ain't. -not if you're purely interested in results vs. clique approval, anyway. You'll get synthetic nute output while keeping organic taste. Go ahead and switch to 100% organics about 2.5 weeks before harvest (paying special attention to the bacteria population). Then, flush for the last week with plain water. Your buds will be fat n' heavy as well as clean as a whistle.

Dig it.



No problem, mon.

hey thanks again man, but how do I pay special attention to my micro organism poplations is there any way to really do that I do wanna go all organic tho and I plan to stay dedicated to organic til I get the hang of it enough to rn a chemical vs organic grow for my own experiments

 

[pray4pistils]

I just instructed you on bubbling your own organic teas. Add that stuff to your pots or reservoir. Your micros will thrive. Since that's true you'll be able to feed organic nutes which is the whole point of this thread. Alternate with FloraNova Bloom (pH'd solution) and you're guaranteed to produce. Just watch out for salt build ups/flush periodically and all will be good.

 

[Trillyen]

I just instructed you on bubbling your own organic teas. Add that stuff to your pots or reservoir. Your micros will thrive. Since that's true you'll be able to feed organic nutes which is the whole point of this thread. Alternate with FloraNova Bloom (pH'd solution) and you're guaranteed to produce. Just watch out for salt build ups/flush periodically and all will be good.

ohh yeah no doubt u have been a big help and i appreciate that man, but im just not up for bubbling a new tea for my hydro grow every 24 hours thats just to much for me right now, but yeah maybe if i was retired, i mean there is no way u can get the same micro organisms to live in the water for a week at a time right???

i change my water one time a week faithfully but to do it everyday there is no way,

is there a way to do it to where u dont have to change out the water everyday

am i missing something cause what i have tooken in it seems to me and from my expierence that if u use the recommended dose to a hydro organic grow, there is no way to test for ph, and the water just gets to damn nasty

i added the stuff just like it said and it was just crazy how BAD it affected my plants it KILLED 2 of them

any way i gotta do some more reseacrh as u can see i havent got a chance to do ANY reading this weekend how ever i did get some long NEEDED supplies!!!

 

[pray4pistils]

im just not up for bubbling a new tea for my hydro grow every 24 hours thats just to much for me right now

I didn't say that you had to add the tea every day. What I said was that you shouldn't brew for longer than 24 hours. Adding it once or twice a week should be fine. Bubbling teas is seriously easy, though. you just chuck the ingredients into a bucket, drop in the air stone, and leave it for a day. It takes 5 minutes and then you walk away. It's a great idea to keep the aeration going 24/7 in your nute reservoir, too. All it takes is a $20 aquarium pump, an air hose, and a stone. Easy.

i change my water one time a week faithfully but to do it everyday there is no way,

Continue with this exchange schedule. It's fine. You are adding back pH'd water as the levels drop, though, right?

am i missing something cause what i have tooken in it seems to me and from my expierence that if u use the recommended dose to a hydro organic grow, there is no way to test for ph, and the water just gets to damn nasty

I don't know what you mean. Testing pH is as simple as dipping a meter into the water and taking a reading. What's this about "recommended dose"? Whose recommendation are you following and what nutes are you using? Also, your photos indicate that you're growing in DWC or ebb & flow as well as in coco or soil. Please explain what you're actually up to. Also, are you using the same formulas and such with both grows?

i added the stuff just like it said and it was just crazy how BAD it affected my plants it KILLED 2 of them

You added what stuff and in what concentration? Are you following a label blindly? Or, are you taking your particular strain's needs into consideration? Are you keeping environmental conditions in mind on an ongoing basis?

Furthermore, what specifically happened to the plants? Do you know how to read your girls for the various deficiencies, lock outs, and overdoses? If so, what did you see? I'll bet that you used nutes in a way that might make sense individually (in ideal environmental conditions) but was incorrect/incompatible when used together. We've all done that before. Learning means finding your mistake, though, -not blaming the instructions or the chemicals, etc.

any way i gotta do some more reseacrh as u can see i havent got a chance to do ANY reading this weekend

Yeah, you really need to learn the tech before you change up your gardening methods. Otherwise, you're just groping around in the dark -a sure recipe for disaster.

how ever i did get some long NEEDED supplies!!!

I hope a pH pen and nute strength meter were part of that supply list. Once again, I recommend that you mix organic and partial organic nutes (e.g. FloraNova Bloom) until you get the organic bit mastered (or even after if you appreciate the advantages that I've mentioned).

 

[est1977]

ohh yeah no doubt u have been a big help and i appreciate that man, but im just not up for bubbling a new tea for my hydro grow every 24 hours thats just to much for me right now, but yeah maybe if i was retired, i mean there is no way u can get the same micro organisms to live in the water for a week at a time right???

i change my water one time a week faithfully but to do it everyday there is no way,

is there a way to do it to where u dont have to change out the water everyday

am i missing something cause what i have tooken in it seems to me and from my expierence that if u use the recommended dose to a hydro organic grow, there is no way to test for ph, and the water just gets to damn nasty

i added the stuff just like it said and it was just crazy how BAD it affected my plants it KILLED 2 of them

any way i gotta do some more reseacrh as u can see i havent got a chance to do ANY reading this weekend how ever i did get some long NEEDED supplies!!!

Try a product call Oregpnism it is benifecial bacteria its like 20.00 a jar buy some add some to your res. it is full of microbes and excellent for your roots im using it in my Dwc.

 

[osirica420]

Sup Bro, I recommend Thalassa Mix its some of the best stuff out for organic hydro with a little bit of liquid guano, its the best combo for organic hydro IMO..
(http://www.organaponics.com/organa_guano.htm) both are omri organic and very clean to work with..

If don't mind a tiny bit of refined minerals use Floranova or PBP ..
I recommend sea-90(cheaper sea minerals) or thalassa mix(sea mineral compost tea) at 1500ppm and PBP no higher then 600ppm.

The sea minerals and thalassa mix can be bought online...

Here are some thalassa + PBP plants